Comments on: GET OUTTA TOWN!The Islanders have a lease?! http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/ Independent, Daily Coverage Of The New York Islanders Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:45:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Dmarie http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-26170 Dmarie Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:25:25 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-26170 Ok..I took a break from all this for a few days. But I read the article in Newsday, and I laughed when they stated that if Charles Wang breaks this lease? he could face major fines and even prison!..prison? yea, ok.. lets put a Man in jail who's trying to rebuild the Arena an it's surrounding area, create jobs, all positive things for a community not to mention LI as well, and the residents want this project too and rightly so, they live there, it means good things for them yea..that makes sense, UGG! I guess if you think like a politician it would..for them it's all about the money, the power trips, it's never about the TAX payers, you know? the ones who end up paying for all their mistakes! please! They just don't want Wang taking credit for improving things for their residents they should have a long time ago, and why? one reason they claim is because he's not a resident of LI?..wtf? who cares!..he's willing to make improvements! Wangs Lawyers should sue to break the lease because it's a dump!.. Ok..I took a break from all this for a few days. But I read the article in Newsday, and I laughed when they stated that if Charles Wang breaks this lease? he could face major fines and even prison!..prison?
yea, ok.. lets put a Man in jail who’s trying to rebuild the Arena an it’s surrounding area, create jobs, all positive things for a community not to mention LI as well, and the residents want this project too and rightly so, they live there, it means good things for them yea..that makes sense, UGG! I guess if you think like a politician it would..for them it’s all about the money, the power trips, it’s never about the TAX payers, you know? the ones who end up paying for all their mistakes! please!
They just don’t want Wang taking credit for improving things for their residents they should have a long time ago, and why? one reason they claim is because he’s not a resident of LI?..wtf? who cares!..he’s willing to make improvements! Wangs Lawyers should sue to break the lease because it’s a dump!..

]]> By: JayK http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25962 JayK Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:54:15 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25962 Art, you clearly didn't read Neil Best's column about two weeks ago about why the disapperance of the Islanders would be bad news for the Dolans. Art, you clearly didn’t read Neil Best’s column about two weeks ago about why the disapperance of the Islanders would be bad news for the Dolans.

]]> By: NYC NYI Fan http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25958 NYC NYI Fan Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:35:55 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25958 Does anyone have actual terms of lease, or link to PDF of lease? Does anyone have actual terms of lease, or link to PDF of lease?

]]> By: art http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25954 art Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:19:27 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25954 this storey was placed in Newsday for a reason. it is to create a buzz about how uncertain the isles and the lighthouse future really is. we all know the message now complete chaos and guessing. but there should be no guessing about why newsday broke the story -their owners and masters cablevision and the dolans want them 86 as in diner parlance simply stated one less nhl team in the metro area this storey was placed in Newsday for a reason. it is to create a buzz about how uncertain the isles and the lighthouse future really is. we all know the message now complete chaos and guessing. but there should be no guessing about why newsday broke the story -their owners and masters cablevision and the dolans want them 86 as in diner parlance simply stated one less nhl team in the metro area

]]> By: Tom http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25947 Tom Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:40:36 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25947 The Isles could start the 2009-10 season in KC if they want. All this yapping that they "can't move" or "won't move" is so wrong, so naive it IS funny! Laugh or cry? Isles fans laugh! Because Isles aren't worth crying over. Not any more. God helps those who helps themselves. You think the Wilpons, the Mara's, Steinbrenner's, the Modell's, the Davis', even the swine The Milstein's would stand for this treatment? Hell no. Pride. Wang's got none. The Isles have no pride. Top to bottom the org is 30th in every category and they couldn't care less. The powers that be have been playing with the Isles & making them look like bumbling fools. FIGHT BACK. But Islander fans don't get your hopes up, this an org that lacks the pride & the ambition to win. They've been a doormat for so long, they think it's the natural order of things. Who am I to complain? ;) The Isles could start the 2009-10 season in KC if they want. All this yapping that they “can’t move” or “won’t move” is so wrong, so naive it IS funny! Laugh or cry? Isles fans laugh! Because Isles aren’t worth crying over. Not any more.

God helps those who helps themselves. You think the Wilpons, the Mara’s, Steinbrenner’s, the Modell’s, the Davis’, even the swine The Milstein’s would stand for this treatment? Hell no. Pride. Wang’s got none.

The Isles have no pride. Top to bottom the org is 30th in every category and they couldn’t care less. The powers that be have been playing with the Isles & making them look like bumbling fools.

FIGHT BACK. But Islander fans don’t get your hopes up, this an org that lacks the pride & the ambition to win.

They’ve been a doormat for so long, they think it’s the natural order of things. Who am I to complain? ;)

]]> By: Nick Classic http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25906 Nick Classic Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:15:18 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25906 CGS - that's the problem on one level. So many people who could speak with their votes and take a stand don't out of defeatism (not necessarily saying you're doing this, but your comment triggered my thinking about this). What's the old saying - the worst part of a tragedy is when good people do nothing? CGS - that’s the problem on one level. So many people who could speak with their votes and take a stand don’t out of defeatism (not necessarily saying you’re doing this, but your comment triggered my thinking about this). What’s the old saying - the worst part of a tragedy is when good people do nothing?

]]> By: cgs878 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25889 cgs878 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:51:10 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25889 I don't know what to say anymore. I hate the way things are done on Long Island, but I can't change anything either. I'll just pay my ridiculous taxes and hope that my house doubles in value again in the next 10 years. Then, I'll be able to move away from this crappy Island and be free of the NIMBY, what's in it for me attitudes of the local politicians. I used to love Long Island, but now I just tolerate it. What a shame. I don’t know what to say anymore. I hate the way things are done on Long Island, but I can’t change anything either. I’ll just pay my ridiculous taxes and hope that my house doubles in value again in the next 10 years. Then, I’ll be able to move away from this crappy Island and be free of the NIMBY, what’s in it for me attitudes of the local politicians. I used to love Long Island, but now I just tolerate it. What a shame.

]]> By: isles72 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25888 isles72 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:45:19 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25888 lil off topic here but I was kinda baffled when I heard that the Coyotes have a terrible lease and its one of the reasons they are bleeding uhhhhh , didnt they just move into that new arena ?I dont get it lil off topic here but I was kinda baffled when I heard that the Coyotes have a terrible lease and its one of the reasons they are bleeding

uhhhhh , didnt they just move into that new arena ?I dont get it

]]> By: Dommy http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25885 Dommy Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:35:40 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25885 matt... i know it's obvious to you and me and many others but i'm amazed there are still people who look at what's there now and what it could be and still cringe at the idea of having a few tall buildings. it's not like they will be blocking a view of a grand mountain view or nyc skyline. i live in LA now. I can see a view of downtown from my balcony and the hollywood sign. if something went up to block it i'd be annoyed. but there's nothing like that there. in fact if this thing went up people would start to brag about how close they live to it and how nice it looks. it would become something that people would be proud of. matt… i know it’s obvious to you and me and many others but i’m amazed there are still people who look at what’s there now and what it could be and still cringe at the idea of having a few tall buildings. it’s not like they will be blocking a view of a grand mountain view or nyc skyline. i live in LA now. I can see a view of downtown from my balcony and the hollywood sign. if something went up to block it i’d be annoyed. but there’s nothing like that there. in fact if this thing went up people would start to brag about how close they live to it and how nice it looks. it would become something that people would be proud of.

]]> By: Nick Classic http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25882 Nick Classic Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:11:09 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25882 Aim, it doesn't help your point when it's rife with sarcasm and assumes that your opinion counts more than mine. Seriously, for all future discussions, drop the season ticket holder BS, because it doesn't make your opinion more valuable than anyone else's here. You still haven't answered my question about your alternative plan. Your big issues are the size of a tower and underground parking? If nothing else the underground units could provide more exits to the street instead of the few choke-points currently there. As for the towers, JayK laid it out pretty well. It was a scaled-back compromise (not dictating) because the 60-story building was a bridge too far for many people. Fair enough. However, I believe Mr. Wang intends it to be a symbol of Long Island's future; I asked him about it at an Islanders open house over the summer and he told me how much it bothered him that the Ref-Fuel smokestack is the tallest structure in Nassau/Suffolk, and he wants to change that. To review, your objections are towers that are a compromise to begin with and parking structures that can't be avoided. In addition, you still haven't said anything about other ideas, only inferring that those who support the project are blind sheep. As for the density, that same Long Island Index published a survey in early 2008 showing that 61% of Long Islanders surveyed favored high-density housing in downtown areas. Old Plainview was a pipe dream project on a sub-optimal plot of land. The Lighthouse is meant to be a full community center on prime real estate with parkway, main road, and (potential) mass transit access. Apples to oranges. JayK is also right that we're in a battle for the very future of our island. People won't suddenly wake up one day and decide that Long Island is doomed. However, over the years Long Island has become notorious for high taxes, high burdens on citizens, and no vision. We need to show foresight and stand up for the future. The current brain drain and aging populations model will not hold, regardless of how fervently some people may wish it was still 1959 rather than 2009. I've said this many times - the world is changing, and it won't wait for us to catch up. Aim, it doesn’t help your point when it’s rife with sarcasm and assumes that your opinion counts more than mine. Seriously, for all future discussions, drop the season ticket holder BS, because it doesn’t make your opinion more valuable than anyone else’s here.

You still haven’t answered my question about your alternative plan. Your big issues are the size of a tower and underground parking? If nothing else the underground units could provide more exits to the street instead of the few choke-points currently there. As for the towers, JayK laid it out pretty well. It was a scaled-back compromise (not dictating) because the 60-story building was a bridge too far for many people. Fair enough. However, I believe Mr. Wang intends it to be a symbol of Long Island’s future; I asked him about it at an Islanders open house over the summer and he told me how much it bothered him that the Ref-Fuel smokestack is the tallest structure in Nassau/Suffolk, and he wants to change that.

To review, your objections are towers that are a compromise to begin with and parking structures that can’t be avoided. In addition, you still haven’t said anything about other ideas, only inferring that those who support the project are blind sheep. As for the density, that same Long Island Index published a survey in early 2008 showing that 61% of Long Islanders surveyed favored high-density housing in downtown areas. Old Plainview was a pipe dream project on a sub-optimal plot of land. The Lighthouse is meant to be a full community center on prime real estate with parkway, main road, and (potential) mass transit access. Apples to oranges.

JayK is also right that we’re in a battle for the very future of our island. People won’t suddenly wake up one day and decide that Long Island is doomed. However, over the years Long Island has become notorious for high taxes, high burdens on citizens, and no vision. We need to show foresight and stand up for the future. The current brain drain and aging populations model will not hold, regardless of how fervently some people may wish it was still 1959 rather than 2009.

I’ve said this many times - the world is changing, and it won’t wait for us to catch up.

]]> By: Matt http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25881 Matt Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:51:13 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25881 I don't think anyone is arguing with you Dommy Hempstead is a dump and will turn into an even bigger one if this doesn't go through. I don’t think anyone is arguing with you Dommy Hempstead is a dump and will turn into an even bigger one if this doesn’t go through.

]]> By: Dommy http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/get-outta-townthe-islanders-have-a-lease/#comment-25875 Dommy Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:17:37 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6526#comment-25875 i don't get how you people look outside your windows and drive along the l.i.e. and think that long island is some sort of little country paradise. try to build the lighthouse off of montauk and you have a point. but not in the middle of the "dump" that uniondale, levittown, east meadow is. i think some of you need to travel to other places to understand what a nice area really is. there's no going back to what long island could have been. that concrete jungle has passed. the lighthouse would improve that dump tremendously. i don’t get how you people look outside your windows and drive along the l.i.e. and think that long island is some sort of little country paradise. try to build the lighthouse off of montauk and you have a point. but not in the middle of the “dump” that uniondale, levittown, east meadow is. i think some of you need to travel to other places to understand what a nice area really is. there’s no going back to what long island could have been. that concrete jungle has passed. the lighthouse would improve that dump tremendously.

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