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	<title>Comments on: HEY, YOU KNOW THAT STORY I POSTED ABOUT DUBIE 10 MINUTES AGO? SCRATCH THAT.</title>
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		<title>By: OtherKevin</title>
		<link>http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/01/hey-you-know-that-story-i-posted-about-dubie-10-minutes-ago-scratch-that/#comment-21794</link>
		<dc:creator>OtherKevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were in your shoes, I&#039;d be p/o&#039;d too.  But there are a few points to clarify.  Yes, Columbus was playing by the rules.  By those same rules, I don&#039;t think that Mats Sundin had to deal with this rule because he didn&#039;t play in another league while he was off.

Two, Columbus only had one NHL goalie prior to claiming Dubie.  Leclaire hasn&#039;t played since November and it recently came out that he has an ankle injury.  He is now on IR and will likely have season-ending surgery to repair the injury, so CBJ needed some sort of backup to Mason.

On the bright side, unless Leclaire suffers serious complications Dubie will be available at the end of the season.  Assuming that NYI find a solution to their goalie dilemma, they probably won&#039;t want him then.

Next, it is very unlikely that this was part of some sort of scheme to extract something extra in a trade with NYI.  Why?  Because Columbus needs a goalie.  Also, all those Doug Weight rumors have pretty much died off, and the team has said that they&#039;re no longer interested in him.  Comrie might be interesting, but we&#039;d still need another goalie and we&#039;d also have to trade a prospect to get him.  That seems unlikely since our current prospects are doing so well and we need them for a playoff push.

Howson&#039;s strategy has been (and supposedly will be) to continue to pick up players where possible without touching prospects.  He&#039;s basically looking to trade picks and AHL players.  Unless the NYI are willing to take a pick or two for Comrie (and I don&#039;t see it), it&#039;s not going to happen.

Finally, to whoever said that NYI should sign Nash when he makes it to FA, keep dreaming.  Nash will not make it to FA.  He and Howson have both stated their intentions to sign a long term contract as soon as possible.  Unfortunately, the first day that they&#039;re allowed to sign the new contract (per the CBA) is July 1 2009, so there has been a lot of rumor and speculation about Nash in the meantime.  But Nash and Howson said that they BOTH expect a deal to be done on July 1.  In the strange case that Nash WOULDN&#039;T want to sign with Columbus, he&#039;s still under contract until the end of the 2010 season and does not have a no-trade clause.  Because he&#039;s worth so much Howson would trade him long before he made it to FA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were in your shoes, I&#8217;d be p/o&#8217;d too.  But there are a few points to clarify.  Yes, Columbus was playing by the rules.  By those same rules, I don&#8217;t think that Mats Sundin had to deal with this rule because he didn&#8217;t play in another league while he was off.</p>
<p>Two, Columbus only had one NHL goalie prior to claiming Dubie.  Leclaire hasn&#8217;t played since November and it recently came out that he has an ankle injury.  He is now on IR and will likely have season-ending surgery to repair the injury, so CBJ needed some sort of backup to Mason.</p>
<p>On the bright side, unless Leclaire suffers serious complications Dubie will be available at the end of the season.  Assuming that NYI find a solution to their goalie dilemma, they probably won&#8217;t want him then.</p>
<p>Next, it is very unlikely that this was part of some sort of scheme to extract something extra in a trade with NYI.  Why?  Because Columbus needs a goalie.  Also, all those Doug Weight rumors have pretty much died off, and the team has said that they&#8217;re no longer interested in him.  Comrie might be interesting, but we&#8217;d still need another goalie and we&#8217;d also have to trade a prospect to get him.  That seems unlikely since our current prospects are doing so well and we need them for a playoff push.</p>
<p>Howson&#8217;s strategy has been (and supposedly will be) to continue to pick up players where possible without touching prospects.  He&#8217;s basically looking to trade picks and AHL players.  Unless the NYI are willing to take a pick or two for Comrie (and I don&#8217;t see it), it&#8217;s not going to happen.</p>
<p>Finally, to whoever said that NYI should sign Nash when he makes it to FA, keep dreaming.  Nash will not make it to FA.  He and Howson have both stated their intentions to sign a long term contract as soon as possible.  Unfortunately, the first day that they&#8217;re allowed to sign the new contract (per the CBA) is July 1 2009, so there has been a lot of rumor and speculation about Nash in the meantime.  But Nash and Howson said that they BOTH expect a deal to be done on July 1.  In the strange case that Nash WOULDN&#8217;T want to sign with Columbus, he&#8217;s still under contract until the end of the 2010 season and does not have a no-trade clause.  Because he&#8217;s worth so much Howson would trade him long before he made it to FA.</p>
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		<title>By: isles316</title>
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		<dc:creator>isles316</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trevor the Isles have never been in position to draft a player like Tavares in a long time. I dont even think we can screw that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trevor the Isles have never been in position to draft a player like Tavares in a long time. I dont even think we can screw that up.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to sound like a troll, as this is the first time I&#039;ve ever been here (This blog is in the Sports tab on Fark) and I&#039;m not an Isles fan (instead I&#039;m a fan of another rather pathetic team, Toronto) but this whole Tavheduch express I&#039;ve seen mentioned should be taken with a grain of salt; should it not?

By this I mean that the Islanders franchise seems always end up trading away any players that look like they&#039;ll develop into elite players (Rick DiPietro excepted, then again it&#039;s debatable whether he&#039;s elite).  Granted the Leafs are probably the worst team in the NHL when it comes to drafting and developing young players.


If anybody is offended or seething with anger, I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound like a troll, as this is the first time I&#8217;ve ever been here (This blog is in the Sports tab on Fark) and I&#8217;m not an Isles fan (instead I&#8217;m a fan of another rather pathetic team, Toronto) but this whole Tavheduch express I&#8217;ve seen mentioned should be taken with a grain of salt; should it not?</p>
<p>By this I mean that the Islanders franchise seems always end up trading away any players that look like they&#8217;ll develop into elite players (Rick DiPietro excepted, then again it&#8217;s debatable whether he&#8217;s elite).  Granted the Leafs are probably the worst team in the NHL when it comes to drafting and developing young players.</p>
<p>If anybody is offended or seething with anger, I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as long as those games were against devs and rags i would have been fine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as those games were against devs and rags i would have been fine</p>
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		<title>By: Matt King Isles 13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt King Isles 13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank god dubie got claimed. he would have won some games for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank god dubie got claimed. he would have won some games for us.</p>
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		<title>By: lox</title>
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		<dc:creator>lox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is for real a shame that reality has killed that dubie-story. it was the funniest and best I&#039;ve read for a long time.

Anyway, I hope this guy will make his way to the allstar game 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is for real a shame that reality has killed that dubie-story. it was the funniest and best I&#8217;ve read for a long time.</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope this guy will make his way to the allstar game 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Malurous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malurous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everyone who wonders about the rule requiring professional league players to pass through waivers when signing with an NHL team mid-season:

I&#039;ll clarify this here since I didn&#039;t see anyone else doing it and because of so many people calling it a &quot;stupid rule&quot;. Now I do think that a correction to the rule that would exempt the 30th place team of it would be a good idea, and some here only have a problem with that. Still, others question the rule itself, but it is there for a reason - especially in the cap era, although it&#039;s an older rule, having been around since the late 80s or early 90s.

Before the rule, teams were able to sign good players only for the playoffs or late in the season, which was ridiculously common at one point. At least the dynasty Oilers made a habit of this, Tikkanen in -85 maybe the most high profile (even though not egregious) example. Players would play a full season in Europe and join an NHL team in time for the playoffs. This made it possible to either hoard good players or acquire depth cheaply. Of course this was made easier and more palatable to Euro teams because their seasons were shorter back then and therefore over by NHL playoffs. Also, there was no limit how late you could sign someone.

Then, coming back to present time, imagine how a team close to the cap could abuse this, especially with the current lack of transfer agreements. Just send a couple of midlevel players to the KHL, for instance, replace them with minimum salary guys for most of the season and sign them game-ready at the trade (and UFA signing) deadline when over three quarters of their salaries will have gone around the cap. Even with a transfer agreement, I&#039;m sure players could get an &quot;until the NHL deadline&quot; contract with crappy European teams, considering that European regular seasons are either over or only have a few games left at that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone who wonders about the rule requiring professional league players to pass through waivers when signing with an NHL team mid-season:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll clarify this here since I didn&#8217;t see anyone else doing it and because of so many people calling it a &#8220;stupid rule&#8221;. Now I do think that a correction to the rule that would exempt the 30th place team of it would be a good idea, and some here only have a problem with that. Still, others question the rule itself, but it is there for a reason &#8211; especially in the cap era, although it&#8217;s an older rule, having been around since the late 80s or early 90s.</p>
<p>Before the rule, teams were able to sign good players only for the playoffs or late in the season, which was ridiculously common at one point. At least the dynasty Oilers made a habit of this, Tikkanen in -85 maybe the most high profile (even though not egregious) example. Players would play a full season in Europe and join an NHL team in time for the playoffs. This made it possible to either hoard good players or acquire depth cheaply. Of course this was made easier and more palatable to Euro teams because their seasons were shorter back then and therefore over by NHL playoffs. Also, there was no limit how late you could sign someone.</p>
<p>Then, coming back to present time, imagine how a team close to the cap could abuse this, especially with the current lack of transfer agreements. Just send a couple of midlevel players to the KHL, for instance, replace them with minimum salary guys for most of the season and sign them game-ready at the trade (and UFA signing) deadline when over three quarters of their salaries will have gone around the cap. Even with a transfer agreement, I&#8217;m sure players could get an &#8220;until the NHL deadline&#8221; contract with crappy European teams, considering that European regular seasons are either over or only have a few games left at that point.</p>
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		<title>By: MJS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin #132 - That&#039;s actually an idea and I hope the team picks him up if he gets waived. Picking up all that salary would allow Weight to be moved without too much worry about the cap floor.  He&#039;s also a good pickup for the people that hope to see the team  descending rapidly as Gerber won&#039;t be stealing too many games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin #132 &#8211; That&#8217;s actually an idea and I hope the team picks him up if he gets waived. Picking up all that salary would allow Weight to be moved without too much worry about the cap floor.  He&#8217;s also a good pickup for the people that hope to see the team  descending rapidly as Gerber won&#8217;t be stealing too many games.</p>
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		<title>By: Drive45</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drive45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blessing in disguise.  Losing every game is a win.  It&#039;s not about this year.  It&#039;s about the number one pick, Tavares, and developing the young players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blessing in disguise.  Losing every game is a win.  It&#8217;s not about this year.  It&#8217;s about the number one pick, Tavares, and developing the young players.</p>
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		<title>By: FAN SINCE I WAS BORN</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAN SINCE I WAS BORN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typical this is the luck of the isle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typical this is the luck of the isle!</p>
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		<title>By: islestherapy</title>
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		<dc:creator>islestherapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems pretty obvious that CBJ&#039;s GM is tryin to force Snow&#039;s hand into a trade. They&#039;ve wanted Weight, and they figure this is a way to get him. But screw it ... if Snow goes for that, he&#039;s dumber than I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems pretty obvious that CBJ&#8217;s GM is tryin to force Snow&#8217;s hand into a trade. They&#8217;ve wanted Weight, and they figure this is a way to get him. But screw it &#8230; if Snow goes for that, he&#8217;s dumber than I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Randi*NYI*39</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randi*NYI*39</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got the netminder solution for tonights game... my 8 year old is all suited up in his NYI goalie gear and he is ready to guard the pipes tonight!  He has experience, skill, great eyes on the ice and iasn&#039;t on waivers so he&#039;s a free agent!  Plus, the NYI group is paying him in free burritos from the NYI game sponsor the Chipotle Grill! It&#039;s win-win!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got the netminder solution for tonights game&#8230; my 8 year old is all suited up in his NYI goalie gear and he is ready to guard the pipes tonight!  He has experience, skill, great eyes on the ice and iasn&#8217;t on waivers so he&#8217;s a free agent!  Plus, the NYI group is paying him in free burritos from the NYI game sponsor the Chipotle Grill! It&#8217;s win-win!</p>
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