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		<title>By: Vukota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vukota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jethro- Love the buddy Lembeck reference!!!</description>
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		<title>By: JayK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody take a deep breath: there is no Queens offer. There is no Brooklyn offer. There are some politicians and civic leaders who have said they might like to have the Islanders play in their area. That's it. Compare the "status" of those "offers" with what the Lighthouse group (which, btw, is not just Wang, but Rexcorp too) has done so far. 

Talking about Queens and Brooklyn as if they were true options is nothing short of ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody take a deep breath: there is no Queens offer. There is no Brooklyn offer. There are some politicians and civic leaders who have said they might like to have the Islanders play in their area. That&#8217;s it. Compare the &#8220;status&#8221; of those &#8220;offers&#8221; with what the Lighthouse group (which, btw, is not just Wang, but Rexcorp too) has done so far. </p>
<p>Talking about Queens and Brooklyn as if they were true options is nothing short of ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#85 DPS.  You summed my sentiments pretty succinctly. IMHO, Isle fans in general AND Long Islanders specially can have what they both want-- Wang takes Queens' offer &#38; moves the Isles there, he then continues his work on The Lighthouse project.  The HUB will do just fine w/a convention center/concert hall...maybe an NBA team? But the excuses for bad hockey on LI have run their course.  Free the Islanders &#38; free US the fans AND give Nassau a Hub &#38; a state-of-the-art facility.  It'll take 8-10 years, IF it gets done at all.  The Isles don't have that kind of time.   

Wang can free himself, free the Islanders and STILL make billions with a LI hub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#85 DPS.  You summed my sentiments pretty succinctly. IMHO, Isle fans in general AND Long Islanders specially can have what they both want&#8211; Wang takes Queens&#8217; offer &amp; moves the Isles there, he then continues his work on The Lighthouse project.  The HUB will do just fine w/a convention center/concert hall&#8230;maybe an NBA team? But the excuses for bad hockey on LI have run their course.  Free the Islanders &amp; free US the fans AND give Nassau a Hub &amp; a state-of-the-art facility.  It&#8217;ll take 8-10 years, IF it gets done at all.  The Isles don&#8217;t have that kind of time.   </p>
<p>Wang can free himself, free the Islanders and STILL make billions with a LI hub.</p>
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		<title>By: JayK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPS, I really didn't want to respond to you, because your arguments are so hopeless, but you've said two things here that make no sense.

You imply that Wang wants to move the team. You say he needs an excuse to move the team, and the failure to get financing will be the reason.

Why would he go through all of what he's going through, paying millions of dollars for studies, for a staff, for public relations, etc. if he's going to move the team? He'd do that just to have an excuse? 

If the financing falls apart or the town blocks the Lighthouse, these won't be excuses for moving. They will be the REASON for moving. 

As far as thinking of something else: there is no something else. This is it. Get used to it. The model you are proposing -- well, actually, you really aren't proposing anything now, are you? -- doesn't work, if I assume your model to be the stand-alone arena surrounded by a parking lot. I've said before that I think the only place where that works has been the Palace at Auburn Hills. I really can't think of one other one. 

Also: the team has not been horrible since he got here. They finished fifth in the east in '01-'02, made the playoffs the next two years, made the playoffs the second year post-lockout. It's not a great record, but it certainly undercuts the idea that they have been horrible the entire team he's been here. 

(Note to self: Why am I wasting my time arguing with these people?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPS, I really didn&#8217;t want to respond to you, because your arguments are so hopeless, but you&#8217;ve said two things here that make no sense.</p>
<p>You imply that Wang wants to move the team. You say he needs an excuse to move the team, and the failure to get financing will be the reason.</p>
<p>Why would he go through all of what he&#8217;s going through, paying millions of dollars for studies, for a staff, for public relations, etc. if he&#8217;s going to move the team? He&#8217;d do that just to have an excuse? </p>
<p>If the financing falls apart or the town blocks the Lighthouse, these won&#8217;t be excuses for moving. They will be the REASON for moving. </p>
<p>As far as thinking of something else: there is no something else. This is it. Get used to it. The model you are proposing &#8212; well, actually, you really aren&#8217;t proposing anything now, are you? &#8212; doesn&#8217;t work, if I assume your model to be the stand-alone arena surrounded by a parking lot. I&#8217;ve said before that I think the only place where that works has been the Palace at Auburn Hills. I really can&#8217;t think of one other one. </p>
<p>Also: the team has not been horrible since he got here. They finished fifth in the east in &#8216;01-&#8217;02, made the playoffs the next two years, made the playoffs the second year post-lockout. It&#8217;s not a great record, but it certainly undercuts the idea that they have been horrible the entire team he&#8217;s been here. </p>
<p>(Note to self: Why am I wasting my time arguing with these people?)</p>
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		<title>By: DPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, #72.  I am not sure what part of this some of you do not understand but the lighthouse project will never be built.  The lending will never be secured in this enviornment.  Most likly Wang will use this as an excuse to move the team. So for those of us who want our islanders to stay in Nassau we need to think of something else.  The lighthouse is a pipe dream and an excuse for bad hockey on the island. Mark my words it will never get done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, #72.  I am not sure what part of this some of you do not understand but the lighthouse project will never be built.  The lending will never be secured in this enviornment.  Most likly Wang will use this as an excuse to move the team. So for those of us who want our islanders to stay in Nassau we need to think of something else.  The lighthouse is a pipe dream and an excuse for bad hockey on the island. Mark my words it will never get done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jethro09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jethro09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mick (28), if Wang is Charles, is Scott Rechler Buddy Lembeck?

I think Charles has to do what he's doing.  He's got to keep pressure on the TOH and Nassau County.  If he doesn't, this project will continue to stall.  And he has every right to want a decision expeditiously.  He and the other developers have a lot at stake with this project, and they're already millions deep in the project before a shovel has even gone into the ground.

The best thing going for the Project right now is the state of the economy.  People are losing their jobs and this project guarantees 19,000 permanent jobs, as well as thousands more during the construction phase.  Plus, the Project will provide the TOH and Nassau County with tons of new tax revenue.  

I think the people of the TOH are going to get behind this project and once they make that support verbal, the politicans will approve it as soon as possile, so long as the environmental study doesn't contain any drastic problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mick (28), if Wang is Charles, is Scott Rechler Buddy Lembeck?</p>
<p>I think Charles has to do what he&#8217;s doing.  He&#8217;s got to keep pressure on the TOH and Nassau County.  If he doesn&#8217;t, this project will continue to stall.  And he has every right to want a decision expeditiously.  He and the other developers have a lot at stake with this project, and they&#8217;re already millions deep in the project before a shovel has even gone into the ground.</p>
<p>The best thing going for the Project right now is the state of the economy.  People are losing their jobs and this project guarantees 19,000 permanent jobs, as well as thousands more during the construction phase.  Plus, the Project will provide the TOH and Nassau County with tons of new tax revenue.  </p>
<p>I think the people of the TOH are going to get behind this project and once they make that support verbal, the politicans will approve it as soon as possile, so long as the environmental study doesn&#8217;t contain any drastic problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OhNoItsComeau57 (78):

This website http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6189.html has a lot of good information about the SEQR process.  The specific timeline: The lead agency (the ToH) has 45 days after receipt of the draft environmental impact statement to declare whether it's acceptable for public review.  That triggers a 30 day public comment period.  There is a non-mandatory public hearing that may be held; this needs to happen sooner than 60 days after the completion of the draft EIS.  The final EIS must be prepared within 45 days of the final public hearing or within 60 days of the filing of the draft EIS, whichever comes last.  Finally, the Town needs to submit a their findings within 30 days of filing the final EIS.

Altogether, the maximum time under the law it can take is: 60 days (until a public hearing) + 45 days (to file the final EIS) + 30 days (for the Town to give its deadnuts yes or no).  So, we're looking at five and a half months, if the Town drags its feet.

Keep in mind that the DEC timeline lists the scoping at 60 days, where the Town took something like five months (if I remember right, the draft scoping was submitted back in September).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OhNoItsComeau57 (78):</p>
<p>This website <a href="http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6189.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6189.html</a> has a lot of good information about the SEQR process.  The specific timeline: The lead agency (the ToH) has 45 days after receipt of the draft environmental impact statement to declare whether it&#8217;s acceptable for public review.  That triggers a 30 day public comment period.  There is a non-mandatory public hearing that may be held; this needs to happen sooner than 60 days after the completion of the draft EIS.  The final EIS must be prepared within 45 days of the final public hearing or within 60 days of the filing of the draft EIS, whichever comes last.  Finally, the Town needs to submit a their findings within 30 days of filing the final EIS.</p>
<p>Altogether, the maximum time under the law it can take is: 60 days (until a public hearing) + 45 days (to file the final EIS) + 30 days (for the Town to give its deadnuts yes or no).  So, we&#8217;re looking at five and a half months, if the Town drags its feet.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the DEC timeline lists the scoping at 60 days, where the Town took something like five months (if I remember right, the draft scoping was submitted back in September).</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Classic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Classic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OhNo - you can click my name and get my full take on that whenever (I know I'm over but I was directly addressed).  The review period is 30-60 days, but they are also trying to do things concurrently to speed it along.  Public comments haven't been scheduled yet, but I'd say March or April they will have them.  The TOH also committed to having hearings at night in addition to in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OhNo - you can click my name and get my full take on that whenever (I know I&#8217;m over but I was directly addressed).  The review period is 30-60 days, but they are also trying to do things concurrently to speed it along.  Public comments haven&#8217;t been scheduled yet, but I&#8217;d say March or April they will have them.  The TOH also committed to having hearings at night in addition to in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: mt275</title>
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		<dc:creator>mt275</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually like Charles tone in this.  It shows me that he is still financially sound enough to make this happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually like Charles tone in this.  It shows me that he is still financially sound enough to make this happen.</p>
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		<title>By: OhNoItsComeau57</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhNoItsComeau57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and DPS the lighhouse has everything to do with hockey as in if it doesn't get done there will no longer be any hockey on LI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and DPS the lighhouse has everything to do with hockey as in if it doesn&#8217;t get done there will no longer be any hockey on LI</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isles are gone. See ya. Hello KC, or Winnipeg, or some other Canadian province. Or maybe Las Vegas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isles are gone. See ya. Hello KC, or Winnipeg, or some other Canadian province. Or maybe Las Vegas.</p>
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		<title>By: OhNoItsComeau57</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhNoItsComeau57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for Wang.  He has played nice for a loong time and I think he wants to make sure the Town knows he is serious.  Also I think it was important so that perception wasnt that the town approved the scope and the ball was back in the isles court but that the report is submitted and it is back to the town.

I need to strongly disagree with DPS.  Calling the lighthouse a joke and saying Wang has tricked us is pattently ridiculous.  You reference places like Columbus and Pitt. The difference is that those arenas like many many others are downtown.  in Colubus for example an entire shopping and dining district has grown around their arena. What does NVMC have? Papa John's across the street.  Wang has lost staggering sums of money since buying the team.  I have no problem with him making the money back.  To suggest that a refurbished coliseum could be done without the lighthouse is silly.  It is unlikely that a building renovation on its own will drastically increase gate receipts and it is even more unlikely that the increase receipts offset the cost of renovation.  The entire package: arena, housing, office space works in a synergistic way, otherwise the coliseum will remain sitting in the middle of an asphalt desert.  Furthermore, how could you not prefer going to a game in a nice area like the lighthouse sketches show where you can get food or go to a bar than the desolate hole where we currently play?  If you think that just doing the coliseum makes any sense from an economic perspective think again.  That is just some farce Kate Murray has fed you to make it look like she is being cooperative.

QUESTION FOR CB OR NICK CLASSIC

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for Wang.  He has played nice for a loong time and I think he wants to make sure the Town knows he is serious.  Also I think it was important so that perception wasnt that the town approved the scope and the ball was back in the isles court but that the report is submitted and it is back to the town.</p>
<p>I need to strongly disagree with DPS.  Calling the lighthouse a joke and saying Wang has tricked us is pattently ridiculous.  You reference places like Columbus and Pitt. The difference is that those arenas like many many others are downtown.  in Colubus for example an entire shopping and dining district has grown around their arena. What does NVMC have? Papa John&#8217;s across the street.  Wang has lost staggering sums of money since buying the team.  I have no problem with him making the money back.  To suggest that a refurbished coliseum could be done without the lighthouse is silly.  It is unlikely that a building renovation on its own will drastically increase gate receipts and it is even more unlikely that the increase receipts offset the cost of renovation.  The entire package: arena, housing, office space works in a synergistic way, otherwise the coliseum will remain sitting in the middle of an asphalt desert.  Furthermore, how could you not prefer going to a game in a nice area like the lighthouse sketches show where you can get food or go to a bar than the desolate hole where we currently play?  If you think that just doing the coliseum makes any sense from an economic perspective think again.  That is just some farce Kate Murray has fed you to make it look like she is being cooperative.</p>
<p>QUESTION FOR CB OR NICK CLASSIC</p>
<p>How long typically would it take a municipality to review and approve a document like this review?</p>
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