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		<title>By: Tom in FL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Caps rebuild really started in 2001 and 2002 with trading Bondra, Jagr, Gonchar, Robert Lang, Nylander, Brendan Witt, etc. Sure, Ovechkin was lucky, but Malkin was there otherwise. The secret of the 2004 draft wasn&#039;t just Ovechkin, but Jeff Schultz and Mike Green at the end of Round 1 from Boston and Detroit picks. Brendan Witt turned into our top young golaie, Simeon Varlamov, who beat the Habs last week. How about 2002 draft? Three first rounders - Steve Eminger, Alexander Semin and Boyd Gordon. Eminger was traded, but that turned into top D prospect John Carlson of the London Knights. Check the 2002 and 2004 drafts and you&#039;ll see how McPhee plucked contributorss in the middle and back of the first round, where other teams&#039; picks are still in the minors. And the crowning achievement was getting Fedorov to conclude the process - you&#039;ve now brought in a vet to compliment all the younger players. For sure, there was some luck with Ovechkin, but all the rest of it was due to hard work and great decisions on who to draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Caps rebuild really started in 2001 and 2002 with trading Bondra, Jagr, Gonchar, Robert Lang, Nylander, Brendan Witt, etc. Sure, Ovechkin was lucky, but Malkin was there otherwise. The secret of the 2004 draft wasn&#8217;t just Ovechkin, but Jeff Schultz and Mike Green at the end of Round 1 from Boston and Detroit picks. Brendan Witt turned into our top young golaie, Simeon Varlamov, who beat the Habs last week. How about 2002 draft? Three first rounders &#8211; Steve Eminger, Alexander Semin and Boyd Gordon. Eminger was traded, but that turned into top D prospect John Carlson of the London Knights. Check the 2002 and 2004 drafts and you&#8217;ll see how McPhee plucked contributorss in the middle and back of the first round, where other teams&#8217; picks are still in the minors. And the crowning achievement was getting Fedorov to conclude the process &#8211; you&#8217;ve now brought in a vet to compliment all the younger players. For sure, there was some luck with Ovechkin, but all the rest of it was due to hard work and great decisions on who to draft.</p>
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		<title>By: DP's Hip</title>
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		<dc:creator>DP's Hip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if long, but it&#039;s an important thought to get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if long, but it&#8217;s an important thought to get out.</p>
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		<title>By: DP's Hip</title>
		<link>http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2008/12/how-george-mcphee-executed-his-plancaps-gm-shares-4-year-vision-as-ovie-stars-in-ot/#comment-13734</link>
		<dc:creator>DP's Hip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I can.....

The recipe for success.as a fan is the following:

DEMAND QUALITY and if the quality is not there you STOP GOING TO GAMES.

The drafting of Bailey? Nice, if we had a deep farm, but we drafted Bailey in order to draft two more guys (Petrov was already ours as we got the Edmonton/Anaheim pick earlier) who look like role players, maybe better. We needed a &quot;build around&quot; guy to get this team somewhere, a &quot;Potvin, Bossy or Trottier&quot; like punch. We opted not to and have further stocked our farm with potential second liners (first liners on a bad team).

So we absolutely need a few star players in our system. THAT is why Washington is better now, not because they built with kids, but they built with THE RIGHT KIDS.

So many times we go after vanilla or way out there flavors (Oleg?) to build around and end up right back to square one. Snow decided to start fresh, with kids......like Oleg, the Redwood defense, Connolly, Yashin/Peca, Smyth, Grit, Run and Gun, Yashin captaincy, &quot;Ted Nolan type players&quot; and every other annual or semi-annual rebuild/retool plan.

Our plans are just not well thought out and the only time we were surefootedon a plan was under Milbury, but one time the owners gutted and another time we had to modify the game to match Toronto&#039;s.

Perhaps someone told Milbury he wanted these changes? Just like a smart on paper team was disintigrated to please an ownership group?

And maybe the common thread throughout these myriad of bad retoolings is the ownership meddling?

Just a thought. And thus, the bad decisions are rewarded when people pay to watch the game.

One time, Wings fans stopped going. It was the mid to late eighties. Ownership got the message and scouting was improved, management was improved, coaching was improved and voila! The team improved. Ilitch was and is proud of his team (and during his building of a great team, he bettered the Joe Louis Arena, bought surrounding properties and made real estate moneys and for this strategy, became a fan hero who is to date ADORED!).

Mr. Botta, I would love to have seen you compare us to the lame duck Detroit Red Wings of the early Yzerman era and the fan support that was won back by a smart and CARING ownership.

Pizza Pizza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can&#8230;..</p>
<p>The recipe for success.as a fan is the following:</p>
<p>DEMAND QUALITY and if the quality is not there you STOP GOING TO GAMES.</p>
<p>The drafting of Bailey? Nice, if we had a deep farm, but we drafted Bailey in order to draft two more guys (Petrov was already ours as we got the Edmonton/Anaheim pick earlier) who look like role players, maybe better. We needed a &#8220;build around&#8221; guy to get this team somewhere, a &#8220;Potvin, Bossy or Trottier&#8221; like punch. We opted not to and have further stocked our farm with potential second liners (first liners on a bad team).</p>
<p>So we absolutely need a few star players in our system. THAT is why Washington is better now, not because they built with kids, but they built with THE RIGHT KIDS.</p>
<p>So many times we go after vanilla or way out there flavors (Oleg?) to build around and end up right back to square one. Snow decided to start fresh, with kids&#8230;&#8230;like Oleg, the Redwood defense, Connolly, Yashin/Peca, Smyth, Grit, Run and Gun, Yashin captaincy, &#8220;Ted Nolan type players&#8221; and every other annual or semi-annual rebuild/retool plan.</p>
<p>Our plans are just not well thought out and the only time we were surefootedon a plan was under Milbury, but one time the owners gutted and another time we had to modify the game to match Toronto&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Perhaps someone told Milbury he wanted these changes? Just like a smart on paper team was disintigrated to please an ownership group?</p>
<p>And maybe the common thread throughout these myriad of bad retoolings is the ownership meddling?</p>
<p>Just a thought. And thus, the bad decisions are rewarded when people pay to watch the game.</p>
<p>One time, Wings fans stopped going. It was the mid to late eighties. Ownership got the message and scouting was improved, management was improved, coaching was improved and voila! The team improved. Ilitch was and is proud of his team (and during his building of a great team, he bettered the Joe Louis Arena, bought surrounding properties and made real estate moneys and for this strategy, became a fan hero who is to date ADORED!).</p>
<p>Mr. Botta, I would love to have seen you compare us to the lame duck Detroit Red Wings of the early Yzerman era and the fan support that was won back by a smart and CARING ownership.</p>
<p>Pizza Pizza.</p>
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		<title>By: Murshawursha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murshawursha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Strummer:
Freddie Meyer, according to NHL.com is 5&#039;10&quot; and 192 pounds. Ovechkin is listed at 6&#039;2&quot;, 220 pounds. That&#039;s 4 inches and almost 30 pounds, which means that if Meyer tries to step up on Ovechkin, Ovechkin is going to plow straight through him and score anyway, especially with the head of steam he had built up compared to Meyer being flat-footed. It&#039;s simple physics.

Meyer did do a good job shadowing Ovechkin all night. But on that play, there was absolutely nothing he could do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Strummer:<br />
Freddie Meyer, according to NHL.com is 5&#8217;10&#8243; and 192 pounds. Ovechkin is listed at 6&#8217;2&#8243;, 220 pounds. That&#8217;s 4 inches and almost 30 pounds, which means that if Meyer tries to step up on Ovechkin, Ovechkin is going to plow straight through him and score anyway, especially with the head of steam he had built up compared to Meyer being flat-footed. It&#8217;s simple physics.</p>
<p>Meyer did do a good job shadowing Ovechkin all night. But on that play, there was absolutely nothing he could do.</p>
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		<title>By: The Peerless</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Peerless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Caps season ticket holder since before the rebuild, I can vouch for the rough times you folks are going to see.  You&#039;ll probably see three categories of players over the next few years -- the &quot;revolving door&quot; type who come in for a year and then leave; the &quot;last days&quot; players like Weight, Guerin, and Witt, who will not be a part of the better days you&#039;ll see ahead; and the &quot;core&quot; players around which you&#039;ll build a team. 

The Caps assembled that last group with Ovechkin as the cornerstone, but also drafted Alexander Semin, Nicklas Backstrom, and Mike Green (referred to as the &quot;young guns&quot; in these parts).  Add to that a young goalie -- Simeon Varlamov, who won his NHL debut in Montreal last weekend, but who probably isn&#039;t going to be a regular for a couple of years yet -- and that is the core that the Caps will move forward with.  McPhee also sold off a lot of high-priced talent to get contributors -- Green was a pick in a trade of Robert Lang, a trade that also netted prospect Tomas Fleischmann.  Moving Sergei Gonchar returned Shaone Morrisonn and a pick that became jeff Schultz.  Brooks Laich was a prospect that came in a trade of Peter Bondra.  Varlamov was the pick that the Caps got for Brendan Witt when he was traded to Nashville.

The players who fill those roles with the Islanders are the ones you should be paying attention to, even as they have their rough spots this year or next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Caps season ticket holder since before the rebuild, I can vouch for the rough times you folks are going to see.  You&#8217;ll probably see three categories of players over the next few years &#8212; the &#8220;revolving door&#8221; type who come in for a year and then leave; the &#8220;last days&#8221; players like Weight, Guerin, and Witt, who will not be a part of the better days you&#8217;ll see ahead; and the &#8220;core&#8221; players around which you&#8217;ll build a team. </p>
<p>The Caps assembled that last group with Ovechkin as the cornerstone, but also drafted Alexander Semin, Nicklas Backstrom, and Mike Green (referred to as the &#8220;young guns&#8221; in these parts).  Add to that a young goalie &#8212; Simeon Varlamov, who won his NHL debut in Montreal last weekend, but who probably isn&#8217;t going to be a regular for a couple of years yet &#8212; and that is the core that the Caps will move forward with.  McPhee also sold off a lot of high-priced talent to get contributors &#8212; Green was a pick in a trade of Robert Lang, a trade that also netted prospect Tomas Fleischmann.  Moving Sergei Gonchar returned Shaone Morrisonn and a pick that became jeff Schultz.  Brooks Laich was a prospect that came in a trade of Peter Bondra.  Varlamov was the pick that the Caps got for Brendan Witt when he was traded to Nashville.</p>
<p>The players who fill those roles with the Islanders are the ones you should be paying attention to, even as they have their rough spots this year or next.</p>
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		<title>By: NYCIslanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYCIslanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:Comment 19.  The Islanders didn&#039;t commit to a rebuilding plan until they realized that big-name free agents would not sign here even if Wang made them the highest offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:Comment 19.  The Islanders didn&#8217;t commit to a rebuilding plan until they realized that big-name free agents would not sign here even if Wang made them the highest offer.</p>
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		<title>By: the bomber</title>
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		<dc:creator>the bomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, rich pilon is the answer, he was so quick im sure he&#039;d have knocked ovechkin right on his butt.
  
he mustve got lessons from you as to how easy it is....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, rich pilon is the answer, he was so quick im sure he&#8217;d have knocked ovechkin right on his butt.</p>
<p>he mustve got lessons from you as to how easy it is&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: UIF</title>
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		<dc:creator>UIF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleury&#039;s got the tools, Matt.  That can&#039;t be denied.  There aren&#039;t many quicker than he is.  I won&#039;t be surprised if he does put it all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleury&#8217;s got the tools, Matt.  That can&#8217;t be denied.  There aren&#8217;t many quicker than he is.  I won&#8217;t be surprised if he does put it all together.</p>
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		<title>By: nightfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying &quot;they got lucky&quot; with Ovechkin or Crosby really misses the point.  Not everybody who&#039;s that lucky makes those picks.  How &quot;lucky&quot; were the Islanders getting three top-ten choices in 1999?  Connolly, Pyatt, Mezei.  Good night nurse.  They took Dave freakin&#039; Czychowski second in &#039;89, Scott Scissons sixth in &#039;90...  You&#039;d cry if you saw a list of the players they left on the board during the past twenty years while they were screwing up, to say nothing of the list of players the Isles HIT on in the first round whom they then piddled away.

The Isles have actually picked BETTER in the lower rounds than in the first for about the last twenty years - Ziggy and Comeau were twos, Neilsen and Chara were threes; they got good service out of Tommy Salo (a five), Campoli (a seven), and Martinek (eight).

The point is, you have to know what to do with that pick when you&#039;ve got it, and you can&#039;t flub it (Alexander Daigle) or give up early (Roberto Luongo).

They could have held onto Luongo, drafted Heatley or Gaborik instead, kept them with Olli Jokinen...  NO, I promised myself not to.  #$%#$T%%^~!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8220;they got lucky&#8221; with Ovechkin or Crosby really misses the point.  Not everybody who&#8217;s that lucky makes those picks.  How &#8220;lucky&#8221; were the Islanders getting three top-ten choices in 1999?  Connolly, Pyatt, Mezei.  Good night nurse.  They took Dave freakin&#8217; Czychowski second in &#8217;89, Scott Scissons sixth in &#8217;90&#8230;  You&#8217;d cry if you saw a list of the players they left on the board during the past twenty years while they were screwing up, to say nothing of the list of players the Isles HIT on in the first round whom they then piddled away.</p>
<p>The Isles have actually picked BETTER in the lower rounds than in the first for about the last twenty years &#8211; Ziggy and Comeau were twos, Neilsen and Chara were threes; they got good service out of Tommy Salo (a five), Campoli (a seven), and Martinek (eight).</p>
<p>The point is, you have to know what to do with that pick when you&#8217;ve got it, and you can&#8217;t flub it (Alexander Daigle) or give up early (Roberto Luongo).</p>
<p>They could have held onto Luongo, drafted Heatley or Gaborik instead, kept them with Olli Jokinen&#8230;  NO, I promised myself not to.  #$%#$T%%^~!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotcha, just looks like Fluery is a keeper and will probably in my opinion get better.  I agree that there is a lot of &quot;stroking&quot; that goes on with Pitts suck to get good model.  Just think Fluery is  a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotcha, just looks like Fluery is a keeper and will probably in my opinion get better.  I agree that there is a lot of &#8220;stroking&#8221; that goes on with Pitts suck to get good model.  Just think Fluery is  a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: UIF</title>
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		<dc:creator>UIF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, first of all, wrt our first overall, you won&#039;t hear me singing the praises of our front office at the time either, haha.  Secondly, Cam Ward won a cup, and has a better resume too.  I still don&#039;t think he&#039;s an elite goalie by any stretch of the imagination...maybe not even a very good goalie.  I think that draft year, when the first choice maybe wasn&#039;t so obvious, is a better indicator and more telling than having Sidney Crosby fall out of the sky and into Pitt&#039;s lap.  Again, I admit a lot of my opinion is based on simple annoyance at the constant, non-stop Pitt ego stroking that&#039;s gone on in all corners of hockey ever since Sid entered the league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first of all, wrt our first overall, you won&#8217;t hear me singing the praises of our front office at the time either, haha.  Secondly, Cam Ward won a cup, and has a better resume too.  I still don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s an elite goalie by any stretch of the imagination&#8230;maybe not even a very good goalie.  I think that draft year, when the first choice maybe wasn&#8217;t so obvious, is a better indicator and more telling than having Sidney Crosby fall out of the sky and into Pitt&#8217;s lap.  Again, I admit a lot of my opinion is based on simple annoyance at the constant, non-stop Pitt ego stroking that&#8217;s gone on in all corners of hockey ever since Sid entered the league.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UIF, I think everybody understands that Pittsburgh got lucky.  I know that was a good draft class that year but I don&#039;t think Pitt did a bad job.  They wanted a goaltender obviously and they got one who took them to the stanley cup finals.  I know he was injured earlier in the season but he played the playoffs.  Its not a matter of whether you are sold on him or not.  The guy has a better resume now than the guy we chose first overall to be our #1 goaltender in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UIF, I think everybody understands that Pittsburgh got lucky.  I know that was a good draft class that year but I don&#8217;t think Pitt did a bad job.  They wanted a goaltender obviously and they got one who took them to the stanley cup finals.  I know he was injured earlier in the season but he played the playoffs.  Its not a matter of whether you are sold on him or not.  The guy has a better resume now than the guy we chose first overall to be our #1 goaltender in my opinion.</p>
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