CAMPOLI FOR A (LATE) FIRST-ROUNDER in 2009
A Review of today’s fascinating trade
Now that I’ve had two hours to digest it, here are a few thoughts on today’s deal that sent Chris Campoli and Mike Comrie to Ottawa for a 2009 first round pick (it is the San Jose selection) and Dean McAmmond.
1. This deal is Chris Campoli for a late first round pick. That is all it is. There is no need to complicate your judgment by looking at the other parts. Campoli for a late first round pick, likely in the 26-30 range. Do you like the deal or not?
2. My strong hunch is that Islanders GM Garth Snow told Ottawa counterpart Bryan Murray, “If you want to do this deal, you have to take back Mike Comrie.” For weeks the Islanders hoped to listen to offers for Comrie. There was little interest. After last night’s debacle when Comrie (and plenty of his teammates) had nothing in a 6-2 loss to Carolina, whatever trade value he might have had was gone. The Ottawa GM probably told Snow, “Okay, I’ll take Comrie but then you have to take McAmmond off my roster.” McAmmond - if he is not traded for a late round draft pick before March 4 - has a month to show the Islanders if he can be a good veteran leader for them.
3. One Campoli teammate confirmed for me earlier this evening that Chris asked the Islanders to trade him a few weeks ago. I don’t know the reasons for Campoli’s request, although one source described his relationship with coach Scott Gordon as “rocky.” I doubt very much that’s the whole story. I will say this: you don’t trade a 24-year old defenseman - even for a first round pick - if the head coach is telling the GM that the player is a perfect fit for his style of play. Funny how things work out. At the beginning of the season you would have thought Campoli’s play and Gordon’s system were a good match.
4. On a personal note, Chris Campoli is a terrific young man who gave up as much personal time as he had to promote the Islanders and help local charities. In a sport where most of the players are gold, Chris was a cut above. Chris is also known for his self-confidence. Some call it cockiness, but I believe you need it to go from 7th round pick to everyday NHLer. There is nothing wrong with his belief in himself. It seems to me he has high aspirations for bringing his NHL career to another level. Anyone who came in contact with him on the Island over the last few years no doubt is rooting for him.
5. In my first story announcing the trade, I gave the deal a B for the Islanders. Of course nothing has changed in the last two hours to want to alter it. Jack Hillen’s development can go a long way toward making the deal better. Even it means digging deep into dopey money, if the Islanders believe Long Islander Matt Gilroy is a top-5 defenseman they should make a big approach to sign him. But above all else, Ryan Jankowski and his merry band of Islanders scouts can’t mess up that late first round pick.
Late tonight: “TRUE VALUE: Chris Campoli,” written earlier today but never got a chance to post. Damn. Comments. Guidelines.
130 Responses to “CAMPOLI FOR A (LATE) FIRST-ROUNDER in 2009
A Review of today’s fascinating trade”
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Chris, I give the deal a B+. By making this deal, the Islanders are taking a chance they can turn this pick into a prospect with higher upside than Campoli or package it to move up higher into the first round. This is such the opposite of what Milbury would do (go with the sure thing) and I find this creative and refreshing.
CB, I’m sad to see Campoli go, but I think he was stuck in a rut as far development goes. I’m glad we got an extra first round pick.
Re: Comrie: Good riddance. Never should have been resigned at that price, IMHO. McAmmond is a nice veteran presence that could replace one or more of Guerin/Weight/Witt/Sillinger.
CB, I must say that it worries me that three players had problems with Gordon. Seems like the last two coaches have not been too popular. Does that worry you too?
I like the deal. Good riddance on Comrie, I want to know where I can get a job that pays 4 mil a year and not have to work for it.
Campoli, decent player, but hey you have to give up to get.
Some of my comments on the last thread might make it seem I wanted Campoli gone. It’s not that way at all.
I agree with CB, Comrie and McAmmond are a wash so it’s Campoli for a 1st Rounder.
If what a few others have said is true that the NHL “re-seeds” playoff teams by playoff finish, this pick could go as high as 20th or so. This is an excellent return for Campoli. He’s probably a #4 defenseman at best on this team.
Top 2 D have to be able to do it all (Streit).
You need 2 guys who are shutdown types (Witt and Sutton), and you need 2 guys that can do a little bit of both. Yes, Campoli had some offensive ability but I didn’t see enough of him on the defensive end.
To get a pick in the 1st Rounder, anywhere in the 1st Round for Campoli is a great by Snow in my book.
I wish Camps the best of luck in Ottawa
after it sunk in, I do like this deal. I will miss Campoli. I think he is a great guy. this will be good for him too. just look at the other ex-Islanders. He should win a cup now that he’s not here, or at least he will be a future Captain.
I also like the deal.
We have four picks in the top 37 of 50 in 2009.
We can flip the first rounder from SJ with someone on the roster (perhaps a stretch here) for a significant player.
We can move MacAmmond for whatever if he clearly doesn’t fit.
I liked Campoli and agree - he was a great kid. I met him three years ago during his rookie season and talked with him for about two hours about everything from why my arm was in a sling (shoulder surgery) to Long Island nightlife to golf at Bethpage Black. He was just a cool guy.
The Islanders are on the road to improvement through the draft - still a long ways away, but it’s getting better.
I just still think that this trade doesn’t make sense for ottawa. Is Campoli really that highly regarded to warrant a 1st round pick? I certainly don’t think so. And I certainly don’t think he’s better than Filip Kuba on Ottawa’s powerplay.
To me, for them to do this deal, they have to think that will get a high pick for Fisher and slot Comrie in on the 2nd line. I mean, Comrie’s going to get much less at the deadline than McAmmond, who’s just a cut below Silly in the face-off circle. Even with this, I still don’t like this logic.
Garth should be arrested for highway robbery. Agree?
Great move by the Isles, look if the guy isn’t happy he has to go. Campoli would have been a good 5 or 6 on a championship team. We can easily pick a guy up like that when we get there. GOD the Isles cant mess up this draft can they?
Give me a guy who is good on the ice over a guy who is good in the community. I’m sick of hearing how good these guys are in the community when they do nothing on the ice.
Chris any news on the Gilroy watch?
Clearly there has to be some extra thought there now right?
CB, Is the pick definitely in that range?? If San Jose loses in the first round of the playoffs, it’s in the 18-26 range right?
AM (#11),
Each round the teams that are bounced are seeded based upon their regular season finish.
Picks 1-14 non playoff teams
Picks 15-22 round 1 losers
Picks 23-26 round 2 losers
Picks 27-28 Conference Finals Losers
Pick 29 Stanley Cup Loser
Pick 30 Stanley Cup Winner
a C
Heres hoping San Jose gets knocked out in the first round
I like it. I have said it before anyone who doesn’t fit has to go for what value can be had. That is how you accelerate the rebuild. If Chris Campolli turns into Zach Kassian, Caron, Budaj or Taylor Doherty then SWEET! You couldn’t do that deal straight up.
Rooting against Ott and Toronto every game now.
Please Garth now move: Witt, Guerin, Weight, Hilbert, McAmmond, Geravis, Meyer, Pock and Sim.
mrlbem i didnt realize that was the case. so if the sharks were to lose in round one, we would likely be looking at pick #22? i guess we need to root against the sharks in the playoffs.
Campoli was real good friends with DP, how is this going to sit with the franchise
It’s entirely too early for anyone to say whether or not they like this deal. Let’s see who the Isles take with this pick before passing judgment.
CB:
I thought in the last 15-20 games that Campoli was playing terrific hockey, jumping into the play like he should and even filled in well for Streit on the PP the few games he was hurt. If the Ranger$ can get Zherdev for Tyutin, wouldnt you expect Snow could get more than a late 1st?
Bill Guerin is confusing me. I’d think he’d enjoy playing for a contender and earning playoff money he simply won’t here.
It seems obvious that for what ever reasons the Isles and he are parting after this season.
He has been loyal and positive to the organization but I would hope he’d want to go to a playoff team and allow the Isles to gain some assets RATHER then playing a few more meaningless games on the Island this year.
If he choses to stay knowing he won’t be resigned it doesn’t make much sense.
His play had dropped off dramatically and it seems like his heart and mind has already left the Isles.
This is an A. I dont know how anyone ranks it differently. Campoli is probably our 4th or 5th dman at the season opener this year. Streit, Sutton, Witt, Meyer, Martinek and Campoli. I think an argument could be made that Campoli was our 6th dman. For a 1st rounder? You have to be kidding. I dont care how old he is. His best year was his rookie year anyway, he hasnt developed since then.
Look no further then Okposo playing the point over Campoli. Nuff said….
Chris - do you know what the draft order rules are? do playoffs matter or is it purely regular season>?
I will say this about Camps. We met him twice and he is a terrific young man. Very respectful, approachable, and took time out to talk hockey with my son. Also, do not forget the many visits he made to local hospitals.
IMO– On the ice he was hot and cold (no pun). Streaky is the word. He a slight nasty edge which I liked. For whatever reason he wanted off the Island and that is a shame, but hopefully that’ll turn into a benefit long term for the Islanders.
I can only hope that when he returns for his 1st game as a Sen, the Islander fans did not boo him, but that’ll happen…..
Kevin Fitz #23—- Check out comment #12 for your answer.
I’m sad to see Campoli go and I hope he does well in Ottawa. Getting a #1 for Campoli is a pretty solid deal.
DC23 I don’t think Campolli was playing terrific hockey this year at all for even a full 60 minutes of a game. He has had his moments but they were too infrequent. This system should have been one he flourished in which tells me his potential has been maxed out. He wasn’t strong enough in his own zone and that resulted in many goals against and he couldn’t win the PP job.
Like I said ealier and is repeated here by another poster; Look at Okposo playing point on the PP to figure out why Campolli begged out.
Perhaps that’s the reason for the tension between play and coach or the result?
Either way I have to wonder if this trade put Gordon on notice. He just failed big time with a player he was brought in here to develop. If Campolli flouishes in Ottawa that’s not going to shine well on Gordon.
And I think Snow really went out on a limb here.
Given the possible draft position of San Jose I think we’ll be lucky if the pick ever sniffs NHL ice. I think the odds of that player ever making it to the NHL in that position drops significantly. And I highly doubt San Jose is gonna get knocked out in the first round.
Given the situation I think Snow got a decent return. Overall, looks like the drama continues on Long Island.
I thought Gordon was here to transition to a youger team so it is disturbing to hear he could not get along with a 25 year old player.
Snow should have traded Gordon for a 5th round pick.
CB, is it fact that the draft order goes by how you finish in the playoffs ? If so, this could work out a lot better for the Isles because I think San Jose will be out quick again.
At first it didn’t seem like that great of a trade to me, but now that I think about it, it was worth it.
I’ll miss Campoli, but that 1st Round Pick is a very nice return.
And Comrie is gone! I’m just saying…
I just got to digest the trade too … and like it more that I have the details. When I pulled into my driveway I heard it on the radio and posted on here without all the facts … I liked CC … but if he wasn’t happy here … and not performing to his potential … then getting that 1st rounder IN THIS DEEP DRAFT … is a steal.
CB,
With the Campoli trade and all above mentioned about Hillen and Gillroy, do you think the Isles are in serious consideration for Hedman instead of Tavares? (If the lottery worked in their favor, of course)
Chicken, we’re talking about a first rounder here. Most of those guys are NHL players. COmeau was a 2nd rounder in a MUCH weaker draft. This draft is really strong in the first two rounds.
Shea Weber was a 2nd round pick! I am sure whoever the Isles select with this pick will have a MUCH greater impact then Campolli ever will. Here’s to hoping Geravis is in Snow’s office right now demanding a trade!
Not a bad deal. It comes down to what the Isles can make of the SJ 1st rounder.
Campoli will probably max out as a top four d-man and potentially 1st PP pairing. Would you trade that for a 1st round pick? It’s potentially a wash.
The hope here is the Isles use their (likely) top two pick to select one of Tavares or Hedman, and then use the #29-30 pick to take the best “opposite” player available (i.e. if they take Tavares, a forward, they use the late pick on the best d-man available, and if they Hedman, vice versa).
Campoli for a 1st round? I’ll take it. Now we need to draft a competent 1st rounder with that pick along with the other picks we have accumulated. That has been a huge problem over the last several years.
Comrie gone? I will drive him to the airport! I hated his play ALMOST as much as I hated Kvasha’s play a few years back…………..almost
Strummer;
There is something called “hits and misses” here that I think you don’t get. You can rattle off names of people that have touched NHL ice or even had successful NHL careers in that draft position. For every guy that’s made it there are 20 guys that turned out complete busts. That late in the draft and into the second round the number of busts far succeded the number of successes.
It’s easy to make the hits sound like it’s a good thing when you don’t focus on the misses as well.
I liked Camps … but fact is … the Isles have a stable of recently drafted puck moving small D-men … and they have Steit locked up … there is always the prospect of getting Gilroy … an unhappy CC isn’t going to grow with the building team. As CB said … Comrie and McAmmond is a wash … and if anything … the Isles can get more for McAmmond than Comrie straight up by the deadline.
Ron (33) - My own personal belief is that trading Campoli means Snow goes after Gilroy in full-force. I don’t believe at this time that this trade has any effect on who is drafted first (if we end up #1).
However, besides wanting Toronto and now San Jose to bottom out, I think we all need to root for a complete Montreal collapse. The team is reeling, they sent Kovalev home for 2 games and now 3 players have been reported to be friends with a well-known mafia member. We need the distractions to keep coming so Komisarek has no desire to sign long-term with the Canadiens.
If he’s available 7/1, he could very well come back home and become an Islander.
Draft Tavares, sign Gilroy and Komisarek….now we are getting somewhere!
chickendirt why do you feel the pick we got won’t ever sniff nhl ice? People have to stop with the thinking oh it’s the sharks pick it’s a waste. A first rounder is a first rounder. I’m thinking this pick was acquired in order for Garth to try and move up in the draft.
P.S.
Garth,
please sign Gillroy
Assuming SJ gets one of the last few picks, this trade will be Camp for nothing. All you guys get giddy over draft picks. If you like, I can list the last 10 players picked 30th in the draft. YOu will recognize 2 of them, the best being Jim Slater. Be careful about gettin excited over unknown players. I say 2 of you have seen Gillroy. You read something on a blog and believe it. Sad!
if i were a betting man i would wager that garth tries to package this late first with a second to try to move up 5 spots or so in the first round if there is a guy that they love that they don’t think be will there for them to take. stefan elliot perhaps?
If Campoli didn’t want to be here, then fine we’ll move on and take the First Rd. pick. And yes unloading Comrie was a plus and maybe we can sneak a 4th rounder or 5th rounder for Dean (playoff teams will look at him for depth). Good move. My buddy at Denver says Bozak is recovering from his surgery and yes, he does speak highly of the Islanders.
Ya, Chicken there are plenty of misses but I choose to focus on the positive and have faith that our new scouting staff (which had a very strong 2008 draft) will do as well in a deeper 2009 draft. Either way Campolli was nothing special and this selection should easily be a much better player or at least better.
Keep going Garth dump all the garbage!
With all these nice stories about Campoli i have to throw my story in here. When the Isles lost to Buffalo in the playoffs a couple years ago i went to Mulcaheys (a bar) and ran into Campoli, Tambellini, Poti, and a couple of other isles. Campoli was the biggest a$$hole i ever met. Him and Tambellini wound up bringing 2 of my friends (girls) home that night. Campoli is full of himself. He hasnt played in atleast 60 games since his rookie year, he hasnt made one stride of improvement since his rookie year, and he requested a trade. See ya! Ill take a first rd. pick for him any day. I also feel the play of Jack Hillen the last few games made the move much easier for Garth. Hillen looks better than Campoli anyway.
Don’t the Islanders also own Boston’s 2nd rounder? This is what Snow likes to do stockpile draft picks to build the system…He did that last year. I wouldn’t expect him to trade 2 for 1 unless he has a shot a someone special. On the contrary I would expect him to trade the SJ pick down and pick up a few more picks. I hope they get the # 1 pick so all this pain pays off.
I dont agree with Botta saying that you dont trade a d-man of his age. Now im reading all these stories of his huge potential. I think his potential went out the window last year. Remember a couple years ago when he didnt even make teh team out of training camp playing for Nolan? I dont think any other team in teh NHL who were in the top 5 in the league would have given up their 1st rd. pick for Campoli. Kudos to Snow
This may be nuts, but I’m actually excited about seeing Dean McAmmond in an Islander uniform. For all the hopes some of us had of Comrie turning into the 1-2 Center he may have the potential to become… I really enjoyed watching Silly and Doug Weight more… and there was very little “expectation” surrounding their arrival.
Much like I posted on the previous thread, this is a chance for Ottawa to kick some tires, and maybe for the Isles as well.
Good luck Dean. Looking forward to seeing some hustle!
streit 02: ha… there’s a lot of stupid things being said on this board today… dream trades being at the top of the list but come on dude…if a girl had to pick between you and an nhl hockey player, young, toned, buff and gonna be rich… they are gonna choose the hockey player in a fraction of a second.
Campoli and Comrie…. don’t let the door hit you in the *** …..
This gives us so much more draft day flexibility…
We now have Jordan Schroeder and John Tavares!!
CB- This is the second 1st rounder you said we had no shot of getting before the day of the draft if we had any chance at all..
I’m looking into my crystal ball, it’s the day of the draft, the Isles have traded San Jose’s first rounder, two second rounder’s and a fourth rounder for the 8th overall pick and have taken Jordan Schroeder…
Vukota great comment with post 8, couldn’t agree with you more. That is exactly what I think of as far as Gervais is concerned. He plays four decent games and now everyone is saying how good he’s playing. I wish Capoli the best but he will probably wilt in Ottawa that is for sure. One defensive lapse and the fans and press will be up his arse. See how much he likes the idea of wanting to get outta here when that happens. Don’t blame him for hating Gordon, don’t care for him much myself!
Why!? I think we gave up wayy too early on Campoli. Sounds like its another coach vs player scenario and the Isles lose out on a good young Dman.
Basically its Campoli for a high 2nd round pick…The islanders probably had to take McAmmond to offset the Salary since Ottawa was at the cap…they couldn’t take someone else instead…Hopefully they could trade McAmmond for a draft pick before the deadline.
Hopefully this isn’t a McCabe scenario and Campoli doesn’t blossom into a good D-man on another team….
I wonder how many other players are that unhappy playing for Gordon? I must admit, it would have been better to see Gervais go instead of Campy but what can you do. Campoli is a solid player and is only going to get better. We really do not have that many talented D man in Bridgeport right now. I like Hillen and maybe Callahan but Kohn is nowhere close to being ready yet. The likelihood of Witt being moved now is probably gone, which is good, even if his plus rating is over 20.
These trades only help if our ownership agrees to spend all the money that will be required to sign all of these first & second round draft picks we’ve been accumulating. Or are we going to trade down for more 4th & 5th rounders?
Here’s what I want: we all know that the draft has 2 superstars to choose from. Why can’t we get BOTH? We already will have one of them locked up with our dismal performance this season. Now we have enough draft picks to put together an offer that can’t be refused for that second choice. A big scorer and a great d-man. Bossy & Potvin…let’s GO!!!
I never saw Campoli as good as McCabe was with the Isles, but that’s just me. I was always sour on CC’s talent.
This is Comrie’s quote on TSN;”I played in Ottawa before and I know what’s at stake and what it’s like,” Comrie said. ”It’s an exciting place to play and a great group of guys and I’m obviously thrilled about the opportunity to play on a great team.”
Great team? ….what is he smoking?
It will take a lot more than 2 seconds and a low first to get the #2 pick in the draft. Superstar Talents do not come cheap. The Isles will have to include at least one of their best prospects maybe 2
I’m now having my doubts on Gordon. I wonder if he is going to wind up being Rick Bowness redux.
MickeyBoy,
If the Isles pull that off, I’ll buy you lunch.
It’ll be odd to see Hedman and Tavares both up at the same time putting on the ‘09 Isles jerseys. I remember from the WJC Tavares was calling for Hedman’s head. They might have to have a “hug it out” moment. haha.
d-man: Lol there was no competition between me and Campoli for the girl. Just stating an interesting part of the story. I was just saying that when i talked to Campoli he was full of himself and an ass. He had that persona like he thought he was better than every1 else. Tambellini on teh other hand was a real cool kid. Took some shots w/ me and my friends, but Campoli was too good for that. When we offered him one he said, I dont do shots (with a frown on his face) and then he walked away. Maybe Tambo should take a couple b4 next game
Camps was too small and not strong enough. He should learn to love the gym but never did. How many time since he joined the team have we seen guys skating right through him. I appreciate some of the goals he scored but he didn’t do that too often. This is a really positive move!
Only way to get Hedmand and Tavares is win the lottery and hope Tampa finishes 2nd last. Then you have to trade Streit and the other first to even be in the hunt. TB might consider it. But more would be needed….another second or prospect.
Good, I won’t have to hear the “Com-rie com-rie, you suck” chants at NVMC very often (only when Ottawa is in town). I didn’t get to meet Hillary though. Damn. Campoli? Eh. Hot and cold, as a few others have mentioned. Go for Gilroy and keep Hillen up for the season. This doesn’t sound so bad.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but just because SJ finishes 2nd (assuming) in the league, it doesn’t mean we automatically get the 29th pick. I’m pretty sure that where they get elimated in the playoffs plays a roll. Assume that SJ loses first round…I’m pretty sure that pick would be top 20.
Someone please punch me in the face. I keep reading some comments like Chris Campoli is Jay Bouwmeester. There is absolutely no comparison.
Campoli is an ok defenseman but no one can tell me he’s done anything for me to say he’s a top 2 defenseman on this team.
Lets compare MAB, some people’s favorite, to Campoli in both player’s tenures with the Isles.
MAB = 69 GP, 15 G, 24 A, 39 PTS, -9
Camps = 228 GP, 20 G, 63 A, 83 PTS, -40
We couldn’t wait to run MAB out of town but at least he produced some offense. Campoli’s +/- shows he’s just as bad defensively and puts up less offensive numbers and some people are crying that we got a 1ST ROUND PICK.
I just don’t get it sometimes.
Where they finish in the playoffs effects draft position.
CB- Regarding post 12: How long has it been that way? I mean, how long has that structure been in place?
You can’t overlook that the pick we get back will be used by Snow. He’s shown nothing so far. The only significant managerial decisions he’s made so far were (1) renting Ryan Smyth and then not signing him, (2) firing Ted Nolan and hiring a coach with zero NHL experience that seems to be disliked by many of his players and (3) trading down the number 5 pick in a draft to pick a kid that so far has 51 fewer goals in his rookie season than Mike Bossy had in his.
Jeff (70)
Smyth didnt want to sign here.
Gordon SEEMS to be disliked? Exactly. Hearsay. Speculation. Doubtful.
And Filatov has 4G…big deal. I dont think you can compare anyone to Bossy.
dmen77 — the prospects of signing Komisarek and Gilroy … for your Keyboard to God’s PC screen … that would be sweeeeet …. and your last post … I don’t get some people either … I wish I could of seen Snow’s smirk after that deal was official.
The Isles view Campoli as expendable, considering the possible growth of Hillen, Ness, Katic, and other small, puck-moving defensemen. Campoli has plateaued here and obviously feels he should be in a better situation, because, apparently #5 D-Men can demand trades. Good riddance then. Same with Comrie. I’ll wait for the younger guys to step up and fill the void and potential Campoli only hinted at.
Jeff What would your suggestion be on what Garth Snow should have done? Maybe he should have given Drury, Gomez or Smyth 9 mil a year to come here. Snow signed the biggest steal of the FA period last year w/ Mark Streit. Although i didnt agree with his trading the #5 pick he certainly wound up w/ a lot in return from it. The players we traded for Smyth have turned out to be nothing (besides Nilsson whos been in teh doghouse his whole stay in Edmonton so far). And he hired a coach to work w/ the young players who are seeing substantial ice time right now instead of Ted Nolan riding Satan and Fedotenko for a whole season while teh kids watched.
Mike Green was taken 29th a few years ago. Corey Perry 28th, Mike Richards 24th, the list goes on and on. A ton of players are taken outside the top 15. If SJ loses in the first round, we could pick 16th. Garth did a terrific job. I liked Campoli but come on. The guy wasnt a prospect or some highly touted guy like some of the other guys we have traded before, he was a 7th round pick who only had a roster spot because he was playing for the worst team in the league.
Jason (71) - Snow should have added Smyth’s reluctance to sign here into the equation. If he wasn’t prepared to blow Smyth away with an offer, he shouldn’t have traded him. Or didn’t Snow know about players’ reluctance to play here? Either way, he miscalculated.
I don’t think it’s hearsay to say Gordon is disliked. Witt went on the record about his system.
Of course, no one is Mike Bossy (ovechkin comes close), but 2 goals? Come on.
I understand that the point of this rebuild is go with youth. Just because the guy is young doesn’t mean he is a lock with the plan. Perhaps (PP point as evidence) Campoli wasn’t fitting any longer. Do you keep him simply because he’s young? We can’t be that blinded. B+ Snow. And if he can package that pick for something better, or picks smart again, he can move up to A-.
Sorry, I forgot to credit Snow with signing DP to a 15-year deal, making DP the de facto head of the organization.
Jeff…you are comparing Bailey to Bossy. You know how many other first round picks you can do that with? Snow needs more that two drafts to be fairly evaluated.
Just wondering why is this now about the Ryan Smyth trade? I mean, not for nothing but I just dont get how that relatively inconsequential trade is always deemed relevant to every conversation about this team.
PS: Jeff (78): If you did, you would be completely wrong.
I think if we can turn a 7th rd. pick into a low 1st, good job Garth. I don’t comment alot, but i never cheered for a loss either this year, I want to see wins everyday. Any extras in the draft helps our rebuilding cause, And I am sure losing Comrie is a good thing, he has had zero effort in the last 10 games I have seen him play on center ice. Just a Canadian Islanders fan perspective.
Couple of issues: Isles basically traded a young dman who could develop further…if he wanted out, then fine, he basically forced Snow’s hand, but then:
Some guys have issues with Godron. Is that bad? At the same time, Giants players had issues with Coughlin and they went on the win the Lombardi Trophy….
I was so happy when i read the news. Campoli was solid for one year. Since then he has either been hurt or mediocre. He has had a solid 15 or so games in the past few weeks which apparently showcased him enough to lure a 1st round pick out of ottawa. THANKS CHRIS!!! happy trails!!
Garth is a genius. Get overcompensation for Campoli AND unload Mike Comrie, who seemed more interested in Hilary Duff than showing he deserves a roster spot.
The truth is that Garth just got us an experienced hard working vet and a first rounder for a #4 or 5 dman at best and a guy who shows up 30% of the time and is a giveaway machine.
I love the move.
My first impression is that I like the trade. A well deserved pat on the back to Garth for being able to grab that “other” first rounder. BUT….the jury will remain out until after the draft and how that pick stacks up. Also, McAmmond has to be better than Comrie even if he doesn’t stay long.
P.S. to dman77 - +\- is an ambiguous and mostly useless gauge of a player, especially a d-man playing decent minutes. If you are playing decent minutes you are seeing alot of 2nd lines and quite a few 1st lines as well. MAB was giving ulcers to almost everyone while he was here.
#78 Snow had nothing to do with the DP deal. I agree with the majority in here and I think it was a good deal for both parties. Campoli gets a fresh start and the isles now have another pick in the first to play with. The cherry on the top being Comrie is gone and we will no longer have to watch him make blind passes (in the offensive zone) to the other team! Lastly since there are a couple of posters who think any picks past the top 15 are useless maybe we should just give them all away. You can write a couple of paragraphs about all of the 30th picked players who didn’t make it and I will write a NOVEL about all of the players picked after thirty who not only made it but are hall of famers and all stars.
If we get first overall we should try doing what Brian Burke did with Vancouver in 1999 picking 2nd and 3rd overall Sedin twins. Trade Bailey + Sharks First this year ,next years first and this years 2nd for second overall.Come out with Hedman and Tavares. If you need to sweeten the deal throw in one more pick. todays trade is a great one for Snow!
I’m sorry I have to iterject here. How can Snow have nothing to do with the DP deal? Just because the Wanger insisted? Come on he was GM and did say it was a great signing and a great day for the Isles the day he signed him. Lets call a spade a spade here. My other question is for nhlfan with post 79, how many drafts do we give Snow? Obviously 2 is not enough for you so just how many? I’m not saying he is doing a bad job but how many NHL owners would give their GM’s multiple years to be successful? None, thats how many. He will be judged by this draft. If he has the option to pick Taveras and picks Hedman the club is going to lose fans. I know some will argue that point but I think it is dead on. But who knows Wang kept Milbury and look how that panned out. For a billionare he is not exactly the brightest bulb in the circuit.
bring back k jonsonn I would do that in a heart beat but don’t think its going to happen but it would be great. Just as long as we get Taveras!
I dont agree with the people who say that we have to wait 4 years to analyze this trade. I dont think it matters who we pick, the value of a late 1st rd pick vs what we know we have in campoli is clear.
We now will have 4 picks in the top 35 and 6 in the top 62 (based on todays standings). This is the way you rebuild a franchise. It isnt by hoping a former 7th round pick in his 4th full NHL season will all of a sudden become Denis Potvin.
Good deal it gets us rid of Mike Comrie - who actually shoots the puck softer then my 10 year old niece, i mean this guy is a BUM !!!! Good ridance & now Campoli is a servicabble 5th d-men , but come on we have like 4 Midgets on d already & now getting a first round pick which could be in the top 15-26 if Sharks get upset in rd 1 or 2, which we all know in the NHL happens regulary. Imagine if we come out we Taveras & Duchesne or Pavri (however u pronounce that swedes name) that will be the ultimate coup
Whomever wrote it above is correct: the Isles have an abundance of smallish offensive-minded defensemen. If Chris Campoli nets you a 1st rounder, you take it.
Fill his role with any of Meyer, Hillen, Katic, Ness, etc. etc. etc.
And P.S. No need to get excited about Dean McAmmond; he could be a sixth round pick in within two weeks.
Everyone here talks like they know everything that goes on behind the scenes. Snow v Ted. Now Players unhappy with Gordon. Who knows why Campoli wanted to be traded other than CAmpoli. Getting a #1 pick in the draft for someone who does not want to be here is great. Also who’s to say this pick isn’t packaged for something better. Witt’s questioning of the system does not automatically mean he dislikes Gordon. Weight is on record saying this is the most fun he has had playing in a while. Guerin seems unwilling to give up his no trade clause. All these doom & gloom posts are sickening. Why can’t we look at the positives. I’m sure San Jose would love to have a #1 pick. I for one look at it that Ottawa a bubble team just spent a 1st round pick just to try to make it into the playoffs. Hopefully this may raise the price for some other players.
Basically Campoli = a high 2nd round pick…everyone can talk alll they want San Jose is not getting knocked out in the 1st round…they will go deep in the playoffs…that’s why this will be like having a 2nd round pick….I don’t remember anyone saying this draft is deeper than last year….Logan or Botta better have more info on this year’s draft to calm all of the fans down b/c right now it looks like the Isles pulled a quick trigger, kind of giving up on another young defenseman….everyone in the NHL are looking for puck moving defenseman they seem hard to find by the way everyone talks (coaches, GM’s, & Media)…but the Isles trade a young puck moving defenseman with a decent contract for again a high 2nd round pick……the comrie part of this trade was a salary dump….Couldn’t the Islanders Take a guy like Shannon off the Sens roster instead of McAmmond - I don’t see any point of taking this guy back (I would rather have no one instead of him - what does he really do for the last place Islanders)….I am giving this trade a C- …..Snow will try to Spin this saying he wants to get Hillen more Ice time….And the spin that Campoli requested a trade…I hope he was at least shopped around the league first before making this move…After the season ended the Islanders could have just traded Campoli for that pick…was there a rush……..sorry for the rant
if a bubble team thinks campoli is worth a late first rounder,how can witt’s value not be higher? i don’t think his contract is that bad.
Comrie had this to say: Asked to describe his two seasons as an Islander, Comrie said: “I think frustrating would be the best word. More so because of the injuries. In two seasons, we had close to 800 man games lost. When you sign as a free agent, we had a lot of parts we felt were going to make it a competitive team. With the injuries we had, it was disappointing.”
I’ll say it again, this summer the medical, conditioning and training staffs need to be improved.
Whatever Campoli’s ceiling may be, I just don’t feel like we ever saw the best of him here, for whatever reason that may be. What kind of bothers me is that he wanted out in the first place.
It should be interesting to see Campoli try to play the role of No. 1 defenseman for Ottawa (look at their roster) after he was No. 3 or 4 with the league’s worst team. The Sens are asking an awful lot of a guy who is thin, not particularly fast and slightly above average offensively. Maybe Campoli blossoms somewhere else but I would be very surprised.
bcarroll25: calm down. Ottawa is not a bubble team… they are certainly a below the bubble team and they did not trade their 1st round pick, it was an extra one that will probably be very late in the first round… this is in no way any indication that witt could get another teams only first round pick
From Newsday -
“Yes, I asked for the trade,” Campoli told Newsday on Friday night. “I was frustrated with my year and the way things had gone. I felt like a change was needed for me. From my perspective, I don’t think I fit in with what Scott was trying to do.”
Hey, it’s 60 games into a rough season for everyone and Campoli rather ask for a trade than work harder, learn the system better and try to make it work.
I personally don’t want anyone on this team who is still young and doesn’t feel like they belong 60 games into a rebuild.
Good luck in Ottawa Camps, we wish you the best but those comments above leave a bad taste in my mouth.
IMO, the deal can’t be analyzed until after the pick is made and the player (hopefully) settles into the NHL. Apparently Comrie wasn’t going to be given an extension with the Isles prior to the end of the season, so it amounts to Campoli for a late first-round pick and possibly another draft pick (if McCammond gets dealt.) The other variable is that this trade without a doubt makes the Isles worse for the immediate future which should help them finish last, which will guarantee either Tavares or Hedman. Besides watching the Tavhed sweepstakes unfold, it’s getting pretty interesting in the Eastern Conference for spots 5-8. Carolina’s only 3 points behind the 5th place Ranger$, but the Rag$ have a game in hand. Pittsburgh is also only 4 pts out of eighth.
I can’t wait to see what Snow does next - he trades : Witt, Weight, Guerin, & Bergenheim for Detroit’s 1st round pick & Darren McCarty & a 7th round pick….so we can dominate the bottom of the 1st round of this year’s draft.
Then Snow will sign Andy Hilbert to a 5 year extention b/c he gets along good with Gordon…the Announcers have been Kissing Hilbert’s butt the last week.
UIF (98): I think about the years he played here… he first played in 2005 when we stunk. He was back in BPT and had a less prominent role with the team when we were better, he dealt with injuries to himself and all his teammates, and now we stink again lol. What success this team has had, he didnt really get to be a part of it as much. Now the Islanders have drafted guys whose specialty as defensemen is moving the puck… and the Islanders now have Mark Streit. In respect to all those things I understand why he thought a new place might mean a better future for him. I love Camps, he was a good Islander, really nice, and I have a lot of hope for him in the NHL. I honestly wish him nothing but the best… because the way I see it he does NOT have to be a bad player in Ottawa for this to wind up being a good trade for the Islanders.
Two things: 1) As decent a d-man as Campoli is, McCabe was way far ahead of Campoli in terms of development when traded, and I’d guess that McCabe was younger when traded and the return was for guys in their 30s not a 1st round pick. Which, leads to point…
2) Chicken, as much as respect your hockey IQ, why can’t a 25-30 range pick be a productive player, maybe even a star? I know there’s a lot of bust in every professional league, but as one poster stated earlier, there have been some gems picked late in the 1st.
5 picks so far in the first two rounds of what’s considered a deep draft, with the young talent picked last June, Party on Garth!
You guys have to look like 2, 3 years ahead right now. You need to think about Cups, not first-round or second-round ousters.
Washington’s Mike Green was picked 29th overall in 2004.
What could the Isles possibly get for Dean McAmmond, don’t start talking how he is a good trade chip….at most his return would be a 7th round pick…if they can get that, I would make the trade now so he never suits up and we clear a roster spot for a guy like Trevor Smith…Murray said to Snow if you take McAmmond I will make the trade now….Snow should have said take Jon Sim and we got a deal (Ha)
What does bad mouthing Andy Hilbert, one of the hardest working best defensive forwards on the team, have to do with the thread about the trade?
Hillen appears almost as good as Campoli RIGHT NOW! Really going to miss seeing Comrie’s toe-drag being poke-checked and play immediately head the other way up the ice. The Isles have an abundance of soft, puck-moving defenseman. Great trade, Garth! Well done! Now get Komisarek and/or Gilroy here!!!
Go Isles!
Brian G:
How is it exactly a HIGH 2ND round pick. It’s a first round pick no matter how you slice it.
DOC
105, there have been talented players not only taken in the first after 25 but in EVERY round of the draft. You are correct and the assertion by other posters that you can’t find players after the top 15 or 20 is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard in a hockey forum. Good luck to Campoli in Ottawa.
Yeah, I was just stating any pick can turn into anything in the future. WE have to wait until the third week in June to truly find out. I like this trade though. One thing no one has posted yet…while his name isn’t Radek Martinek, Campoli never really showed himself to be a truly durable player and as a d-man in this division that’s a problem. People, IMO, are comparing this to the McCabe trade and that’s like comparing apples and oranges. Campo seemed like a good kid, but see ya…Throwing in the towel, too, on a rough season says something else to me to. Chris, welcome to the fishbowl that is Ottawa, hope your skin is thicker than it appears right now.
Brian g- good thing you aren’t the gm of my favorite team or I’d feel like a bengals fan right now-now to pick apart why
First off- this years draft is by far head and shoulders above last years- in fact that was the talk of last years draft
Secondly- yes campoli is a puck moving defenseman but he disappears at times and has not progressed as one should as a 3 year player at 25. He has been given many opportunities to become a leader and impact player but has not taken advantage of it
And thirdly- a first round pick is a first round pick is a first round pick no matter how YOU try and spin it
It’s obvious from your comments you can’t be objective about garth snow as gm
Logan pointed out that San Jose’s 1st rd pick can be from #21-30 depending on post-season results. Let’s hope San Jose gets ousted fast!
San Jose ain’t losing in the first round. I know their playoff past is less than exemplary, but they have a deep roster and a first class goaltender. Ain’t happening. As someone said earlier, a first round pick is still a first-round pick, and if Snow is feeling froggy, they can package some picks to a team that might not have many to move up in the first.
Someone just told me the pick we got from San Jose (wich will be in the 25-30 range) has a 44% chance of playing 100 games in the NHL.
Don’t know if there is any to this and want to find some more stats. If true I think this should shine a little more perspective on what we are looking at this late in the first round.
I didn’t think that trading Campoli would net a first round pick, so I have to give Garth some credit here - especially given the fact that Chris wanted out. Its interesting that Campoli seemed like a good, hardworking kid, but seemed to have friction with both Nolan and Gordon. Perhaps its due to living through the Milbury years, but I have a feeling that Campoli will do well in Ottawa - its nice to be on the powerplay with Heatley, Spezza, and Alfredsson. They also have some good veteran stay-at-home defenseman to help him out in his own zone, like Chris Phillips and Jason Smith. From the NYI perspective, though, I think its a good deal, but we need to hope for 2 things now: 1) that Snow and Jankowski do their homework on the draft and don’t waste this pick and 2) the Sharks lose!
Chicken, you gotta stop harping on it, man. This pick can be anybody. Right now, my opinion only, I would pick anybody over Campoli, the upside with any pick in the top 50 is better than his. But, who knows? I could be wrong. One of my favorite players of all-time is Wayne Chrebet, and the guy never was drafted.
Great trade by Garth. Anytime you are going through a rebuild, this is how you do it. At last years draft, 1st round picks were being traded for Tanguay and Cammalleri. The Isles got one for Campoli. Sorry, but you can’t compare.
I’ve met Campoli myself at a stag in Toronto last summer, and had about an hours talk with him. As CB stated, Chris does the extras off the ice, but from my conversation, he thought he was the next Lidstom. I hate to talk about people that way, but I walked away from the conversation just shaking my head at how he could talk this way. One interesting thing he did say was that he was very grateful to Milbury for getting to where he was.
Finally, anyone thing they trade this pick and maybe one of the second rounders for a young roster player next year?
At first didnt like the trade. But gives a chance for Isles to see what Hillen can do, and until Sutton or Meyer come back can look at Callahan also. Also really want to see them get Gilroy, and this helps create some space for him. As for the pick, maybe if Guerin is willing to move, Him combined with a 2nd or 3rd rounder for next year can turn into whatever team he is dealt to for a 1st rounder next year???? if not, atleast we get another high pick for this upcoming draft.
I would keep an eye on the Penguins and their first pick which is currently 11. They might be willing to make a deal to get possibly a Witt or Guerin plus our other 1st round pick. They need to make the playoffs. A trade like that brings back probably a player and another probable top 15 pick!
Love the trade… and please all you guys who say the 29-30 pick doesnt mean anything… YEAH IT DOES. a first round pick is a first round pick. “oh its pretty much a high 2nd round pick.” if we got a high 2nd round pick for this trade everyone would be saying “its a late first rounder!!”
and I agree with post 122… i’d package up guerin weight and witt for that first rounder lol. imagine 3 first rounders? lol then hope the pens and sharks tank the playoffs lol
Not only do the Isles get a first round pick for our garbage but positive news on the Lighthouse project on the same day!!!
What an awesome day!
A first rd pick is a 1st rd pick. Enough of this high second crap!!! All of a sudden Campoli is the next Orr. Like I said in the other blog a 20 yr old rookie WINGER was playing point over him on the 1pp unit. Nuff said….
news flash whether you want to hear it or not. I play on a team with a player that works at the syosset pro-shop(nameless as am I) he is informing us to brace ourselves that the Isles are looking at Hedman not Tavares with teh 1st pick. This is no joke. The last time I posted info about the team was 3 months ago that the Isles are moving to KC or Ontario. How did that work out?
I report what I hear!
d-man it’s about value not whose pick they traded.i would think looking at their resprctive bodies of work witt would have FAR more value to a team either in the playoffs or trying to get in.my contention is, is witt’s contract what hurts his value in comparison to campoli?
this is a god dam shame……
we are assured of last place now & we lose in my eyes a great young d-man
Ed, the last time I checked we should be rooting for last place…