Comments on: DON’T SHOOT HIM…HE’S ONLY THE TRAINERDon’t blame training staff for growing injured list

By: 19 ISLE in NJ 22

19 ISLE in NJ 22 — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:01:24 +0000

I think there is plenty of blame to go around for the injuries the last few years … as some have said some are unfortunate collision or incidental injuries caused by another player. I think the ice also contributes … Exibit A: Sim’s season ending injury during the second home game last year.

I think the trainers are responsible for the strength conditioning and limber range of the player … groin pulls shouldn’t be as common as they were with the Isles … I also think the trainers should know each player’s threshold and detect when a player isn’t 100%.

The management / coaching “may be” rushing players back before they’re ready … and I think the players also try to hard to get back before they’re good to go.

Gordo’s hyper speed system has to push the players’ bodies to the limit. Fatigue is one of the biggest reasons for injury.

Hockey players are competitive by nature … they always want to be on the ice … leaving the decision up to them is just wrong.

There … I pretty much blamed everyone but the ice girls … hey … come to think of it … didn’t DP have a run in with an ice girl last season when he tripped over the flag after coming out on the ice after being named star of the game?

OK … now I’ve officially blamed everyone except CB & Logan

By: mw147

mw147 — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:21:53 +0000

OK, let’s say that the amazing number of injuries the past 2 seasons are not due to poor work by the trainers. I am not inside and cannot argue this point.
But is it something else? It seems hard to believe that it is just coincidence. Others have speculated about other possibilities.
Bad ice? The same injury prone players getting hurt over and over again (eg. Martinek)? Bad management in regard to rehab and return time? Something else?

I would appreciate a little more on this subject. Thanks.

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:52:31 +0000

I did mention the trainers in one of my comments. But I really didn’t think they were to blame, BUT it’s good to check.

I’m also not a big fan of Snow, he’s seems like he’s not a very a good GM, so to be honest if there’s something I can pin on him, I will. He doesn’t seem to have a concrete grasp of the job as of yet. But he’s still a prospect trying to learn the pro game. He has an MBA, so I’m hopeful in 3-5 years he can be a Top 6 GM. Until then I’ll probably want him fired & will continue blame him for everything. Besides Wang refuses to hold himself accountable for anything OR step in front of TV camera to answer HOCKEY questions, at least Snow acknowledges the Isles are a disaster, with the term “Youth Movement”; which means “God-forsaken mess” in GM speak.

By: Gary

Gary — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:22 +0000

Back in the days of Ron Waske and when Laura Stramm was training guys like Nysrtom and others how to “Power Skate” I don’t remember seeing “groin pulls” like they have now. That’s when we were winning Stanley Cups!!! How about when The “Wolfman” Kenny Morrow had arthroscopic surgery on his knee in between two Stanley Cup playoff games and never missed a game. That was then and this is now.
I’ll take THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“nuff” said

By: limberpete

limberpete — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:35:21 +0000

Good point TP. CB — do you have any info on that incident?

By: TP

TP — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:03 +0000

Disagree CB. The training staff is as incompetent as the owner, management and players. Two words, KEVIN COLLEY. He had a broken neck and the trainers didn’t even take him off on a stretcher. They’re clueless as most of this organization is. (All these injuries this season and last happen for a reason)

By: Dan from Westchester

Dan from Westchester — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:02:49 +0000

CB,
Can we ask Timms, Gato and Schwarz if they have EVER seen a team so snakebitten with injuries?

Thanks

By: Marc

Marc — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:40:22 +0000

Disclaimer: I’ve never met any of the training staff. If I’m lucky, I only get to visit LI once a year. So what I have to say isn’t personal.

That said: Ryan (16)… Nobody in their right mind SHOULD actually try and blame the training staff for many of the injuries the Islanders have suffered. Unfortunately, I don’t believe a filter that would block those not in their right mind from posting here has been created yet, so this is what we get. Lots of people who just need something to bitch about.

Seriously, Sutton’s “unknown hand” injury was a concern? Maybe because we weren’t exactly clear on the nature of it, but how the hell is a hand injury something the training staff could have prevented? And, yeah, the ice @ NVMC caused Thompson’s injury – while he was playing in Columbus.

Maybe – just maybe – the Islanders continue to be bitten by injuries at such a pace because they’re simply not big and strong enough to absorb the punishment of professional hockey – no matter who’s coaching them and in what “system”. Anybody gonna deny the Isles are about as small and fragile as a professional hockey team could be? The smaller and, thus, more fragile you are, the more injury prone you just might be. And that won’t change until they get different players.

Some guys are just plain injury prone, and injuries can happen to anyone – especially when someone’s looking to decapitate you. Ted was right: it’s a collision sport, and that’s just the way it goes sometimes. Nick (28) also has a point re: the player’s role in when he gets back on the ice, so let’s back off the training staff just a bit.

Sorry, CB, for the excess words, but this sort of thing drives me nuts.

By: Nick

Nick — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:15:47 +0000

UIF, you’re right. I hope they now understand that it’s a pattern of behavior and are extra cautious. With DP, however, it was different injuries, so you really never know. At this point I don’t want to see him here until after the all-star break. Let him get himself in game shape, send him to Bridgeport to get back into stopping pucks, and then bring him back.

By: Beef

Beef — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:05:19 +0000

Seanie had you beat on the court anyway!

By: UIF

UIF — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:04:29 +0000

I’m certainly no doctor, but if my shoulder is badly hurt, I will not be able to rotate it without showing some sign of pain or discomfort. There are also timetables to follow for certain injuries, which the Islanders seem to regularly ignore…amazing how all of their players are always “well ahead of schedule.” Look, I’d agree with you, Nick, if this was an occassional thing. But it’s happened EVERY time DP has been hurt, and with others as well. Heck, earlier this year he was rushed back when it was clear he could not even play. Who clears him for that? It was obvious to all of us and every journalist, but not to the training staff?

By: Willis

Willis — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:57:25 +0000

That’s basically what I was going to say, Nick. It’s quite possible, even probable that these guys lie (cover it up) sometimes about an injury just because they want to play. In addition, when they are out they miss playing and want to get back as quickly as possible. So another opportunity for them to tell the staff they are doing “great!” when they really aren’t. Sometimes they think playing thru it will not damage it further but ….dun dun dun…sometimes they’re wrong.

Thanks for the info CB.

When I read yesterday’s article, my first thought wasn’t about the trainers. LOL, I thought “what is going on in that house?”. Isn’t it Gervais, Okposo, Bailey and Thompson who are sharing a house? Or am I wrong and its a different combo. Anyway my first reaction was too much rough housing over there, they are killing each other. (by the way, I KNOW that’s not the reason for the injuries, no need to set me straight people). LOL