Comments on: HOW THE WELL GOT SO DRY (Or, Why this rebuildis going to take more than two seasons) http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons Independent, Daily Coverage Of The New York Islanders Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:59:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Isle be Damned http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-29157 Isle be Damned Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:50:46 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-29157 Post #4 I can care less if the fans can be patient enough. I just want the franchise to be patient enough. Don't Milbury this and start calling kids a bust if they aren't scoring 30 goals by the time they're 22. Post #4

I can care less if the fans can be patient enough. I just want the franchise to be patient enough. Don’t Milbury this and start calling kids a bust if they aren’t scoring 30 goals by the time they’re 22.

]]> By: Isles Fan in Ulster County http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28760 Isles Fan in Ulster County Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:54:23 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28760 Watching McGuire (for some reason thought he was Emerick) rip on Mad Mike hurts me deep down. Seeing Mad Mike so callous is insulting as a fan. But whatever, the past is the past. Nice article, CB. I never went to the open houses (don't live in LI), but I understood from the reports that this was going to be a tough season, and as long as I see some efforts like most of January and February, I am okay with seeing some more losing seasons. I like Garth's drafting chops. It is clear how many resources he has placed in scouting, and I hope to hell that it all pays off. If the Islanders are contending by 2010-2011 with a mostly homegrown team, then I'll be as happy as a pig in mud. Bergie is the one player that I truly hope finds his place. I think he needs a slightly more talented line (Hunter and Nielsen) because he may not live up to his first round status, but he creates a ton of chances, but what can you do with Park (not known for his scoring), and Jackman (even less known for his offense). No offense to those guys, but they won't step in as finishers. Watching McGuire (for some reason thought he was Emerick) rip on Mad Mike hurts me deep down. Seeing Mad Mike so callous is insulting as a fan. But whatever, the past is the past.

Nice article, CB. I never went to the open houses (don’t live in LI), but I understood from the reports that this was going to be a tough season, and as long as I see some efforts like most of January and February, I am okay with seeing some more losing seasons.

I like Garth’s drafting chops. It is clear how many resources he has placed in scouting, and I hope to hell that it all pays off. If the Islanders are contending by 2010-2011 with a mostly homegrown team, then I’ll be as happy as a pig in mud.

Bergie is the one player that I truly hope finds his place. I think he needs a slightly more talented line (Hunter and Nielsen) because he may not live up to his first round status, but he creates a ton of chances, but what can you do with Park (not known for his scoring), and Jackman (even less known for his offense). No offense to those guys, but they won’t step in as finishers.

]]> By: 19 ISLE in NJ 22 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28750 19 ISLE in NJ 22 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:30:39 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28750 Geoff (137) I've heard Pierre McGuire rag on Milbury a lot of times regarding his poor decision making as Isles GM ... MM's comments usually are ... I will not go there. Geoff (137)

I’ve heard Pierre McGuire rag on Milbury a lot of times regarding his poor decision making as Isles GM … MM’s comments usually are … I will not go there.

]]> By: 19 ISLE in NJ 22 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28746 19 ISLE in NJ 22 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:28:09 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28746 I'm willing to give MM the benefit of the doubt when he was "forced" to trade away some of the Isles' best prospects just before they blossomed ... the Spano / Milsteins destroyed the foundation of the team ... and MM was the face of that horrible transformation. Was he forced into that by virtual gun point? Probably ... seems a reasonable assumption. Some of those players weren't MM draft picks ... they were Torrey / Maloney ... some were MM's ... But we also have to be left to wonder ... How those players would of developed if they stayed Islanders... Did the Islanders invest enough $$$$ into developing players ... or just throw caution to the wind and hope. My hope now is that Bryan Trottier's Hockey University will develop the current crop of prospects into better players than they would of been under a different organization. I’m willing to give MM the benefit of the doubt when he was “forced” to trade away some of the Isles’ best prospects just before they blossomed … the Spano / Milsteins destroyed the foundation of the team … and MM was the face of that horrible transformation. Was he forced into that by virtual gun point? Probably … seems a reasonable assumption.

Some of those players weren’t MM draft picks … they were Torrey / Maloney … some were MM’s …

But we also have to be left to wonder … How those players would of developed if they stayed Islanders… Did the Islanders invest enough $$$$ into developing players … or just throw caution to the wind and hope.

My hope now is that Bryan Trottier’s Hockey University will develop the current crop of prospects into better players than they would of been under a different organization.

]]> By: Joe http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28731 Joe Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:58:33 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28731 CB, very informative article, the truth does hurt. I do believe you are missing another angle here. Your drafts went up until 2005 and I agree those draft choices were weak. I am still not over JP's kid! But you may want to analyze the 2006 draft, you know the one that Neil Smith was in charge of. Okposo, Joenussu as mentioned by another fan, Rhett Rhas and Figren. That looks like it was a great draft. I watched the University of Denver play Minnesota Deluth, This kid Rhett dominated in every facet, penalty killing, scoring, settingup plays on the power play. I think in two to three years the 2006 dtafy will pay some big dividends, ironically due to Neil Smith. CB, very informative article, the truth does hurt. I do believe you are missing another angle here. Your drafts went up until 2005 and I agree those draft choices were weak. I am still not over JP’s kid! But you may want to analyze the 2006 draft, you know the one that Neil Smith was in charge of. Okposo, Joenussu as mentioned by another fan, Rhett Rhas and Figren. That looks like it was a great draft. I watched the University of Denver play Minnesota Deluth, This kid Rhett dominated in every facet, penalty killing, scoring, settingup plays on the power play. I think in two to three years the 2006 dtafy will pay some big dividends, ironically due to Neil Smith.

]]> By: Marc from Troy http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28727 Marc from Troy Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:40:43 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28727 How will this organization benefit from completion of the Lighthouse project? Well, how about this: IT WILL STILL BE LOCATED ON LONG ISLAND. How's that for a start? I mean, seriously, why in the world would Wang sell the team AFTER (or during) completion of this project? You do realize that a renovated Coliseum is one of the centerpieces of the project, right? What good will the renovated Coliseum be without it's main tenant? Hard for me to understand that, regardless of how many screw-ups there have been in the past - and there have been more than their share - that can be attributed to Wang, that so many people out there continue to just bash him and/or question him for EVERYTHING. Bottom line, whether some of you want to understand this or not: This team is likely gone from LI without Charles Wang - perhaps already - and it is almost certainly gone without the Lighthouse. He is the single reason you still have a local team to bitch and moan about. How will this organization benefit from completion of the Lighthouse project? Well, how about this: IT WILL STILL BE LOCATED ON LONG ISLAND. How’s that for a start?

I mean, seriously, why in the world would Wang sell the team AFTER (or during) completion of this project? You do realize that a renovated Coliseum is one of the centerpieces of the project, right? What good will the renovated Coliseum be without it’s main tenant?

Hard for me to understand that, regardless of how many screw-ups there have been in the past – and there have been more than their share – that can be attributed to Wang, that so many people out there continue to just bash him and/or question him for EVERYTHING. Bottom line, whether some of you want to understand this or not: This team is likely gone from LI without Charles Wang – perhaps already – and it is almost certainly gone without the Lighthouse. He is the single reason you still have a local team to bitch and moan about.

]]> By: JPinVA http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28721 JPinVA Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:20:43 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28721 Dorfer.. sorry... I knew that, but when my posts get translated from their native mandarin chinese sometimes things get lost. Dorfer.. sorry… I knew that, but when my posts get translated from their native mandarin chinese sometimes things get lost.

]]> By: Dorfer http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28718 Dorfer Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:09:28 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28718 JP - Don't forget we gave up Bill Muckalt in the Yashin deal, too... JP – Don’t forget we gave up Bill Muckalt in the Yashin deal, too…

]]> By: Paul* http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28714 Paul* Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:58:06 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28714 Well Nick your right it has no bearing on the LightHouse, However it does have bearing on the Islander fans who are going to Bat for the LightHouse because of the Islanders. I mean lets clear one thing up, Islanders fans would not be gun hoe for this unless they Knew in the end it benfits the Islanders, agreed? (how will fans benifit from it other wise?) Now with that said i believe Mr. Wang has an obligation to the Fans and the Organization and the public to tell his intentions for this club, I mean come on! If Wang sells the Islanders after the project is complete or while building the project,how will it BENFIT the Islanders(if wang sells)Will he give Money or Renvenue sharring! What! we should just take him on his word, Didn't Sanjay Kumar do that? I never called Wang a Liar or did i say i do not trust him. However when the Islanders are going to be locked in a lease for another 25 years Wang does have an obligation to tell WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE ISLANDER ORGANIZATION, is that to much to ask when he will Own 95% of that land forever! Are you saying we should just go blind eye for the Lighthouse and HOPE Mr.Wang does the right thing? To me that is bad business and us Islander Fans deserve more than that.He should be Loud and Clear to all fans on how this Organization will benifit from the Completion of the lightHouse. I dont think it is to much to ask! Well Nick your right it has no bearing on the LightHouse, However it does have bearing on the Islander fans who are going to Bat for the LightHouse because of the Islanders. I mean lets clear one thing up, Islanders fans would not be gun hoe for this unless they Knew in the end it benfits the Islanders, agreed? (how will fans benifit from it other wise?)
Now with that said i believe Mr. Wang has an obligation to the Fans and the Organization and the public to tell his intentions for this club, I mean come on! If Wang sells the Islanders after the project is complete or while building the project,how will it BENFIT the Islanders(if wang sells)Will he give Money or Renvenue sharring! What! we should just take him on his word, Didn’t Sanjay Kumar do that? I never called Wang a Liar or did i say i do not trust him. However when the Islanders are going to be locked in a lease for another 25 years Wang does have an obligation to tell WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE ISLANDER ORGANIZATION, is that to much to ask when he will Own 95% of that land forever! Are you saying we should just go blind eye for the Lighthouse and HOPE Mr.Wang does the right thing? To me that is bad business and us Islander Fans deserve more than that.He should be Loud and Clear to all fans on how this Organization will benifit from the Completion of the lightHouse. I dont think it is to much to ask!

]]> By: JPinVA http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28713 JPinVA Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:55:58 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28713 part 3... I need a proofreader. :-) part 3… I need a proofreader. :-)

]]> By: JPinVA http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28711 JPinVA Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:53:17 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28711 PART 2... trying to keep them under 100 words... And I don't care who's decision it was to sign Yashin for 10 years... but how #&$^ing stupid do you have to be, after that is a monstrous disaster, to sign a (ok, better than average) goalie to a 15 year deal... no matter what a "bargain" it MIGHT turn out to be 10 years down the road. I'm a fan... and I'm rooting for Snow and Gordon to succeed, but anybody that thinks that Wang isn't the ringmaster to a three ring hockey circus is delusional. PART 2… trying to keep them under 100 words…
And I don’t care who’s decision it was to sign Yashin for 10 years… but how #&$^ing stupid do you have to be, after that is a monstrous disaster, to sign a (ok, better than average) goalie to a 15 year deal… no matter what a “bargain” it MIGHT turn out to be 10 years down the road.
I’m a fan… and I’m rooting for Snow and Gordon to succeed, but anybody that thinks that Wang isn’t the ringmaster to a three ring hockey circus is delusional.

]]> By: JPinVA http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/02/how-the-well-got-so-dry-or-why-this-rebuildis-going-to-take-more-than-two-seasons/#comment-28710 JPinVA Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:51:29 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=6892#comment-28710 I think the two questions I'd have about the past regime are these: 1. Did Luongo (or his agent) force Milbury's hand in going after DiPietro. Because that has to whole scenario is probably the worse series of moves in hockey history. 2. Why did they give up ANYTHIING for Yashin. Who else was bidding for captain runaway? "Well... we know he held out all year and your fans hate him anyway becasue he's Claude Raines in the playoffs... but here is our first pick, and a 6'7" defenseman who might have some potential". I think the two questions I’d have about the past regime are these:
1. Did Luongo (or his agent) force Milbury’s hand in going after DiPietro. Because that has to whole scenario is probably the worse series of moves in hockey history.
2. Why did they give up ANYTHIING for Yashin. Who else was bidding for captain runaway? “Well… we know he held out all year and your fans hate him anyway becasue he’s Claude Raines in the playoffs… but here is our first pick, and a 6’7″ defenseman who might have some potential”.

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