DEADLINE DAY LIVE COMMENTARY
5:00 pm – Our final grade for the Islanders’ deals
5:00 pm – Twelve days ago, Garth Snow traded Chris Campoli and Mike Comrie to Ottawa for a late first round pick and Dean McAmmond. That night, we gave the trade a B.
When you consider 2009 first round picks were thrown around like manhole covers today, and that Campoli played the least amount of minutes of all the dmen on Ottawa last night, you could make the case two weeks later that the Ottawa trade is a B+ for the Islanders.
I thought Bill Guerin for Petr Prucha and a 3rd that could become a 2nd was as good a deal as the Islanders could ever make for their 38-year old, future UFA captain with a no-move clause. Over the weekend, I thought they might be able to squeeze a late second-round pick for Billy. Today, they traded him to Pittsburgh for a 5th that will likely become a 4th, maybe a 3rd (if the Pens win a round).
Twelve days ago, we gave the Islanders a B. Today, they didn’t make any good trades. They also didn’t make any bad or unnecessary trades.
For the period around the trade deadline, we’re giving the Islanders a B.
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4:15 pm – Garth Snow just completed his meeting with reporters from Newsday, the Daily News, Post and Point Blank. Summarizing…
- He took Bill Guerin out of the game Saturday because he had a serious offer from another team just prior to the game. Snow called Guerin’s agent and they mutually agreed keeping Guerin out would be in both parties’ best interest. “The risk of injury was something we all wanted to avoid.”
- Snow said he wasn’t disappointed in the return for Guerin and that he had no preconceived notion of what it would be. “I went in with the mindset I was going to get the best possible deal for the organization.” On Guerin: “He was a great leader for us.”
- The GM refused to discuss deals that did not happen, or came close to happening. We tried to see if he had any frustration with a possible trade partner pulling the rug out on a Guerin deal. We asked if he was angered by any of his colleagues. Snow said no.
- On whether he was disappointed he didn’t do more today, Snow said this was his first experience as a “seller” and added, “As a seller, you can’t make a trade for the sake of making a trade.”
- To that end, Snow hinted that he could possibly cut new deals with some of his prospective free agents. (Our take: Doug Weight would seem to be a logical guess. Maybe Andy Hilbert, too).
- The GM said he wasn’t looking to trade Brendan Witt. “Brendan is what the Islanders are looking to be – tough, plays with heart, selfless.”
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3:25 pm - It’s official. The store is closed. There will be no past-the-deadline Islanders trade announcements. I hope to one day be doing this when there’s a lot more action.
More than 1,000 Comments? Child’s play!
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2:59 pm – Jon Sim sent to Bridgeport. Nate Thompson activated.
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2:57 pm - Bill Guerin on the last few days: “It was a pretty painful process. We thought we had a deal done with another team a couple of days ago.”
Asked if he’ll be a leader in Pitt: “Best you can do is be yourself.”
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2:52 pm – Almost done. No signs of a last-second deal. Seems plans are starting to be made for Garth Snow media availability. Just like this trade deadline, I would not expect much.
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2:40 pm – Still don’t like my offer of Guerin for Prucha and a third that could become a second?
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2:10 pm - Hope I lowered your expectations enough. Guerin to Pitt for a 5th round pick. Becomes a 4 if the Pens make the playoffs, a 3 if they win a round and Billy plays half the games.
Site crashing routinely. It survived Sunday, but I guess this blockbuster put it over the top.
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1:58 – Bill Guerin to the Penguins. Done. Finally. Details on the way.
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1:34 pm – 41-year old Recchi and a 2nd round pick from TB to Boston for Lashoff – exactly the kind of trade many of the readers of this blog are dying for the Islanders to make.
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1:20 pm – Just about everyone reporting Bill Guerin trade is dead. We are not.
What trade are they talking about? Does that mean the Islanders aren’t even trying to trade him for the next 100 minutes?
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1:05 pm – Steve Montador going to Boston (for Nokie) probably eliminates a top trade partner for the Islanders for Radek Martinek, who would have been a perfect fit for the Bruins. Now it doesn’t look like the Islanders will get one of Scott Gordon’s boys from Providence.
Bill Guerin getting traded, any hour now. And if he isn’t, I hope my laptop goes on the Fritz.
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12:38 pm - Now that Miro Satan has cleared waivers, you have to wonder about the value of Bill Guerin. Make no mistake: Guerin is more respected around the game. But tough to picture his value soaring right now.
Suggestion for Islanders fans: pretend your team just traded Chris Campoli – just 16 minutes for Ottawa last night – for a first round pick. The deadline just got more exciting!
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12:05 pm - Three hours to go before a trade must be filed with the league. Now the clock really starts.
The Islanders will have one trade, maybe two. No blockbusters. Probably nothing even major.
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10:45 am, NVMC - In all my years announcing deals for the Islanders, I don’t recall ever announcing one on deadline day before noon.
While Ottawa and Columbus hooked up for one at 10:00 am today, you can believe it was agreed to late last night.
Separate from all that, here’s how a deal is finalized and announced.
1. Teams agree to deal.
2. Teams contact the NHL to register the trade and arrange for a league-moderated conference call.
3. In conference call, the NHL makes sure that all issues of the deal are resolved – bonuses, agreement on conditional draft picks, etc.
4. Once deal is blessed by the league, the players in the deal are told.
5. Teams agree on a time when deal will be “officially” announced. For example, the Islanders and Senators agreed on a 4:30 pm announce time for the Chris Campoli deal.
For the last few years, I recommended to Islanders general managers that around the deadline they tell their players about a pending deal before it goes to the league conference call. Because once it goes to the conference call, TSN and Sportsnet will announce it.
Sure enough, Pascal Leclaire learned this morning he was traded not by the franchise he played hard for, but by TSN.
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8:30 am - Today it comes full circle for us in Room 6, across the hall from the Islanders locker room at the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. Two years ago on deadline day in Room 6, I saw the look on Greg Logan’s face when informed the Islanders had acquired Ryan Smyth. A year ago, my staff hosted Islanders and Penguins reporters to a day of snacks, TSN and wireless in Room 6. Pittsburgh picked up Marian Hossa.
Now I’m back in Room 6 – this time on the other side. All day long, we’ll join the Commentary with the readers of Point Blank.
To be candid, now that it’s deadline day, count on the two Canadian sports networks to break 90% of the deals. Most if not all the time, trade news will be posted by a reader in Comments before I get it. That’s how it works on Shopping Day, when the news of completed trades is often delivered by TSN and Sportsnet before the players even find out.
Guerin for a 3rd, maybe a 2nd.
Please don’t hog the Commentary, is all I ask. I want every reader to feel they can get involved. Dominate the space, and you know what. Thanks…CB
1,372 Responses to DEADLINE DAY LIVE COMMENTARY
5:00 pm – Our final grade for the Islanders’ deals
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Obs says:
Thanks for the insight. See ya in the morning
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UNH Steve says:
looking forward to tommorow’s deals and thursday’s skybox seats
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Marcus says:
I don’t post much, but before I go to bed out here on the west coast I thought all you guys would love this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkQZqDDCQc
I am really looking forward to seeing JT in an Islanders uniform…….
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BillyIsle says:
I would not be upset with either of the projected top 2 picks this year. I’m partial to Hedman though. But lets save draft picks (unless acquired in a trade) for another day. This is the NHL trade deadline=basically the only true excitement(aside from watching the kids develop) we have until the draft lottery! GARTH SNOW..GARTH SNOW..GARTH SNOW
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hextall72 says:
still moving around snow(not garth!!) as we speak, but checking for updates here. too bad i’ll be sleeping all day when all the action is going on.. thanks for the hard work chris.. gonna take me a day or so to read through everything..
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Booten says:
keep it up cb my friends and i love the blog.
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27-Tonelli says:
Hi Chris! Who do you think has the better upside Jesse Joenssu or Trevor Smith?
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DINO says:
I hope they do something
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it’s the most magical day of the regular season- the trade deadline day!!!!!
absolutely shocked that no trades were announced during the night.
we better get more than a 3rd for guerin after this big holdup or else its the longest anti-climatic trade ever!
just pumped to see garth swindle another gm
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Schultz39 says:
Guerin for a 2nd or 3rd would be disappointing to be honest…but not surprising.
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Mike from Oceanside says:
Let the BEST trading deadline transaction day in all of sports begin! I anticipate many deals done today as there are many more buyers today than sellers as compared to years past.
Half of Canada has called in sick to work today.
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19 Isle in NJ 22 says:
Hey CB … Great job keeping us up to date during this … well … very odd trade deadline season… I haven’t posted since Sunday b/c quite frankly I didn’t want to regurgiate the same ole same ole by posting speculation unless something definitively happened … and other than Joensuu’s first goal in his first game … there was nothing really note worthy to comment on while waiting to see what happened with Billy G.
I’ll check in from time to time today … perhaps I’ll have some moves to comment on later when I get home from work … till then I look forward to keeping tabs on what you have to say.
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Coach B says:
Should be an interesting day Chris. This is great you have the live blog today.
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the bomber says:
if we get a 2nd round pick for guerin ill be ok with it, but if we trade our captain for a 3rd rounder, then it shows our GM thinks he’s as washed up as I do. But I think we should keep him, we have lost a lot with him as captain, no reason to start winning now with a month to go before the payoff
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JimintheUK says:
I really wish some trades would start to kick off here. Its killing me here living in the UK and being 5 hours ahead. I have been checking my Ipod and comp. every 10 mins to see if anything has started. I have total trust in Snow to make the right decisions just have to find some desperate GMs to get over on. Good luck Snow.
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IslesFan13inFla says:
CB EXCELENT work over the last few days with all the trade talk. Don’t think it’s gonna be a huge day as far as trades are concerned. How about a trade day “Time Pool”? When will the first chip fall?
Me, I say 1:15PM. Most of these things don’t happen till the GM’s on the left coast have had a pot of coffee.
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Matt Brosseau says:
I wonder how the uncertain economic future of the NHL is affecting the trade environment. Last week, the NBA had to take out an emergency line of credit for ten or so teams that couldn’t meet expenses; and some NHL teams are not in good financial straits either, our Islanders among them.
Perhaps some playoff/bubble teams are holding pat in order not to take on any unnecessary salary or trade for guys who they know they aren’t going to be able to afford come the first of July.
My prediction is that Guerin gets moved for a second or third-rounder…Snow has no leverage anymore, he has to get rid of him for ANY price or Guerin walks for free after the season. Other than that, maybe someone bites at Martinek or Hilbert for a prospect or a pick each.
Unfortunately I’m expecting a quiet deadline day…the last few have been fun though.
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Joey303 says:
Lets go baby!!! im tellin ya 2:59:59 – Hilbert for a 6th rounder – thats all folks
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Cruicky says:
I have TSN on live. I hope this gets Sim and Joey MacD moved out of the Island.
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Quez says:
Somehow I feel as if Garth is going to somehow scam another GM or two, and in a very complicated way, end up with a big name (Jordan Staal anyone?). Hey, I can dream, right?
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AH, Trade Deadline Day is here. My hopes are that we get a solid prospect or two coupled with some more 2nd rounders which we can move on draft day for another #1.
This should be fun.
Hey CB, it’s 8:20am any word of something going on yet?
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alright botta, lets drop the puck…
i say after today we have no guerin, no weight and no sim. and in return we have a 2nd rounder a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder….
that is it. i hope bouwmeister sticks in FLA, a would draft tavares and back the truck up for him on July 1…
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Bob Bassen says:
If we get a player in return in anything that *may* occur today, please let it be someone that is nasty AND can play…sucks that the only *option* the Isles have for a game like tomorrow is to call-up Fritz. Knowing Gordon, he prolly won’t bring him up anyway. Saw the Flyers/Bruins game last night…wow are the Islanders S M a l l……
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Commodore says:
We should keep Martinek. Trading him makes zero sense. Thanks.
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Jeff in NH says:
CB, thanks for all you hard work so far and in advance for whats to come today. Your blog is first class.
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Fred says:
Does it make sense for the Islanders to go after a player like Kovalchuk or Bouwmeester in a sign and trade scenario. Both are still relatively young and look like they would fit into what they are doing on the Island. Additionally, I think the Islanders need that big name that fans can relate to. Both fill that bill.
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islestherapy says:
commodore … martinek does not figure into this team’s future … trading him for a pick makes all the sense in the world. trade him while he’s healthy.
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kevin fitz says:
Fred,
The best scenario for the Isles to sign a big name player like Jay-bo or Kovie would be on July 1. We would have to give up too much of our future to make the trade for either of them. Plus, I do not think either of them will sign here. I pray I am wrong, but that is just my feeling. -
eye on the island says:
we have to trade either witt or martinek if we want the young guys to play- w/ sutton on the books for next year and meyer coming back this year we are about to have too many vets in the way.
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I disagree about Marty, he fits Gordon’s system perfectly, is inexpensive, and our best two-way dman. He can help guys like Hillen learn the defensive game. Trading him away for a 2nd rounder is not the right deal. With Marty’s annual injury, you offer a youngster a spot every year. It’s a win-win. You keep your best dman and still give time to the up and comers.
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Patrick Flatleaver says:
Sutton frustrates me. For a big guy, he sure is frail. He’s very affective when healthy.
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Jromo says:
Bottom line, let’s just not have a repeat of last year where we balked on trades (Satan) and got nothing in return for these guys.
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jonsson3 says:
i say we retire #91 in honor of butch goring
and give tavares #92. i see #91 and i can’t help but see goring and his cheesy helmet with his long hair hanging out the back. it’s gonna bother me to see another #91. anyone else feel the same way? -
Big Dog says:
I like Marty, problem is that he is 32. By the time we are ready to make a run, he’ll be 34-35. No reason to block a blue line prospect with him. Now all we need are blue line prospects….
Actually, I think Hillen has looked GREAT. See what can happen when a spot opens up (Sutton)? Sometimes the kid steps up and takes it! Not used to that on the Island the last few years.
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Izzy Franchise says:
jonsson3…no because we’re not gonna get Tavares
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admin says:
Good morning, everyone. Let me make this the first of probably many times over the next few hours where I declare there is no news to report.
First piece of misinformation in Comments stated as fact for the day: the Islanders could not find any takers for Miro Satan last year, not even for a 5th round draft pick. A year later, Pittsburgh puts Miro on waivers. There seems to be a trend. The Islanders had one final-hour offer for Ruslan Fedotenko for not much, but the other GM went elsewhere.
Two notes: as much as I know it takes readers away from my site, please remember what I posted in the main – that now that it’s deadline day expect most if not all trades to be broken on TSN or Sportsnet.
And the odds of the Islanders acquiring a big name today, and then getting that big name to sign a long-term extension with them today, are about 1-in-1,000.
So there is a chance…CB
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thats ok izzy. but why do you say that? you think we’re gonna pick hedman?
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Ed J says:
Good Luck CB, its going to be a looong fun day and I am sure EPSN will not care cause it hates hockey ( cept for Linda Cohn but shes a rags fan but at lease she loves hockey )
anyways….
HAPPY HOCKEY TRADING DEADLINE DAY!!!!
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Jonsson3 – i think it’ll be hedman or duchene. we’re not getting that first pick so we all shouldnt get so excited.
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What of the comments made last night on Versus by some of the commentators regarding the Islanders and playing only 17. They were raising concerns about the Islanders not playing their best possible line up because Guerin was healthy and they still scratched him because of a potential trade. They were raising question to the NHL about possibly investigating the Islanders. Have there been any words or concerns around NVMC regarding this topic?
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Fred.. hard to investigate. They have the worst record with their best lineup, and are winning without it.
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Pete M says:
Well then they better investigate Phoenix for sitting Morris the last week. Not only that, they won both games that Guerin sat out so not much of an argument IMHO.
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valentino says:
Fred
This wasnt just an ISLANDERS problem, although they did start it. Most the teams brokering trades for a player on thier roster followed suit and sat the player. I guess no one wanted to have a Doug Weight situation where their most marketable asset gets hurt.
If the NHL has a problem with it, most the league is guilty, not just the Isles.
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why wont we get the first pick?
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Larry Ziegler says:
Tampa,Toronto,Phoenix,Florida,washington all sat players for trade reasons
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because we’re the Islanders.
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CB, I heard a rumor that the Islanders might call up some of Bridgeports tough guys. Either Pascal Morency or Mike Haley. Have you heard anything?
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IncarceratedBOB says:
Lets Go Islanders !!!!!!!!!lets get some trades going Garth
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Will77 says:
CB: What are the odds the Isles could put about 3(or more) picks together to jump into around the #5 pick?
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Will77,
we need to give up SJ’s first round pick and bailey or okposo to get in the top 5 again. -
This is the Islanders Official Trade Deadline wish List :
1.Getting a Defensive Prospect (ie.O’Bryne From MTL)
2.Getting a 2nd ,and a 3rd are a must for today.When todays over we must have a 2nd & a 3rd at least
3.Getting Some size-Upfront.Now if we accomplish these three goals when trading today i will consider it a success….Remember we have obtained a late 1st round pick already
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JoeRiverside says:
The Devils radio announcers were complaining thet teams that don’t put their best team on the ice (i.e. sitting players like Islanders, Toronto and Phoeniz have) impact the playoff race. Thinking being that they are playing against teams in the race. They thought that maybe NHL will review this. I say bull to that. Hockey should be a free market. NHL shouldn’t force teams to play everyone. The Islanders et al have a right to protect their best interests/assets (ensure player in pending trade doesn’t get injured). The Islanders have to do what is best for the Islanders, not helping someone get into the playoffs. For teams needing to get into the payoff round, I have one word. WIN.
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Wedregast says:
I bet by 3pm, Guerin is gone for either a 2/3rd pick; and Hilbert is gone for either a 4/5th. I think otherwise, Martinek is the only other Islander that might go, but probably won’t unless a team is desperate enough to take a flyer on him at 2:59
Its going to be quiet until after noon.
As for us getting the first pick… I’m going to set myself on us getting 2nd or 3rd. So if we end up with Hedman or Duchene I won’t be disappointed, but if we get 1st and Tavares I can be overjoyed.
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trippstar says:
Burke in Toronto held out Antropov and at least one other possible player to trade yesterday. So its not just snow doing this.
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Islander505 says:
FWIW
For those of you who are “embarassed” by the Guerin situation….i.e. making him sit the last two games..The following players were “healthy scratches” last night.
Toronto- Antropov and Moore
TB-Recchi and Malik
Wash- Nylander
CMH- Peca
Fla- Boynton
Atl-PerrinMost or all will be moved in some way today.
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Adam M. says:
Izzy: We might get the first pick and still lose the lottery for all we know. If that’s the case, worst we can do is draft #2 as I understand it.
I wouldn’t be too upset drafting Duchene. The kid is incredible. Great hands.
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For those worried that Atlanta is losing and the Islanders are winning, and that might impact finishing last, the Islanders go on a very hard 6 game road trip next week. We have won all of 6 games on the road this year. SIX!! Lets watch the young guys get experience, and enjoy!!
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Robert says:
After four days of torture, please something of significance!! Guerin has been sitting for 4 days, then they say Weight probably going with him, and before it was known Hunter was hurt, he left (Guerin style) after a pre-game skate…. I thought we would lave landed Gretzky by now!! Best case scenario today, my wish list includes a first round pick and/or an “A” list prospect!!
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Cody says:
I’m feeling cautiously optimistic today. 6:09 on the west coast but it’s all good. Everyone likes to talk about Boston, Montreal, the big buyers, but nobody’s talking about teams like Nashville, Carolina, Florida, Buffalo, Minnesota, Dallas, and many others.
As trades start to happen, these teams, each of them a contender, are going to look to acquire players. There’s too many buyers and too few sellers for me to believe any of these “Guerin for a 3rd” type of rumors.
I think… I hope we’re going to be very happy with Garth today.
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I understand the excitement of today (and potential dissapointment), but any ‘torture’ that’s being had is set off by yourself my friend. -
avolp55TURGEONFICHAUD says:
Wow- cannot believe its Wednesday at 9:15 am and Bill Guerin is still an Islander!? It is safe to say at least half of us have completely wasted at least a third of our time since Saturday wondering about what our return might be. Given the delays and the obvious problems getting a deal to go through, I have a feeling todays draft day may not even include Bill Guerin. To be quite honest, if its a 3rd rd pick, I’d rather have BG stick out the last 20 games of the yr and continue to help out the young guys. Nobody has claimed Guerin is a stud, because he’s not, but he isn’t a slouch. Anything less than a 2nd round pick for an NHL captain would raise some serious ? IMO.
Also, I feel Martinek could be on his way out. Could be the ONLY islander we deal! It’s hard to argue with his value as a true Isles fan, Radek is the most underrated player I’ve seen in my life. I view the Martinek situation as a win-win. We have him under contract (GREAT DEAL) for another 2 years I think, so I would love to keep him. Also, as CB noted the NHL has taken notice of Radek and our return could be as high as a 2nd rounder (can you believe- an equal return for Guerin and Martinek??). At this point, due to Radek’s age and the fact that his services are in demand, as an Islander fan I think you can be willing to part with Martinek (espescially if Witter stays).
Also, I think Witt will stay depending on the offer and I do not think Snow can move Weight unless he packages him with Guerin or another player.
Either way this goes down, LETS GO ISLES!
KEEP IT UP CB- WE LOVE YOU
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Cody, good point. With very few sellers this year, supply and demand should be in the islanders favor. Let’s hope so anyway.
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cgs878 says:
Good luck in Room 6 today, Chris. Thank you for all of your efforts to get us the “behind the scenes” information on the Islanders.
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kevin fitz: most likely, but if we offered SJ’s first, Ottawas first, and Bostons 2nd, I think a team would have to think it over
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isles3113 says:
i would be upset with a 3rd rounder for guerin, snow should pull for a 2nd
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Kevin fitz: We don’t own Ottawas first.
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doc says:
Why would you trade Hilbert for a 4/5th round pick. Makes no sense. A guy like Hilbert who is willing to do his job, fill the role he fills and competes EVERY NIGHT is hard to find.
Essentially you would be just giving the guy away.
He’s a keeper.
The ONLY reason he’s included in a deal I think, is if it’s in a package with another player going to a team in order to make the deal work.
DOC
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Wil77, we dont have Ottawa’s 1st round pick
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Dennis Vaske says:
Is it possible I saw Garth Snow at the LI Marriot late last night?
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I would only take a 3rd if we were also getting a good prospect. I might even just prefer a top 5 prospect on any team.
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I know, Adam. Will77 said we have Ottawa’s first pick, not me
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james says:
Post 71 Doc. I think Hilbert is a ufa this summer. Might as well try and get something for him. Then maybe tr and sign him in the offseason
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mrlbem says:
You can only receive sportsnet’s live streaming coverage if you’re in Canada and TSN requires me to download some microsoft program, which my work computer will reject. So, I guess I’m stuck here clicking “refresh” every few minutes. Hey, better to be with friends, right?
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Good point James.
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You can trade Hilbert for a pick because he is UFA. If you can get a decent pick, trade him and sign him in July.
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nystrom23 says:
I wish we could already see a trade today so far the most boring deadline day in recent memory
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Agreed Doc…the only way Hilbert is moved today is if he is a “pot sweetener”.
Like Witt, I think Snow will demand too high a draft pick (mid 2md) for him in a straight trade.
And no one will go that high cuz Andy is a UFA. (Whom I think Garth should be comfortable in getting to re-sign if he wants him..Andy is a “family” guy…professionally and personally). -
John says:
Islanders trade teamed sponsored blog to the Rangers for Sean Avery and 1st rd pick.
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i4e11 says:
Trades never start until at least 11. The lack of activity at 9:30 AM is and has always been the status quo.
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MikeF says:
Maybe now that Kaberle is off the market, Martinek comes up people’s charts. He’s not the offenseive stud Kaberle is, but his skating & puck handling could be a big plus for buyers.
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Mopits says:
I would love to see another first round pick come to us somehow. Then we could package the 2 #1′s and next years # 1 to whomever has the second pick (or first if we come in second) and we grab Tavares AND Hedman. It would be a lot to give up but considering we have 3 seconds, we’d be in good position still get talent AND get two franchise players at two diff spots. Think Garth has the stones to do that???
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lol completely my bad, I’m only half paying attention while I’m here at work. I was thinking “I guess we got SJ’s first a while back and I forgot about it”, not that the deal with Ottawa is how we got it. Channeling my inner Homer Simpson: D’Oh!
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Bri on Li says:
Thanks again CB for giving my wife another reason to think I’m crazy. Happy TD Day!
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jay says:
I would do Guerin for a 2nd rd pick.
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JPinVA says:
Hilbert: They have Park signed for next year, and tambellini may be the “new hilbert”. If 2009-10 is going to be a year of growth, then andy needs to be off the island. Guys like Park, Bergenhiem, Jackman, Okposo, Hunter and Colliton can all be PKers next year and every one of them has more offensive upside than Andy.
I think Andy has made great strides this year, but he’s a UFA, and there’s no reason to tie up his roster spot with 3 or 4 potential 3rd/4th liners in the system. We need to start getting folks on this team that can score 20 goals or show some toughness so others can. A third rounder for Andy would be fine.
If they love him that much they’ll bid for him in July. -
Bri on Li…
Ya want your wife to really think you’ve gone over the edge?
Sit naked in front of your computer, one hand in your lap and yell out “Woo-Hoo” every 30 minutes or so.
Believe me….it works!! -
With Pronger off the market
BRENDAN WITT’S VALUS HAS JUST RISEN !!!!
This Islander fans can be the key to us having a very good deadline. BRENDAN WITT is now back in play -
Will77, the Isles traded Campoli and Comrie to Ottawa for Mcammond and SJ 1st round pick. Ottawa had SJ 1st
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Tim says:
Why is Pronger off the market?
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Looks like this market is CLOSED. Someone flip the sign.
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cb..so there is a chance. love the dumb/dumber reference. now i’ll go lick a street light.
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Jim says:
I think you are right Cruicky. Teams are now trying to sign guys they were rumored to be trading last week. That should tell everyone that the “buyers” aren’t offering much to the “sellers”. The only way it’ll change is if somebody makes a huge move (Bouwmeester, etc.) and all of the other teams panic.
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Another D off the market… P.Kuba resigned.
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JPinVA: Agree that Hilbert is not a key component for the future, but disagree when you say Jackman, Park have more offensive upside. I see all three in the same category – necessary role players that all teams need. I like Jackman, because he provides some protection on the ice (not afraid to drop gloves with the other team’s enforcer).
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IncarceratedBOB… good point, i could def see Witt for a 1st rounder possibly now that Pronger is off the market… and it doesn’t seem like Kaberle is going anywhere either… although i love Witt and his physical presence, a 1st rounder would def have to blow Garth Snow’s mind… i’m just guessing a 1st rounder btw
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Madchef says:
Ghost town here at the deadline……..WTF
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Why is Pronger off the market?
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Josh says:
The market isn’t closed. Trades usually don’t occur until 11AM — when the Western GMs arrive in their offices. Sheesh!
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I’d like to throw two things out there as we wait for the trades to start trickling in:
1. With Kaberle hurt and Pronger off the market, wouldn’t the value of Martinek or even (*gasp*) Witt go up? What if Florida decided to keep JayBo and push for the playoffs? That’s the three top defensemen who have been mentioned as being available not changing teams. Campoli (if you value Comrie and McAmmo as mutual salary dumps) got a 1st. Schneider, who was born in the 1960s, got a 2nd and a 3rd. Both us and the Thrashers got these returns while Pronger, Kaberle, and JayBo were all still very much in play. The value is going to be high for teams willing to part with quality D-Men.
2. Seeing how many players got scratched yesterday to avoid injury before the trade deadline, and Kaberle’s hand affecting his trade value to the point where many speculate Burke is just going to keep him, is it possible the whole Guerin scenario could be… good for the team? If Guerin gets a good return, (mid-round 2nd & B+ prospect) Snow will have done three things by scratching our captain:
1. Letting other teams know he’s available.
2. Avoiding an injury before the deadline
And, most importantly:
3. Getting free advertising for what he’s selling.I know this team likes getting creative with stuff like this, (15-year deals, anyone?) but seeing as other teams picked up and copied what Garth did, perhaps the Guerin situation, though frustrating for us fans, was brilliant. Or maybe he’ll get Washington’s third and we can go back to questioning why we cheer for this team in the first place.
P.S. There’s a commercial on TSN where a cute little dog has sex with a balloon animal and then falls out a window. I <3 Canada.
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I really don’t want to see Witt leave, he is one of the few that WANT to be here and LIKES it here – I know it’s a business but sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make.
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Trade: Vernette for P.LeClair
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FIRST TRADE*****
vermette has been traded to columbus FOR Pascal
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LOL 103 – Sheesh,
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tommy says:
Great trade by Ottawa
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Mike B. says:
Rip off! Vermette is a 2nd/3rd liner, Pascal Leclaire is a #1 goalie.
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nice trade
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Eric W. says:
#106- Mehhh…better for Ottowa then Columbus….
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aim says:
Cody 104 The only problem I have with the whole Guerin thing is that he was pulled out of the lineup at game time. If he was scratched like all of the other players were normal business….Pulling him and playing down a man for the game just heightened the drama and left the NYI looking like….well the NYI of the last 10 years
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Columbus got fleeced
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Let the deadline begin!!!
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Cody 104 – you what Canada???
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Chris H says:
Ottawa also got a second round pick on that one
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Fot Ottawa? Better for Columbus. They get a player for someone who sits on the bench, frees up cap space. The Sens my be banking too much!
Wait… heard Ott got a 2nd Rounder as well Thats a better deal.
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second round pick added to the deal per tsn. Both teams get what they need there
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Mike says:
Ottawa is going to win the East next year…put it in the books.
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Ottawa got a 2nd round also
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Leclaire is injured and probably out for the season.
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its a steal for ottawa
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Maybe some deals are slowed because of all the players placed on waivers yesterday. At noon we will know their status (Sim,ect..).
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aim 113 That’s what’s so (potentially) brilliant about it. It was advertising. Garth knew if he pulled Guerin at the last moment and had him leave the arena, people would talk. There’s a reason this site has hit some of it’s best traffic: hockey fans, not just NHL fans, suddenly became curious as to where Guerin was going and what the return might be. There’s no such thing as bad press, and nobody can deny the amount of press Guerin has got over the last couple days.
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Ottawa, even when they were good did not have first class goaltending. Good move for Ottawa for next year and beyond.
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Ottawa would win the trade if Pascal Leclaire wasn’t like another DP, hurt half the time. Thats probably why Ottawa also got a 2nd round pick.
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Michael says:
That is an awful deal by Howson(CBJ GM). His team is sitting in the playoffs and he’s starting to lose the lid. You don’t trade a No. 1/1A goalie for Antoine Vermette. Are you kidding me? And you throw in a 2nd rounder as well?
He just got bent over. If I’m Snow, i’m on the phone with this idiot 5 minutes ago with the potential trade of Guerin!
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LOL its a heart, Cruicky.
” <3 U” means “I (eye) love (heart) You (U)”
And on that note, I <3 Brendan Witt and I do NOT want to see him voted off the Island.
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JP39 says:
Steal for Ottawa maybe, but Leclaire is very injury prone and was expendable to Columbus because they have arguably the best young goalie in the league, and probable Rookie of the Year in Steve Mason
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Rich says:
(127) since CLB traded his second rounder in the trade it highly unlikely that we would be able to trade Guerin to them. Also, The trade isnt that bad, MAson is going to be the starter for that team for the forseable future not to mention Leclaire is hurt more often that DP.
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For Ottawa the risk was not too high.
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I have to sitdown with my kids and get them to teach me this texting lingo.
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potvin05 says:
Guerin would not Ok a trade to Columbus, not to mention they don’t have a second round pick anymore.
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Bobby says:
Columbus got vermette and a pick, Ottawa didn’t recieve a pick. It was a 2nd rounder
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per tsn bobby Ottawa got the 2nd round pick, not columbus
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Sens DID get a # 2
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isles316 says:
Columbus gave up a lot. LeClare could have a come back year.
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Meh. Easy for a goalie to look good in the Hitchcock system. LeClare is ok but you need a Broudeur to win with the awful defense in Ottawa. Most valuable asset in that deal is the #2 pick.
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Is LeClaire that good…? That he could transform Ottawa next season? I have to be honest… I don’t know enough about him. He seems to be hurt a lot though.
DOC
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C.J. says:
The 2nd rounder to OTT slants the deal in their favor. I do love Vermette, but Leclaire is a good goaltender as well.
I’m very surprised by the 2nd rounder.
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duff says:
bingo Doc…he’s hurt all the time and could be a product of a defensive system.
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This was the email i got from sportsnet…..my bad
Ottawa Senators get:
– Pascal Leclaire
Columbus Blue Jackets get:
– LW Antoine Vermette
– 2nd round pickMore at sportsnet.ca.
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Don’t know if this was posted, Buffalo re-signs Tim Connolly.
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UIF says:
Leclaire played great last year…for some reason I watched a lot of Columbus games last season on Center Ice. It wasn’t just the system, the guy stood on his head in a lot of games. I haven’t watched them much this year, but guess he hasn’t done nearly as well and rookie Mason took the starting job.
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guerin13 says:
the 2nd was thrown in b/c leclaire is very injury prone. i thought it was a fair deal. both team solve needs, if leclaire stays healthy.
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reports from tsn and sportsnet said that connoly DID NOT re-sign, and actually left HSBC arena in a huff.
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Bobby saw the same thing, that TC left the arena. Rumors of a 3 way trade between FLA, PHIL and BUF.
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Gary says:
27-Tonelli (#8)- IMO JJ has the bigger upside. He looked pretty good against the Avs.
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Swan says:
Eh. I understand’s CLB pov. They are finally driving into the playoffs and they get a Top 6 forward they normally wouldn’t have had a chance to get in Vermette because of his down season.
LeClaire is clearly the back up in CLB. He is a starter and is young, but he is not an elite tender right now. CLB just got a young 25 goals scorer for a backup goaltender.
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Connolly did not leave in a huff, they said it is an optional practice,have been watching the whole time
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tsn reported tim connelly yanked from practice….they need a goalie. clemmenson??
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Ha ha… Pascal was just interviewed on TSN. Supposedly, he found out that he was traded by watching TSN.
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Paul in Canada says:
I have to laugh at #56. Devils announcers complaining about teams not icing their best available guys. Remember when the Devils started Clemenson against the Isles in what would be a shootout deciding game for the last playoff spot? The Leafs weren’t too happy about that. The Devils have short memories – especially Chico.
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150 do you REALLY think that people in the hockey world had no clue Guerin was unhappy until Logan mentioned it? No way!
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Matt S says:
Trade Martinek for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Keep Witt for much needed size and physical presence to help out the youngsters. I have no idea why some people are so willing to lose Witt. Streit can’t play every shift.
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Scott, East Meadow Long Island says:
Just read that Calgery is offering up their 1st Rd Pick for a Dmen – Lets hope Snow picks up the phone….
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Deals start trickling in after 12:00 est …so guys just be calm & when you see all these defensemen being either resigned by there teams or (Like Pronger) taken off the market by there GM’S , Then that make our 2 guys WITT & IR MARTINEK Much more appealing for a desperate GM….
Im telling you guys WITT will get more back then Guerin so everyone uptight about Guerin….Just chill because we are not getting more then a 3rd & now that the story about his discontent with Gordan came out-that actually hurt his value, every GM Now knows NO WAY SNOW CAN HAVE HIM BACK…
So thank Mr.Logan for breaking that story at this time of the year-Every GM knows Guerin is done on the island , so why pony up a 1st or a 2nd-They will offer Low & Snows hands are tied big time…
Why do you think the team backed out Saturday Night ???? That mystery team was ready to pull trigger , then that GM prbly recognized he was offering to much…THANKS LOGAN !!! U IDIOT !
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cp oakville says:
When was there a team Guerin was really happy to play for, for his full contract?
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Brian Burke goes on TSN and announces Moore + Antropov will be traded.
Kinda puts the whole Logan article into perspective, eh?
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Nyles says:
man this is exciting . . . where’s the action?
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Looks like the children have the day off.
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Islesnut says:
Seriously, what in the world was Greg Logan thinking? Now he can write an article bashing Snow about this is all he got for so and so?
Greg, you can write that because you caused it…
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damn Logan for doing his job!!!!
relax everyone, and enjoy the festivities
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Rumor has Felix Potivin is comming out of retirement too
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GMs aren’t stupid. Do you think that they listen to podunk little newspaper stories/blogs? Riiiight.
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SS says:
Guerin’s value has more to do with the number of teams who want him than whether the Isles want him back. It’s obvious to everyone, regardless of Logan’s story, that the Isles would be better served trading him than keeping him.
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Julie says:
165: Seriously. What happened to people getting booted if they don’t follow the Comments guidelines?
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If Logan was doing his job, he would have reported the discontent two months ago when it happened, not a week before the trade deadline.
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And regardless of whether Logan reported it or not, word gets around the league quickly.
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Tim Connolloy signed w Buffalo – 2 yr deal $9m
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Dan says:
It’s funny that while we’re all talking about teams worrying about the cap GM’s are signing Tim Connolly to $4.5 mil /yr deals.
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Agreed 4.5 high for Connolly, but he is a good citizen. Point a game, when healthy and BUF lost key FA stars the past few years.
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cant believe he got so much. thats a lot for a hurt player who is always hurt. tsn reorted it.
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updated with minor details on how trades get finalized and announced…CB
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TuxTax says:
The only problem I have with Logan and the Cablevision owned newspaper that shall not be named is that when a story is written about an Islander positive, its a cookie cutter 1/4 page story. But with anything negative about the team they get a full spread with color and multiple viewpoints from the Ranger fans…err…reporters…ehhhh…Ranger fans acting as reporters.
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Connolly is SO not worth 4.5 annually.
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Matt says:
Seriously, don’t blame Logan he is just doing his job. If this did actually happen which I suspect and have suspected all along you can blame our wonderful coach for talking to the press. I have stated this numerous times and been blasted for it on this blog for being “negative”. Gordon screwed up and should have kept his mouth shut. He is to blame, not Logan, you can’t get mad at a fish for swimming.
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Connolly has the ability for that kind of money, but not the stamina.
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Giaco says:
Pronger, Nieds, Bou, Connolly, Kuba – all not being moved.
We should see Martinek or Witt moved due to lack of D on the market.
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Dominick from Wake Forest, NC says:
What else could Buffalo do- given all of the players they keep losing. They had to offer him that kind of money.
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Eh. Guerin and Weight make close to 4.5 per. Rather have Connolly than Guerin (rather have Weight than Tim).
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Rags are interested in bringing in Recchi
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I was just thinking the same thing Swan. LOL! Once again I repeat Gordon is to blame!
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Since alot of these guys are not being moved value has risen with our guys
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Mikey says:
Well, maybe the Columbus deal is an indication that Dougie Weight is off the market. For months, there have been rumours that Columbus was trying to swing a deal for Weight. I think Ottawa picked their pockets. I can’t believe they got a 2nd in addition to Leclaire for a player who will be a UFA in a year.
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Tell that to Bill Guerin # 191. The guy has waited patiently after being yanked from the lineup Saturday.
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now # 189…i guess 2 got removed
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R Farina says:
Boy am I a loser. I name my kids after ex hockey players and then force them to live in squalor and feed them nothing but franks and beans. But I DID win the first 7th man contest!
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Leclaire has never played more than 54 games in a season. He’s more injury prone than Martinek. Columbus threw him in to get rid of his salary.
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Phil says:
Interesting stuff on the trade process…Keep up the good work!
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Hey Rog.
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It will pick up after 12, thats when those players on waivers clear and can be sent to the minors to clear cap room.
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dedshark says:
with pronger off the market… you think any teams would look more into witt or martinek??
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isles72 says:
pretty silly that the league schedules games on deadline day
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Billy Jaffe is going to be on NHL Live at noon.
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LooNTooNs says:
Jaffe was on “Hockey Fantasy” last night on NHL network. Hes great, I just hope they dont take him away from us!
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blitz says:
CB,
Thanks for the new updates that provide some ‘technical’ information on the processing of trades.
I know many fans just want names/picks/players to chew on, but the technical side is the ‘true value’ to the site…
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199 isles72: Agreed, silly to have games when so many trades go down. It could be worse the deadline was supposed to be the 3rd. They changed it to the 4th because there was like 12 games yesterday.
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ohhh they will. hes as good as gone…
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BlankMan says:
pho & calgary deal
almost done Olii Jokinen going to calgary
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Now it starts. Calgary adding Jokinen makes a great team even greater.
There’s 14 other teams in the West, let’s say 11 that are realistic buyers. Someone’s gotta get desperate soon, I just hope Garth is on the other end of the line when that happens.
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Boy, Olli would make Calgary a real contender out West…if Kiprusoff can get hot they could make it to the Campbell Conference finals easy.
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DyingofDeath says:
I have learned a lot from these posts today. (1)There really is a strong fan base for our islanders regardless of the amount of people that can ever make it to the NVMC for a game that isn’t against the rangers or on a saturday. (2)Most Of you people arent gm’s or coaches or scouts for a reason!(3) Thank god you for number 2
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Yeah everyone is trembling because Jokinnen is on Calgary. LOL. This site gets more ridiculous by the second. Guy has never even been in the playoffs!
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Unfortunatley, I don’t think the Islanders have the players other teams want, I think all of us Isles fans are going to be disappointed come 3:30pm eastern time
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Isn’t that the truth incarcaratedBOB. Excellent!
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The Islanders have nobody that anybody wants. This will be a quiet day. Guerin will be back in the lineup on Thursday night.
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Vukota says:
Where are all of these out of state trolls coming from?
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Smith77 says:
My predictions are that Guerin and Martinek get traded and that’s it. I think, as CB stated, we’ll get a 3rd or maybe a 2nd for Guerin. I think Guerin’s value has dropped now that the league knows he’s going to get traded and we’re trying to unload him. I think Martinek will get traded also, just a hunch.
I don’t see Hilbert getting traded. Even though he is a UFA, I think Gordon likes him and he plays a lot of different situations on this team. I think Weights injury will keep him off of the trade wire. Same with Sillinger. I don’t see Witt getting moved, nor do I think we should move him.
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Leopold to Calgary
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Calgary definitely improved, assuming Jokinen picked up. Leopold much better than Morris, who was rumored.
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2 Vukota’s???? Let’s dance!!!!
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vukota I always have your back, but not on that one. haha
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That’s an imposter
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Moose says:
Doesn’t guerin and comrie make 4.5 mil, its fine that he’s making that much, buffalo won’t regret it like the rags with gomez and drury
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Well, if I were to emulate any man, it would be you Vukota. I have to say he has good taste.
As for trades, the next few hours should be fun.
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felix says:
at least there is closure at some point today.
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Ha 316. A little creepy but funny. Jk….
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TXNYI says:
CB – So is Garth taking these trade calls with a group of people around him including guys like Jankowski or is he just by himself in his office? I assume that he has a computer in front of him with the Isles notes on all players on all teams, including prospects in case he needs some quick info, right? Just wondering how this whole thing works from his side. Here’s hoping he makes some good deals today. All quiet so far….
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James says:
Man there are a bunch of sad sad pessimistic people on this blog. Geez really lol, this isnt the managment of th mid 90′s.
Get over it and think positive, if you think negative thoughts, then the negative will happen
So to me, if something doesnt go down I am blaming all of you pessimistic people
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Pete DeBenedetto says:
I teach thrid grade here in Jersey and in between reading and math lessons we check the trade tracker on TSN…..Higher Education at its best.
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Matt (219) you do realize that Jokinen has averaged 75 pts a season over te past 5 years and 84 pts a season over the past 3…He’s a first line player and to think that he doesn’t improve any team he goes to is rediculous, the only reason hes never been in the playoffs is because he’s played on the terrible panters for a majority of hs career. You are seriously underestimating his abilities!
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I’m guessing Snow is sking upstate somewhere and he has Curtis the janitor working the phones.
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hmm i guess 219 was deleted lol, 209 then
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How is it that Garth Snow hasn’t done a thing yet? Man.. looks like were stuck with these overpaid geisers.
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Relax Mike. It’s only noon. What is wrong with some of you?
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yea I agree, Jokinen is a really good addition to Calgary
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nickystix says:
TSN-Jordan Leopold to the Calgary Flames for Lawrence Nycolat, a prospect and a draft pick
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What’s wrong with me is that these guys have been available for weeks, Guerin pulled 4 days ago.. and yet he’s still not traded! What am I supposed to think? Snow has absolutely no idea what he is doing. It’s comical!
BTW, CB, keep up the great work. Awesome!!!!
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James, I love your optimism and glad you will not change. And there are reasons to see the glass as half full.
Too early for me to tell we are out of the mismanagement period. Clearly, we are not as bad as the mid/late 90s. But we are just a year into yet another coaching/system change. Another last place finish. Another worst attendance record in hockey.
For the next year or two, will have to live with a coach who is learning as he goes (e.g., he will never have separate meetings with prospects and undercut his captain again in his coaching career), a GM who is cutting his teeth, an owner who is also learning as he goes (e.g., Wang won’t have that hockey committee again in his ownership career).
Can’t fault long-time fans who are taking a wait and see. Because we and the Franchise has been here before. It is not the first coaching change, not the first rebuild, not the first last place finish in hockey, not the first upcoming #1 or #2 draft pick, not the first rebuilding roster of decent looking prospects like KO and Bailey.
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Danny from Section 306 says:
Of the top 25 players available, as written by TFP.com, the islanders are interested in exactly zero (0) of them.
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AM says:
Keenan knows what he’s getting with Jokinen.
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Mike 230: What are you talking about? They arent “stuck” with anything, and if they are able to trade Bill Guerin at all it is because of HIS generosity to this organization and absolutely nothing else- because Garth cant do a thing unless Bill himself decides to let him. That is what a NMC is. But how do you show your gratitude for Billy even considering something that he by NO means has to even think about? You bash the guy. That is just wrong.
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Danny (236): The teams that go for the top players at the draft deadline do so because they are making cup runs. Do the Islanders look like they are making a cup run to you?
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last post. Not saying it was a bad addition to Calgary but to say that trade is going to drive the value of Witt up I think is a stretch. He is a good player.
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That’s because we are sellers Daniel. Hello!!!!
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Tony F. says:
Hey Michael (234), who signed Streit?
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Ugh, I’m tired of listening to the TSN guys. Off to NHL Live… go!
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The Isles will make two or three minor trades. If someone offers a first rounder for Witt, he might go also.
It’s only 12pm. Im watching Jaffe on NHL Live.
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I agree, Guerin is a great guy. He decicded to come to a miserable franchise. I would hope if they trade him he might possibly re-sign here next yr. He likes long island.
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BR says:
Who is reporting that the Flames picked-up Jokinen? It’s definitely not on TSN.
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Isles is that what Jaffe said about the Isles?
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Jay he decided to come here because we gave him more then anybody else. That’s the only reason he came here. Who are we kidding?
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Jon Sim and Satan cleared Waivers according to TSN
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Gary9-19-22 says:
get a 2nd rounder for Guerin… on draft day trade all the Isles picks to whomever has the number 2 pick….. why not? Basically 4 picks in the 1st and 2nd round plus all low rounds for an #2 overall pick.
On draft day make the first two picks, pack your bags and go drink some beer….
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No, im just guessing, he is on now. Ill put up what he or anyone says on this show.
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Wasn’t Nycholat just claimed on waivers? Wow he could have just been claimed. Now calgary just ripped them off.
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Don Barzini says:
Anyone else get the feeling today is going to be a whole-lotta-nuthin’ as far as the Islanders go? I mean, I am sure they will make a deal or two but it just won’t match the excitement that has been had around here the last few days. That would be typical, right?
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same here I have the radio show on right now.
Remember with all the cap issues of teams that are rumored to want the Isles players, they have to move cap space FIRST before the Isles even come into play.
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Buffalo acquires Tellgvist for a 4th rounder from PHO
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Akeem says:
Looks like tellqvist has 4th round value. Why not Joey Mac?
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Looks like nobody picked up Sim off waivers. I’m not suprised; we’ll probably buy him out in June.
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wow says:
I like how people are bashing Snow about not making any moves yet. Very funny. As if he can just call teams and demand 1st or 2nd round picks and they will just say duh ,,okay. Anyone ever think maybe the other teams are trying to low ball Garth and he doesn’t want to give players away for a 3rd if he can hold out for a 2nd? Just because you want him to rush into a deal doesn’t make it the right thing to do. Believe it or not he actually knows more about what’s going on in negotiations than you do.
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Well said wow
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If we make a small deal I hope it’s for a legit heavyweight.
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I understand that we’re not going for any cups – but trading for a scorer and signing him long term, IMO, is a step in the right direction. We can only have so many picks for so many years…
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Kings re-sign Odonnell and Ersberg
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How soon we forget Snow turning Comrie/Campoli into a 1st.
How soon we forget.
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Three hours to go before deals must be filed with the NHL. Now the clock really starts ticking…CB
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Morrisonn claimed by the Stars
Gerber released by ottawa and claimed by the Leafs
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If Jordon Leopold got two prospects and a 2nd from Col, what can Witt get? Honestly, if something like that comes up you have to do it right?
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Butchy says:
Teams have to decide if they want a guy like Guerin over Satan – if they want someone for nothing, try Satan. If they think Guerin will provide real value, then they must decide how much to give up. I think we’re not going to see the type of movement from an Islander perspective that we all think, perhaps Martinek gets moved (Bully for Garth if he can get ANYTHING for that guy) MAYBE someone caves and gives a 2nd for Guerin – but that’s it.
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Yes it would be typical that Islanders fans expect some massive deal, hype themselves up, make up rumors, call the gm and owner names, and then get upset when we get a couple of second round picks instead of picking up Crosby and Ovechkin in a trade for Hilbert and Tambellini. Yes, very typical. THE SKY IS FALLING,, THE SKY IS FALLING !!
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bcarey says:
i will be shocked if i leave work today and bill guerin is still an islander.
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And that latest post by Chris Botta is the closure on the mess that is this franchise. Thanks for always keeping honest with us, Chris. And I look forward to seeing the parade of old losers on the ice tomorrow night. My god, put this franchise out of its misery already. Snow making decisions? No wonder why well never be a real NHL team. Later ya’ll.
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DPS says:
We could have used Morrison. Garth asleep at the wheel on that one
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Wow (258) – Agreed. To that I would add, does anyone ever think that maybe some Isles fans are grossly over-estimating just how much demand there is out there for the Guerins, the Weights, the Martineks and the Hilberts?
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Yeah we could have used another 34 yr player. Some of you guys really have no clue. I can’t even read 3 posts without my eyes starting to bleed.
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WOW said it right. Maybe he’s being lowballed and isn’t willing to dance. I’m sure he’s not going to give up something for nothing, just for the sake of making a trade. That would be ridiculous and we’d be calling for his head.
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exactly Vukota
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Marc from Troy says:
Yup. 100% Snow’s fault that the Isles haven’t made any further trades since Campoli/Comrie. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other teams potentially involved with deals – Guerin’s included.
Anything to take shots at Snow and this organization for way too many of this team’s alleged fans.
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Sean says:
I agree we are people are over-estimating the demand for all our players, but snow has dragged this guerin deal on for way to long. He needs to trade guerin for a 3rd round pick if he gets the chance. It would look awful if he pulled guerin for 3 games and he has to come back and play for our team.
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Priest says:
Hey Chris (if you have time to answer questions, I’m sure you are working the phones, etc)
How does TSN/Sportsnet (although in my experience, mostly TSN) break the stories. I mean, what kind of contacts do they use? Is it PR guys like you that leak it out early or guys in the league office on the conference call or what? And how easy would it be for the league to try to put a stop to it (if it is league guys)?
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im dumbfounded as to the post lambasting islander fans for being let down for not being a part of a major deal-
there has been no discussion of the islanders pulling off a blockbuster, just more discussion along the lines of which vets will be moved
can we stop the nonsense and have a serious discussion as to the merits of which vets would be better off being dealt
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Let people have their opinions. Stop flaming them and questioning their loyalty. Thank you…CB
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Again Michael his statement is true, probably something not major
What do you expect? Tkachuk and Boyes for Guerin??
Really? I agree 100% with others who say that most of you pessimistic fans have just fueled rumors and ridiculous ideas of getting players we all know we wont get. Then you have the nerve to get pissed at the team for not getting those players.
Sit back and relax, take a deep breath and let us see what happens.
Oh and a reports says Hejduk will NOT be moved by the Avalanche, awwww so sorry. What you going to blame Snow for that not going down too?
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Ouch, CB, way to bust the bubble.
I’ll be disgusted if all we come out of all this nonsense is one measily second or third round draft pick.
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ken says:
did sim clear?
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(279) They get it straight from the NHL.
Sim cleared…CB
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if snow gets minimal offers for guerin, weight, martinek he should do it just to clear up roster space for the youngsters
at this point, ice time for who we have is more important then a second or a third
agreed?
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Sim cleared apparently. So did Satan, speaks volumes of his value.
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Yo Sean again it isnt that simple. The teams that want Guerin likely are trying to clear cap space first, Snow cant do anything until they do.
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-Big Van Vader says:
If they are only going to do one deal, (if at all) they really should trade Guerin. You can’t pull him from games to protect his trade value and then not trade him. How weird is THAT going to be if we see him back on the ice as an Islander? The guy deserves WAY better than that. A real class act in todays NHL where pukes like Avery get all the attention from the media.
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I’d rather have Snow stand pat than accept obvious low-ball offers for our guys. If he develops a reputation for being a pushover, other GMs will try to hose him every time.
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DangerDoug says:
Islesnut: Why disgusted? What were you expecting? Our talent warrants 2nd round picks… I would be excited by that.
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MikeIsle says:
Yeah DPS how can we pick 1st if we actually upgrade for free!
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yup same here Doug
Again too many pessimistic Isles fans expecting too much so they can have an excuse for bashing the team.
Really pathetic.
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290- I’m expecting a solid prospect for someone. I’d like a young warm body that can play hockey…
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Kyle says:
just woke up…skipping my day of classes for my favorite day of the year. The only thing I want to know is why in the world the Sabres would sign Connolly for 2 yrs/ 4.5 mil per….how many seasons has the guy played healthy??
CB thanks for all your hard work and Im sure today is one of the busiest.
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I don’t think u can expect to much. Garth did a great job with his last trade. But, if we are trying to get build from prospects, we should try and get something done today. Even if it is minor. His mistake was making all of us believe there was something on the table the othr night for Guerin
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islesnut- i share your desire for prospects, but if the market does not warrant that would you rather the isles keep players not part of the long term solution?
as a gm you have to balance your needs with what you can actually get, and at this point ice time and picks are more valuable to the isles then 20 more games w/ guerin
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Yea I agree, I would like a prospect too for someone, we will see in the next few hours
NOTE TO EVERYONE: The teams only have to make the deal by 3pm, so if we dont hear one by them dont freak out. Sometimes trades are rolling in hours after the deadline, they just have to notify the NHL by 3pm
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Islesnut,,,,,thats what she said!
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Jimmy B says:
How does Snow still have a job?
He gave up a #1 in the Smyth deal.
Didn’t move Fedetenko or Satan last year?
And goofed up the Guerin thing this year?
Is Milbury still the GM?
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guys on tsn bashing the Islanders handling for Guerin situation…can’t say they arent right
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I have faith in Snow and I dont ask me why but I have a funny feeling everyone will be shocked by the end of the day with the Isles
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Islanders fans will always be pessimistic until this team turns around.
That being said, starting from 2007 onward, Garth Snow hasn’t made a trade that’s disappointed me yet. And that includes the Smyth trade.
At this point, you give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Isles didnt screw that up Kyle
Isles are waiting for other teams to get their ducks in a row, it is the team that the Isles were dealing with that didnt get it done, TSN has it all wrong
Geez some of you really need to chill out. This blog is getting hard to read
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JImmyB – maybe Satan’s availability this year for nothing shows what team were willing to give up for him last deadline
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Better question 299 is how did Snow GET the job??? Is it because he was such a great goalie? Doubt it.
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Nystrom23 901–
Faith in Snow?? This guy has done 0 for the organization.
Maybe he can fire Gordon this year and blame him, a la Nolan
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Kyle what are they saying on TSN? That he should have left Guerin in the lineup and take a chance of nixing any deal if he gets injured because it would’ve been the right thing to do? I’m curious.
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Then why aren’t the guys in TSN bashing Gretzky for the way he handled the Derek Morris situation? Oh, because the Islanders are an easy target and no one wants to bash the Great One. I forgot.
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TSN are a bunch of hacks. They have no clue what’s gone on behind the scenes with Garth andt he offers he’s fielding. Guerin is still an asset, and he’s still property of the Islanders. Had the Islanders decided to simply keep Guerin out of the lineup, say, because they wanted to play young kids, they’re completely within their rights to do so…
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This spotsnet email update is great, but i am now afraid my inbox is going to be bombarded over the next couple hours.
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I can see it already a third rounder for Guerin. I’ll throw up…
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When did Snow place blame on Nolan? They have a different vision.
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So as a follow-up to my original question.. in terms of the media getting the information out, is the only difference between today and any other trade that today TSN and Sportsnet have Bob/Pierre/Nick/etc on air waiting to announce whereas on a normal day they would just wait until the next SportsCentre? I’m just curious because it seems wrong (to me) that so many players find out what their fate is by watching TV. As a spectator, I love it.
Thanks!
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Bob says:
For all of you wondering the odds of the Islanders finishing in last place in the league and actually getting the #1 pick in the draft are actually 48.2% therefore as long as they actually finish in last in the standing (MacDonald might have to play in goal for several games in a row) the worst the Isles can do is get the second pick in the draft.
I concur with others the size and speed of JJ, he said he felt slow particularly in the first period, has more upside and is more what the team needs big fast tough forwards. IE:Boston, San Jose
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Where are all the people who were saying that Snow made a mistake by putting Sim on waivers because he could’ve traded him for a pick? Snow knew that noone wanted him for a pick and HEY, look what happened, they didn’t even want him for free!
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isles316 314
Different vision–Nolan wanted to win??
Don’t give me the argument that Snow wants to rebuild–if he did Witt, Guerin and Weight would be on a plane right now.
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SteveWebbClapClap says:
316- Keep him!!
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Yeah guys if we dont blindly follow orders of our fearless leaders Wang/Snow/Gordon (3 jokers) then we are not fans. OK
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How many people actually thought the team was gonna be good this year and make the playoffs? 0….Give it time for prospects to pan out… Plus it hasnt been easy to attract FAs with the Colisuem is our home
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Kyle (298) – eh, there is (at least) one other team involved there. They may have been the ones who crapped the bed.
Saw the Leopold deal. Not a bad trade by Colorado – the 2d rounder is Montreal’s so it could be in the 45-50 range, and Wilson looks like a lot of offensive upside if he taps his potential, only 22 thus far. If Witt had brought this back I would have high-fived anyone I met in the hallway. We’ll see…
149 minutes, Garth. Tick tick tick…
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TSN killed NYI, PHO and TB for their “unfair” handling of Guerin, Morris and Recchi. They particularly hammered TB.
Their point was that veteran, good guy players deserve better and should be kept in the loop for their sake and their families. They are right.
In his defense, I think Snow def. kept Guerin informed. Recchi and Morris, def not.
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mm30 says:
Nokie moved again? Too bad he hurt that knee…he looked like he was going to be a player
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The Express says:
TSN is just mad the Isles didn’t trade Guerin to Montreal for a 6th round pick.
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Guerin for a third rounder- Snow is an amateur if that’s all he can get, pathetic… Guess what, Snow will contunue to get junk if other GM’s see this is what he takes. I rather see him not trade him, so other GM’s don’t think “O, let’s go to the isles because we won’t really have to give anything up.”
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mLem says:
so he doesn’t want to win, doesn’t want to rebuild…soo then I guess he wants to lose for the fun of it?
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It is unfair to judge Snow on how his REBUILD is coming along until at least the middle of next season. We are in a REBUILD, the guy has done a very good job stockpiling picks for both last years & this years draft. This is how he should be doing his job. You can’t get mad at him due to the fact he found trade partners who were unable to clear the neccessary cap space to get the proposed deal done.
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all i can say is i ve been a fan since their last major playoff run and havent given up on the team…. and I m not gonna start now
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dalcy says:
the only thing for sure is this will be anti-climatic
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From all the reports, they didn’t hold Guerin out to be precautionary– they did it because there was a deal on the table at the time.
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Guerin has to go somewhere for something, anything, or else he leaves on July 1 for good. I don’t think the Isles are re-signing him, especially after this past week. I’ll take a third-rounder if that’s the asking price, but I have no designs upon that 3rd being packaged with a 1st or a player for something immediately useful.
Don’t expect a heavy to come in or be called up for tomorrow’s game, even though it’s obvious what’s going to happen then.
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Snow wants to win a cup and the Isles weren’t in position to do that. Nolan didn’t want to buy into a rebuild because he wanted to be competative.
Snow didn’t blame him for that and either did Nolan blame Snow.
It was circumstance.
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exactly Doug
To me it was the other team that dropped the ball on this one. Yet the pessimistic Isles fans want to blame the Isles for it.
TSN dont know that they are talking about.
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People need to wake up and face reality. Satan makes one mil less than Guerin and has the same amount of points. Satan CLEARED waivers today. What do people expect? We will be lucky if some team takes Guerin off our hands for a 3rd rounder. Snow’s hands are tied b/c Guerin just isn’t that good anymore.
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yikes Eric, to me that is a great deal for PHX too
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MikeD says:
Let me turn everyones attention away from Guerin for a minute. I never thought of Andy Hilbert as anything more than a 4th line borderline healthy scratch player until this year. He really fits in with Gordon’s system and could be a solid third liner. Why haven’t we tried to re-sign him?
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nokie goes for steve montador bos/ana
lombardi,prust,1st rd pick for jokinen…good move by phoenix
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it is Lombardi and a 1st rounder for Jokinen
no Aucoin in that deal
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dynasty23x4 says:
i think we have to just be thankful to have garth running things. it could always be worse..did everyone forget about milbury??
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DanNOLA says:
It’s only 12:30 pm est, and already people are getting on Snow’s back. For Christ sake, we have no idea how the next couple of hours are going to play out.
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Thanks Swan. Yeah TSN is completely wrong to lump the Isles in with the other two teams. Isles management has been upfront the whole time and have kept Guerin informed of what’s going on. Our proof is that Guerin has a no trade clause and has to clear any move that the Isles make. That’s something else that people aren’t understanding here. The fact that Guerin will only allow the Isles to trade him to 4 to 6 teams and on the east coast for one, handcuffs their options and two, hurts their negotiations because the demand is so low.
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LOL TSN blew the load, said the Jokinen deal is done yet EJ says they arent quite done yet
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b-ri says:
Trade…no trade…whatever…lets have jon sim go after avery with his skate happy gilmore style. He’ll get suspended for 50 games or so, but we don’t really want him playing anyway
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Bruins trade Nokelainen to the Ducks….Save me from getting bashed anymore in the 20 minutes ive been awake for but I think hes gonna be a great fit in Anaheim
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Cross Boston off any destination for our D-man
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(342) Seriously. It’s like a professor grading a term paper that a student is still writing.
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Montador to Buffalo for Nokalinen
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Jokinen to Calgary is official
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AZS says:
I know this is an exciting day and people are letting themselve get caught up – which is all in good fun, but I think some people might be over estimating what we might be able to get back in trades.
Our best trading assests are the young players (and our upcoming picks) that won’t be dealt. Weight was the next highest chip and he’s hurt. Even Guerin and Witt aren’t all that anymore.
Reality is the Islanders are a last place team – the players are the reason they’re in last. I can’t believe Snow got a #1 for Campoli. Lets just see what happens before we kill anyone, and lets remember what he’s trying to trade …seems a lot of people are expecting 1st rounders coming back or something like that and I think you’re setting yourself up for dissapointment
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lombardi is quick he ll fit in nice in phoenix
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i’ll take guerin over satan anyday, espeically in the playoffs.
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Lance79 says:
I thought it was bad news too when I heard Satan cleared b/c yes he makes less than Billy and was available for free… until you realize that his numbers were in spite of playing with the top two scorers in the entire league; still if teams don’t want to take a cheap goal scorer either Satan has been really underwhelming or we’re not going to get anything of substance back for Billy
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that is a real good deal for PHX
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Joe says:
According to Andy Strickland at HockeyBuzz, Islanders are telling Guerin that there will be a trade.
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Rangers suck says:
Only the Islanders can fawk this up and it looks like they will, pathetic
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My thoughts exactly, Nystrom23.
Good job Coyotes.
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updated with – shocking – no news! and also a suggestion…CB
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dead on AZS—I think it would nice to pick up a prospect for the fans to have a face to root for…even a marginal guy like a Goglioski would be appreciated insted of just acquiring mid round faceless picks…now if we can get any 1st rounders(dont see it) or 2nd rounders (possible) then i think we’d be happy.
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Rangers Suck,
What exactly did the Isles “Fawk up”
They have a 38 year old forward in a contract year….. what do you think you are going to get for him?
A 2nd rounder is a victory and anything better than that is an amazing job by Snow.
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I think Montreal would be a fantastic fit for Guerin at this point.
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Johnny Islander says:
lol @ Campoli and his 16 minutes last night for Ott. Gordon told him “it isn’t always greener on the other side”
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Jaffe, if you are reading the blog while on TV give us a waive.
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beatlebailey says:
it does make that campoli trade look really good right now….if we could only trade that tortoise on skates hunter!
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Campoli also had 4 assists in his first 5 games with Ottawa.
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Bill Clement rocks lol
Yup and Pronger is staying with the Ducks it appears
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I like the market so far for dman. Witt is better then Leopold and Montador. Martinek is better then Montador, I dont know about leopold.
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Fred Flash says:
If they don’t make a trade and have to keep Guerin Snow should resign!!
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lol Hunter is a rare find, he is gritty and exactly what this team needs
I hope guys like Hunter and Park stay
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lol beatle…like the guy, but he’s the slowest man on skates
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Andy Strickland said Guerin informed him he will be traded soon, Cant compare a soft Satan to a gritty player like Guerin. Guerin brings a ton more to the table than just goals, Satan doesn’t
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TIM says:
what a dumb statement he should resign good one
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great point Larry
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Jaffe sounds like he’s getting sick. And Campoli is doing very nicely in Ottawa. I’m very glad for him.
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Maydog says:
Chris, you’re losing some crediblity and sounding like Eklund did during the lockout with these “Calm down and go watch Miracle” posts.
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Great trade for Cal, imo. Calgary is getting to a win now mode with Iginla not getting any younger. And Sutter clearly felt that his team was not at the SJ/Det level. Jokinen will def help them. Jerome, Cammillari, now Olle. The will be driving to the net consistently and with size.
Lombardi is an asset but expendable. They have a lot of stud dmen (e.g., Regher).
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And Campoli is a -2 with those 4 points. It’s the play in his own zone that makes Campoli a liability. We all know he could put up some points. The way he plays D he would have to put up Bobby Orr numbers to offset how bad he is in his own end.
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Flames overpaid for Jokinen….
Calgary Flames get:
– C Olli Jokinen
Phoenix Coyotes get:
– C Matthew Lombardi
– RW Brandon Prust
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GREAT trade for Phoenix. GREAT trade.
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Chris Neil is headed to SJ if he doesnt get an extension Ottawa has a trade lined up for him
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and McAmmond has like 6 points since he has been here doesnt he?
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Except Bobby Orr had a ridiculous plus/minus
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TM says:
The only trades that would really matter are the Coliseum for the Lighthouse project or Hempstead for Queens/Brooklyn. Personally, I’d like to see Snow traded for Lamoriello, Wang traded for someone who cares about hockey not just real estate and all NYI scouts traded for D Conte. But none of that will happen today.
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I don’t know about 6. Maybe 3. He does have 2 goals already
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AZS – bein’ slow didn’t hurt John LeClair all that much. Not saying Hunter’s in his class, but there it is.
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Our friend Petteri Nikolainen has a new home …Anaheim….for Steve Montador
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Snow just sold our Zamboni, Skate Sharpener and our bus.
“this nickel used to be a quarter”
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NY not a hockey market? F U ray ferraro…
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Hmm….this one worked out for us right?
New York Islanders traded Olli Jokien and Roberto Luongo to the Florida Panthers for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
8 years later, jokinen is getting flipped for 2 young players and a 1st rnd pick, luongo is a perennial all star, and the islanders are in dead last with a 15 yr contract franchise goalie who has perennial knee injuries…
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Geez would you guys lay off Snow, damn I hope even more he gets a great deal to shut you all up
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Bobby – great point. Calgary probably overpaid for Leopold too. They are definitely paying a premium to try to get back to the Finals.
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Look on the brightside Mike, no matter what we do today it cant be as bad as that.
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well Mike that was a bonehead Milbury trade
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Fair enough nightfly …and I promise that if Hunter has a career even closely resembling LeClair’s we’ll all be happy …my main issue with hunter is that he doesn’t use his body to drive the puck to the net which was either result in a call or force the D to yank you down …he’s always going wide and letting a weak wrister go …but anyways …back to TRADEWATCH’09
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jokinen playing in an actual hockey crazed city is going to light a fire under his , y’know
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Mike #393, Thanks For The Punch In The Stomach.
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Exactly Vukota, If OTT valued those 4 points in 5 games so dearly, he’d be playing more than 16 minutes.
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(394) Honestly, Snow could trade Jon Sim for Ovechkin and Islander fans would find some way to complain about it.
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Bad trade for Calgary
Cammaleri definitely hits the UFA market
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Steve K. says:
not like anyone doesnt know… but ive read elsewhere that the isles told guerin that their trade is imminent.
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LOL Vukota
hey yea and Ovie hurt his foot, that brings down his trade value
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Matt NYC (391)
LOL. I would trade Sim for a soda….as long as it’s none of that stinkin’ root beer.
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KP says:
mm30 (#392) – I think what Chicken Parm was trying to say was that he hasn’t played in an intense hockey environment. Ray remembers 1993, when Rolli Polli Olli was here, you were lucky to get 5,000 in the building.
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Back in the 70′s (showing my age) on Saturday Night Live, there was a running joke about the interminably, long drawn out illness and death of Spain’s long time president, Francisco Franco. Every week, on weekend update, Chevy Chase would announce that Generalismo Francisco Franco is still dead. Kind of reminds me of Guerin’s situation. He’s still being traded.
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Ryan says:
Garth Snow sucks because he’s going to get the real value for a 38 year old who just doesn’t play like he used to…geeez the nerve of him
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Yes include me guys! I agree that Wang is an awesome owner. The Billy G trade fell though not because of snow but because of the “other team.” The Ted vs Garth riff was Ted’s fault. Scott vs the vets? The vets fault of course. TSN doesnt know anything! We do since we are so savy. The rebuild is working great also and we actually do not want any possible good players. Oh and the lighthouse should be done next week
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Haha, NYC @ 391…Think we could trade for McCracken?
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NHL Live has a guy in a Comrie jersey in the store in the background! First jersey of the day.
Isles fans everywhere
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Isles were in the conference finals in 1993
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I would take Guerin for Alexi Yashin right now
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Re Jokinen trade, 1st rnd pick is conditional. Usually in these trades, the best player wins the deal. Olle is likely better than Lombardi, Prust or the late 1st round. Calgary wins.
If Calgary gets back to the cup over the next 2 years, they won’t care about the assets they traded away.
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Snow is getting a raw deal. Understnadably after dealing with DIlbury for so long Islander fans have suffered alot. But its gonna take a lot of work to undo what that tool has done. Lets not forget he signed Striet. And the Campoli trade. Its not his fault if Guerin has no trade value.
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I agree nightfly….has anyone heard anything about Hossa’a injury last night. It was pretty scary, he got carried off on a stretcher, went headfirst into the boards.
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Looks like Garth is going to have to break out the K-Y jelly to get something done, for all the pre-greasing he’s done… it sure isn’t working.
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A/p Andy Strickland–Guerin trade to be announced within hour
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updated with how Montador deal may affect NYI…CB
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Again the deal for Guerin wasnt in Snow’s hands, he did have a deal on the table when he pulled guerin, but the other team didnt get the things done they needed to to get the trade done.
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Trade Garth for some broken sticks!
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I saw Fritz and thought they called him up. CB please use a different word next time.
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Can we trade Nyles for a Rangers blogger to be named later? LOL
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mm30 sticking up for the luongo trade??
is this you mad mike??
the mm stands for mike milbury and the 30 stands for the average place your teams finished in??
welcome to the board…
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Willis says:
Hi all, I’m here now too. (So it can now start…LOL). CB – Doesn’t matter to me if you’re not first to break news today, I have no doubt that with everyone here’s help we’ll all hear about everything that’s put in every site out there!
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Did we get Randy Robitaille, D Van Impe or Kip Miller yet?
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I was making a point Chris.
You don’t see me hanging around here knocking people.
Things were getting kinda crazy.
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Wow, a lot of hating on Jokinen on TSN. Apparently he’s a well known locker room cancer.
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Pablo Lopez says:
Satan -v- Guerin
CB
Sorry if I am coming in late, but Gerin is definitely worth more than Satan. Not because of age or talent. But Guerin is a rental with Satan you have to pay him for next year I believe.
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Beatle LMFAO!!!!
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Jokinen has gone 754 regular season games without a playoff appearance
that is an NHL record
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NHL record that should say lol
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Tom says:
Are we sure today to deadline day? there’s more trades in August.
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An hour and 40 to go and Billy’s still an Islander, good going WangerSnow
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apologies for the bodily function and Kvasha refernce – it wont happen again
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Listen, folks. I know nothing’s going on right now with the NYI. But if you want to go back and forth on who’s a good fan or not, who’s negative or not and who’s wrong or not, we can call it a day. Talk NHL…CB
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Jeff says:
Radical idea: Keep Guerin and Weight, trade Snow and Gordon.
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Tom, hey, Kip Miller had two goals in the Toronto series…including the first game-tying goal in the Game 4 epic.
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Just reported Bill Guerin trade is dead on NHL live.
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Guerin deal dead as per Pierre Lebrun
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NHL net reporting Garth blew the first deal asking too much. On to plan B
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I think our friends in manhatten could use martinek and guerin! bring me prucha!
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you guys keep forgetting something
All of the Isles deals were going to be with teams, that need to clear cap space first. So the Isles have to wait it out for those teams to work out deals too
Original deal for Guerin is dead now, but that could have been sometime ago and Snow is on to something else
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Jon Mac says:
Can we please stop all the negative conversation. It is really ruining this blog. Sorry Chris!
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i hope he doesn’t know what he’s talking about… something has to happen… come on garth, im pullin for something
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Watching the TSN broadcast is Stockholm Syndroming me into cheering for Canada at the next Olympics.
Still don’t understand the massive appeal of curling as a sport.
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at this point Garth needs to move Guerin for even a 6th rounder. As for the Joikinen to Calgary move… the guys on TSN have referred to him as a cancer in the locker room. I don’t really recall his time in New York… pre info age explosion like today’s blogs etc etc. Was he that bad?
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JT says:
TSN repeating Pittsburgh should get Guerin.
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TSN prattling on about Guerin being a fit in Pittsburgh
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Good to hear that the Montador deal nixes a potential Marty deal. This Trade Deadline Day will result in only 1 deal for our NYI.
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Recchi to Boston per TSN.
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Guys please be respectful, it would be awfully lame to have CB pull the chat because of stupidity. Appreciate what Chris is doing please, thank you.
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Recchi to Bost
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TB trades Recchi to Bruins. No word yet on what the Bs send back to TB. Seems to me that Guerin would have been a better fit for the Bs.
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Its so sad how many want to see a trade just for the sake of making one. You want top dollar for every player who isnt Okposo or Bailey, but if the Isles hold firm asking for good offers that is wrong? There is nothing that would make everyone happy in a situation like that.
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Guerin to Pitt being discussed.
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Pat says:
Hey CB, If your laptop goes on the Fritz, we will have to bring in “The Wrecker” to take care of it !!
Nice job today providing us desk-bound fans with a place to vent.
I am sure that Garth will get something done……just wants to torture us for another two hours……
Just hope he is a good poker player.
Pat
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Captain Crunch says:
Is it just me, or does anyone else here think Snow pulled Guerin from the lineup Sat & Mon just to create a buzz about an impending trade, hoping to start a bidding war? Ha! No one cared.
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recchi just went to boston, as of now tampa’s return is tba. this should get the ball rolling on guerin.
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Daniel says:
I wonder why they went with Recchi over Guerin. About an hour and a half left and still no news, this is making me a little stressed.
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That leaves PHI, MON, BUF, FL, PIT for BG.
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Recchi to Boston
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TSN announced Guerin and Pittsburgh is heating up.
The fact they announced it on air makes it seem legit. I’m predicting a 2nd, B-Minus Prospect and perhaps a salary dump (Cooke?)
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New comment rule: RATIONAL THOUGHTS ONLY
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the1gwiz says:
Too bad about Boston picking up both their D-man and Recchi. Could have been a nice destination for some of the Isles’ vets, especially with Gordon so familiar with kids in their system for a possible return. Oh well.
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Recchi has had a very good season and is a proven draft day pickeup and be meaningful in helping a team win a Stanley Cup (e.g., Carolina with Lavy). Better pickup for a Cup-contending team than Guerin, imo.
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DC says:
Yeah, TSN is not saying Guerin trade dead. Perhaps the original dance partner is out, but according to TSN, the Pens are interested.
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Guerin for Godard and a 2nd???
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As long as its not for Satan Cody and I am good LOL
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I am starting to feel very sorry for the Islanders Vets. All of them. During this rebuilding process, it must have been a crazy year for a lot of them. What a cluster…..
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Feel sorry for them???? Pay me 4 million dollars a year and I’ll feel sorry for them as well.
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Walygz says:
Looks like the original deal for Guerin(assuming with Washington) was officially pulled off the table. I’d still like to think that Bill will find a new home, and I wish him the best of luck.
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Chris M says:
Where’s Montreal in all of this? I thought they were supposed to be a big player? Any chance of a package to bring Higgins back?
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Gordon was very very smart for letting the kids play and get used to the system
The Isles have played much better of late. Just think of next year, with these young players, 10 draft picks at least, maybe another young prospect or two and 26 million in cap space next year. You never know.
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I like Lashoff but I dont think I would’ve thrown in a 2nd to get him.
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Tampa got two prospects for Recchi and a 2010 2nd round pick.
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Guerin to……….. stay an Islander, booooooo WangerSnowie
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(474) you are correct. i dont feel bad for one of them, they are millionaires in a time when everyone is losing their jobs.
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Mario says:
Boston gave up 2 players to the bolts for mark Recchi and a 2nd rounder
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This is getting scary! Hope we don’t retain our captain!
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Nice, I just found out we got a 1st round pick for Campoli! That’s a great deal, way to go Garth! I’m not being sarcastic, this is a great deal!
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Mike says:
I think Snow should just trade Guerin for a 2nd rounder and decent prospect and call it a day.
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Dominic Moore to Blackhawks.
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Metal Chick #457, Thank you. At least someone gets it. If Snow doesn’t feel he’s getting a good return, why make the trade. Let’s say Garth trades Witt for only a 3rd rounder, what good would that really do for this team?? Let’s put things into perspective here. If GM’s aren’t claiming a proven 30 goal scorer off waivers, good luck getting a good return for a 38 year old.
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Joe says:
Damn Garth, do something already!
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Smytty94 says:
Would have loved Lashoff! Damn!
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Rich says:
You gotta trade Guerin at this point. Even if what we are getting in return has declined since the weekend. Having Guerin in our lineup = better chance to steal a few games = worse of a chance at #1 overall pick.
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Macch says:
Seriously I would have tooken Lashoff for Guerin straight up… Cant believe what the B’s gave up for Recchi… Come on Garth wake up
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Jimmy Sparx says:
My question for all of the sarcastic and negative people here is, what are you looking for Snow to do? Honestly!!!! The only way you are going to see any names that matter coming to the Islanders is if Snow gives up one of the kids and that will not happen. Nothing major is going to happen. Also, I’d like see a prospect rather than a pick for Guerin.
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RobsIsles says:
Good job Isles. Way to treat your fans. Almost 2 hours gone and wat have we done… NOTHING. Here’s a trade for ya.. Scott Gordon and Garth Snow for a bag of pucks. Any comments?
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Satan hasn’t scored 30 goals in years
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CB, any idea how Gordon felt about the two players TB got for Recchi?
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30 goal scorers do not get placed on waviers. Guys that may have scored 30 in a previous year, might go on waviers. Not one that is preforming like a 30 goal scorer.
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No doubt Garth wanted to dance with the Bruins, but Recchi is a better fit for them. He is a left-handed shot, can play both wings, and is a better playoff performer than Guerin. He’s also having a better season than Billy. Recchi is a better option for the Bruins, so I can’t blame Snow for not pulling off a deal with them.
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Carmine says:
Recchi is easier to move in this case because of his 1.75 mill contract compared to Guerin’s 4.5 mill
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Alex Kinkead says:
Snow is getting me nervous. Come ON
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I would have loved to have the deal TB got for Recchi. Guerin for Lashoff.
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It is so easy to take that black and white look at it and say Oh no deal is done yet, blame Snow
It is WAY more complicated then that, sadly some on here dont realize that and no matter how many times you say it, they never will.
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(493)
Yeah, I got one but CB doesn’t want us stomping on posters.
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Uh oohhh…….
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stopthepain says:
All of you guys who said a “deal was in place for Guerin” must admit you were wrong if he is not traded (and thus, pulling Guerin was the wrong move). By definition, if there is no deal, there could never have been something “in place.” Saying the other team had to clear cap space is 1. an assumption on your part and 2. means a deal was not “in place” because the other team still had something to do. That’s it for the negative part…
That being said, Snow has been fine so far. It’s better long term if Snow gets the reputation of being a stingy gm with the trades, and yes, the Streit signing was probably the best one in the NHL this past off season. Now let’s all pray Garth and the scouts can draft well. -
yeah heres a comment: relax, this is a rebuilding team, if the GM is being held up the deal shouldn’t get done. A trade is supposed to be fair for both teams. I feel like I am listening to WFAN and someone wants to trade Louis Castillo for Albert Puljos.
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This is definitely getting frustrating. However, I don’t think I will critique Snow just yet. There is still 1 hour and 15 minutes left before the time expires, and buyers become more desperate as the clock winds down. I still have faith that he can rob a desperate buyer as the clock expires, we will see though. Very surprising is the quiet Ranger and Montreal front…hmmm
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If Snow trades Guerin early, it’s Zhitnik all over again and he’s an impatient GM.
If Snow has the audacity to not trade Guerin early, well, read the previous 500+ posts.
Poor Garth can’t win.
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I agree with an earlier post, even if we trade away Guerin for a 3rd rounder only, it gives us a better chance to get the first pick.
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Was there EVER a Guerin trade? I’m starting to doubt there was ever a deal, WangerSnowie just pulled him so he wouldn’t get hurt to try and deal him which they apparently can’t pull off.
Can’t wait for those stellar first round picks by these two idiots. I can already see Wanger trading the top pick for a used Bobby Orr jock.
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Actually there was a deal “in place” and the other team was going to trade for BG untill they found out that he had problem with Gordon and that the isles would get rid of him regardless. thus, his value decreased, and will continue to do so until the last minute. It is like a scalper at a hockey game, starts the price off high, and then sells for next to nothing at the last minute because the buyer knows he has to get rid of the ticket regardless.
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Do we not think Garth and his staff havent been on the phone all day? Of course they are. If he traded Guerin for a late 3rd and a 3rd in 2010, everyone would be complaining. Now, everyone is complaining that nothing is done. I havent seen the Rangers do anything today, the Canadiens, the Flyers, San Jose, Detroit………..see the point????
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Yeah because I’m sure all the GM’s check out Logans blog before thinking about making a deal. Are you for real? I really hope not
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The thing that bothers me most is that this is the 2nd year that we let assets walk off this team without converting them into something. I dont care if its a bag of pucks and some shoe laces, dont let assets walk !!!!
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CT Isles Fan says:
Don’t forget about Washington. They haven’t done ANYTHING yet. I see Weight and Guerin going to Wash.
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joe from bayside says:
you have got to be kidding me….how the hell does a 41yr old geezer get back this kind of return, but everyone blasts guerin saying hell get back a 3rd/4th rounder…2nd at best.
guerin – 16g 20a 36pts
recchi – 13g 32s 45pts
last time i checked guerin wasnt playing with stamkos, stlouis, lecavalier, malone, and the rest of their overpriced going nowhere anytime soon talent. absolutely ridiculous tradetsn is reporting forseberg is mercifully announcing his retirement. anybody else getting sick and tired of all his glass foot problems, and the taking 90% of the yr off, coming back to the avs or flyers and then getting hurt in his 1st game back?
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TSN – Guerin to Pittsburgh rumor (again).
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Ron says:
They are not going to get more than a 3rd if there lucky. All I know is we need atl and tampa to go on a 3 game streak us go on a 5 game loosing streak and then we will be good.
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mike says:
losing begets frustration which begets a desire to lay blame…thus the tone of many posts…at the end of the day Guerin for a bag of pucks shouldn’t be done, even if he’s gone at the end of the year…the principal villian on the roster for most of us is gone now (Comrie), so I think most of us should be happy w/ draft day depth to go along w/ whichever slot our top pick falls on (1 or 2).
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Billy G to the Pens
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TSN _ Guerin to Pitt a done deal
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1 hour left… total islander moves today is 0
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It’s the Pens
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Guerin to Penguins
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Original Rob says:
FINALLY
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Guerin to Pitt… for what?????????
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Guerin to Pit
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kushiro says:
TSN breaking Guerin to PIT.
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Guerin to Pens!
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Guerin to Pitt
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Outside says:
GUERIN TO PITT DONE
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for what… TBA
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Spoke 5 seconds too soon.
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8 posts back to back—WE ARE ALL CRAZY!
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Armand says:
Guerin has been traded to Pitts
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alleluiaaaaa guerin gone
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Nick says:
Would love to get Tangradi… *crossing fingers*
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AM says:
It’s done.
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Here is the deal with the Guerin trade that failed for all the people that think there wasn’t a deal to start with (it is from the ottawa sun) was linked to on spectors hockey site yesterday:
The Islanders are playing the waiting game with right winger Bill Guerin, but the talk is he could be packaged and dealt with injured centre Doug Weight. Sources say the Caps promised Isles GM Garth Snow they’d make a deal, but that was contingent on Washington being able to move centre Michael Nylander. Nylander has a no-movement clause and has not been willing to waive it.
It was even mentioned on TSN earlier that it was rumored Nylanders wife won’t let him wave his ntc.
Atleast it is all over now. Party on Garth!
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I’m guessing Letang and a 3rd.
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isles99 says:
been saying it since saturday….guerin was headed to pitt without a doubt…please let it be a 2nd rounder at the minimum
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lets go CB… what are the details!!!!!
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goliskgoski or letang would be nice
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pete says:
Getting Satan back?
Guerin traded for Crosby?
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Jon says:
for malkin….inked
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Mike says:
Nice. I’m hoping for a first round pick and Bisonnette (but I wouldn’t put money on it)…
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C$ says:
NYI: Bill Guerin
PITTS: Autographed puck by Crosby and Malkin
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Hey… Campoli and Comrie to OTT for Dean McAmmond and San Jose’s 1st rnd pick!!! You heard it first.
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It’s a conditional DP
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ziggs says:
Conditional draft pick
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for a conditional draft pick???
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5th round pick
4th round pick if make playoffs
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I think my computer is going to explode with all the tabs I have. Finally a deal done with Guerin, I wonder what it is going to be for. HOPEFULLY for a second. I wish Guerin all the best in Pitt, hopefully they can have a good run.
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we got a conditional draft pick… start rooting for pitt!
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5th round at the minimum
PIT makes playoffs, 4th round
PIT wins first-round, 3rd round pickLess than I wanted back, personally.
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mjisles says:
yuck
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5th rd pick , 4th if they make playoffs, 3rd if they win a round.
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mehhhh…all that for a conditional pick…
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bp says:
He should help the Pens maybe boot the Ranger$!
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A conditional pick? Definitely a 5, will be a 3rd if Pitt wins a round.
I WASTED 4 DAYS WORRIED ABOUT THIS?
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alright now who else can we get rid of in 50 minutes?
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now if the pens make the playoffs i can root for a them with battlin’ bill in the lineup.
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Guess I’ll be rooting for the Pen’s at least for 1 round of playoffs. Gosh, I don’t like the Pens.
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Doug says:
Garbage. Should have kept him for that.
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WOW CB … you must be getting hits up the Wahzzoooo!! I’ve been trying to get on this page for about 10 mins … I saw TSN’s Live Trade window indicate Guerin to Pitt for TBA … I guess that is all we get for now…
Good luck the rest of the way … I’ll check in again from time to time before leaving work.
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Mike from Philly says:
For a conditional draft pick!!!! 5 days in the making by our future hall of fame GM
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Klynch says:
should have never held him out of those 2 games, over played our hands.
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Angelo says:
What a terrible deal
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Rob says:
Pittsburgh Penguins get:
– RW Bill Guerin
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AJ says:
thats a joke of a deal- u know the pens are gonna miss the playoffs now
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thats a horrible deal
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Steve S says:
Garth Snow should be ashamed of himself.
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Ron, Lindenhurst NY says:
horrible deal. just horrible.
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This will end up being a 4th round pick. Why Garth? Why? Very disappointed.
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any news on the conditions of the pick?
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Can we trade Snow for another back up goalie turned GM with absolutly no front office experience? Oh he is the only one? Too bad.
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John says:
Looks like TSN is saying conditional draft pick (i.e. exactly what CB has been saying, a 3rd or 2nd rounder probably dependant on how far Pitt gets in the playoffs),
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JKP in Halifax says:
Would have rather kept him than get a “maybe” 3rd round. Very meh.
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there is obviously going to be a ton of commentary on this trade, but my initial reaction is we lost big time. snow took what he could get and it was NOTHING.
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Guerin is worth more in the line-up and mentoring the kids than he is for a 5th round draft pick that won’t pan out. Even if it becomes a third-round pick, I am quite unimpressed by the return. Recchi’s value cannot be that much higher than Guerin’s.
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Mike says:
I’m usually pretty realistic on trade values of different players, but there is no way I can say anything positive about this deal. I’ve defended Snow over the years, but a conditional 3rd rounder that could end up being a 5th????? The Bolts just got Matt Lashoff for Mark Recchi. I’ve supported this organization since 1992 and, unfortunately, this is just the latest joke.
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What a bad deal. Outside of dumping his salary and allowing to play more kids. a conditional 5 to 3rd round pick is a bad job. This was the big waiting game?
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They dumped his salsry, that much is clear. Snow is going to have to make some deals in the summer to fill some holes, after the buyouts.
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Joe G. says:
This is what happens when you hire your goalie as a GM.
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this whole deal just makes us look stupid, holding him out of the lineups for a weak conditional pick
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Why are people so upset? We got our bag of pucks for him. Now lets go and trade the rest of the worthless Vets.
Recchi wasn’t getting paid $4.5M.
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Isles99, you didn’t have the Guerin to Pittsburgh, I did, get real.
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Recchi got the top prospect in boston and we get a fifth.
How does snow keep his job
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sincityhockeyfan says:
wow horrible trade… rather see guerin stay and walk off for nothing… 5th rounder and could end up being a third if they make it to the second round….. should have been a third atleast with the possiblity to move up to a second ect if they advance in the playoffss booo booo
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Guerin’s value dropped, especially with the condition that there were only a handful of teams he wanted to go to.
I don’t think Garth is done.
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STIC says:
Another HORRENDOUS deal by Snow. He’s turning into the Isiah Thomas of Long Island…
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they wont win a round, so we got him for a 4th rounder. embarrassing – FOR HIM.
i wonder what that deal was a week ago?? why exactly was anyone worried about him getting hurt.
i really think for that we shoulda kept him
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Why is everyone ripping on Snow?? You’d be complaining if he didn’t make a deal and took Guerin back and now your complaining that he pulled the trigger.
Obviously his other deal fell through. Nothing you can do about that until we hear details.
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Garth you are an idiot. Wait till 2.50 and wait to see if u get a last min panic offer. If not just keep him. A 3rd or 4th rounder does nothing.
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prob a 4th if pitts dont make playoffs ( unlikely )
3rd for 1st & 2nd rd wins
2nd for conf finals
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he should have gotten a third, then a second if they advance in the playoffs
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Hockey1919 says:
I find it hard to believe that you would sit a player in hopes of getting a fifth round pick. The fifth rounder is Tampa Bay’s, but each subsequent pick is Pittsburgh’s so if they make the playoffs they are later in each of the rounds.
Wonder if Snow has removed GMGM from his rolodex if it is true that there was a deal in place with the Caps that fell through. There was no way that Nylander was going to waive his NTC after agreeing to terms with Edmonton before signing with DC and then having is wife revoke the deal.
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Sooo ask again why no free agents want to come to the NYI yeah right it is the NVMC This team is still a circus act you take a well respected veteran player that is captain of your team and pull from the lineup prior to a game. You then let this thing drag out for days and get back a conditional draft pick….again players do not want to play here because of the stupid was this team conducts business. What a joke
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Brian G says:
Big Deal – Snow had to wait 4 days for a conditional pick…solid work
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Looks like Islanderspointblank is blowing up. Can’t even get in to read replies without getting the “unable to connect or error 500″ problem. That is the only good thing out of this deal. Congrats CB
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not pleased with this trade. unless garth can package the pick with a second and the SJ first rounder to move up into the mid-first, this is a BAD trade. i think it is pretty clear that guerin wanted off LI for garth to take this offer. brutal.
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ed says:
Really? Is anyone shocked? We have a GM that has/had no training at all. Snow is definitely in over his head. I just don’t understand how the Islanders do not have a qualified GM. Thankfully Neil Smith was around to draft Okposo albeit it was only for one month.
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Snow is the worst GM ever, a conditional pick for Billy Guerin, if were lucky we will get a 4th rounder.
This is everything that is wrong with this franchise.
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Matthew Boily says:
I can’t believe we only got a conditional draft pick….Anyone want weight, martinek?
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Keith says:
What a horrible trade how can we only get a 5th round pick is garth that clueless. A player 3 years older gets two prospects and we trade our captain and get a 5th round pick. Keep up the good work Garth lol
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Only in Islander country
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Bridgeport fan says:
I can care less about the Guerin deal he had to go and he`s gone.
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Lee says:
whats so bad about a conditional pick for an aging forward?
we got something…just gotta draft well that’s all
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Spud 31 says:
Give back my Captain!
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oh and peter zezel on the fan 590 just said any player that would get traded to the NYI would be very unhappy, and the BG is now the happiest man in hockey for getting out of there…ouch this is how we are looked at
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NYICHAMP39 says:
Once again the Isles make the stupidest move on earth. A 5th rounder????? I would have rather kept him!!
There is no chance that the pick will move up to a third rounder given the fact that the pens just arent that good this year!!
Terrible trade. Absolutely terrible.
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Darryl in Florida says:
Charles Wang has just traded Garth Snow for a 2012 7th-round pick
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For that little, we should’ve just kept him. That’s no way to treat Guerin, our captain and a very well-respected player throughout the league. This, more than Gordon, will affect our ability to attract quality free agents, in my opinion.
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Read This says:
Good for Bill Guerin, landing in a very good situation in Pittsburgh. Good for the Penguins to get such a solid guy. He is pretty much what they have needed all year. He is not Marian Hossa, who gave them such a lift last year. But he is a very classy guy with some game left (unlike Miroslav Satan).
Don’t be so quick to dismiss Greg Logan’s story about the fissure between captain and coach on the Islanders. It’s easy to say “Oh, every team has people who aren’t happy.” True, but this was different. Trust me on this, Greg has been around franchises, good and bad, for a long time. He knows when it’s the usual last-place discontent and he knows when it’s a genuine legitimate story. This was a genuine, legitimate story. If Bill Guerin gets alienated, it is worth raising eyebrows.
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The server is ready to crash, but somehow Isles fans are still able to complain that a trade was made. But if the trade wasnt made, what do you think those same fans would do?
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618- I wish! What a disgrace!
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WHAT. WE GOT NOTHING!
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This is the problem and it starts with Wang. You want to rebuild? fine but you better have some experienced people running things. (Bowman, Quinn etc.) what a joke!
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Ed J where are you getting the 2nd if they make the conference finals?
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it becomes a third rounder if pitt makes the 2nd of playoffs
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I have a feeling that Guerin was on his way to Boston and that was the deal that died and it died because Garth wouldn’t give up a second round pick
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Snow’s only worth an 8th rounder….
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Lol…no wonder the site crashed for a bit…everyone howling at the moon!
I’d say good job getting a first rounder for a disgruntled Campoli…good job getting rid of Comrie for no contract…poor job leveraging Guerin and leaving the fan base out to dry during the Guerin transaction (since Sat). Overall C+ so far (conditional pick too low for Guerin w/ what Boston gave up for Recchi). Perhaps Garth has one more trade to go, but I’m not feeling it.
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Wow. That is all I can say. This is almost embarrassing. The best we can make out with is a 3rd round pick? I do have a question though, what happens if Pitt gets to the second round? Does it go down to a second or basically if Pitt goes on to win the cup we still only have a 3rd in return?
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606 you are right on. Isles = laughing stock of sports yet again! Have some pride man. Just stand pat.
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why all the hate for this deal. Snow keeps Guerin everyone whines because he walks at the end of the year… he trades him for less than you think he’s worth and Snow should be canned. Please. It’s unfortunate the original deal Snow had in place fell through. I think if we knew what that deal was then we would judge this last hour deal differently.
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Awful job by Snow. Awful. 5th round pick if Pitt misses the playoffs, 4th round if they make it, 3rd rounder if they get out of the first round. Awful job by Snow here in my opinion.
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Pat says:
We are a joke
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BTS Derek King was more of a scorer than Billy G. Do you know what the Isles traded him for?
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Kai says:
Ridiculous. Simply ridiculous.
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Dissolutioned Brian in VA says:
Snow is junk! Too hiliarious! Conditional pick??? Hope you guys are happy because Snow fed you the rebuilding kool-aid you guys like it apparently! Thanks CB this site is nice!
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TSN – Guerin will play will Malkin or Crosby. Brings experience, leadership, grit, championship experience and offense. Great guy, especially in locker room. Typically would go for a second round pick. Different this year because of salary cap issues.
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I think it was a mercy deal for Guerin. Anyone who things we could have gotten better really just dont understand hockey operations. Keep dealing Garth, I have faith.
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Mike says:
The Express (562): That’s what I was thinking! I would have kept him if that’s all Garth could get in return.
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does anyone know what this trades implication is regarding our salary cap minimum? arent we dangerously close without both guerin and comrie?
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wow really thought guerin was worth more than a 3rd at most…i mean with the standings being so tight and teams looking better than they have (florida, carolina) its not even close to guaranteed pitt makes it to the PLAYOFFS much less second round, and if that happens it’s still just a third? Pretty junky.
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Chris TMC–Islander fans have EVERY right to complain. The team is in shambles and its future lies in the less than capable hands of Wang, Green Garth and the Alienator Minor League Coach. Yea, why complain genius?!
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that was a terrible trade!!!!
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Why are people upset? There was no market for him.
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It’s as if Snowy begged Pitt to take him off his hands.
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StevieL says:
Nice Blockbuster! It is like a garage sale, in the beginning you are all excited, put all your junk on the driveway and hope somebody picks it up. By the end of the day your junk is still sitting there. You do one of two things, lower your price and take whatever you can get or two, you just throw it out!Nobody wanted our junk! Can you say “overplayed your hand” Garth!
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303Joe says:
Exactly what Aim in #602 said. This is a joke stupid move from the start that blew up in Garths face. Can’t wait to see how he defends this deal here you had a guy that waqs your captain that worked hard and wanted to be here. And you wanna know why this team sucks.
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I guess the trade for Recchi got my hopes up. It’s disappointing to see the Islanders not get a return that good for a younger player.
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TMC- Id be happier about him staying, he literally was given away. Our leading scorer, GIVEN AWAY on deadline day. We at least shouldve had a second rounder.
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Looks bad considering what TB got for Recchi. Even factoring in the 2nd round pick that TB threw in, that deal set the market and Snow looks like a Doofus in comparison. Again.
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Potvinstyle33 says:
Wow….I may be crazy but I am happy to get something for someone who was unlikely to re-sign here. Let’s hope for a 3rd rounder. To say we need to fire Garth is just ridiculous. Of course I would have loved more but what did we really anticipate getting here? We all just let our imaginations get the best of us.
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No, it was Pittsburgh all along, there were some road bumps because Pittsburgh had second thoughts, but now with the deadline coming up, they made the right call to grab Billy for a good price. I know that’s what happened, I knew it was Pitt on Saturday. Go back, and see how I told you guys.
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Lance says:
What did you all expect for Bill Guerin? He’s a free agent, and oh yeah, he was a free agent this past season and no team signed him except for the Islanders! If the Islanders don’t sign him, he wouldn’t even be in the league! Wake up people! and the comparisons to Recchi are crazy, he’s making half the money and performs ten times better in the playoffs, i.e. stanley cups
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Garth please quit.. please or at least go to GM school. Oh wait you just got taken to school by the Pens
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Something had to happen, I will blame the Rangers…..
Remember this on thurs night boys…..
Everyone should blame those goddam rangers!!!!!!
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Joe in Massapequa says:
I wonder how ripped up BG’s knees were to get this one done? A 5th round pick? C’mon! What an absolute joke. I was all in favor of unloading the vets for picks and prospects but Snow cannot be serious.
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Recchi is more valuable than Guerin, plain and simple. And Tampa had to throw in a second in order to get players back. I wish that the pick we got for Guerin was higher, but you can’t compare the Recchi deal with Guerin.
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John Tavares says:
Garth Snow really doesn’t know what he’s doing. Tampa dows better for 68 yr old Mark Recchi. We get robbed. What a disaster.
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Atari8bit says:
I think Snow still has a soft spot for the ‘Burgh. And hey it may help knock the rag$ out of the playoffs!
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Spartiarti - RVC says:
wish we could of got more with it. if you going to take conditional pick at least make it you get a first if they make the finals.
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I love everyone saying he should have gotten a 3rd. Don’t you think if it was there he would have????
Please provide so reasoning when you just throw out comments
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Gone Billy Gone says:
Glad this fiasco is over with, Billy needed to go. He was nothing special, not even the best player on a last place team.
Makes sense that the Isles got squat for Billy since Pitt just put Satan on waivers.
I hope Snow can pull one out of his butt at the deadline and suprise everyone.
Go Islanders, kids play well, lose close games and finish in last place by 1 point please.
Cheers
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I want Garth Blow outta here by Friday
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Chris Neil to Fla. would of loved his toughness.
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Bill Guerin is old and was in the way
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BrassBonanza says:
That is terrible. A 4th round pick for the captain???? Is this a joke? They should have just held onto him. What type of message does this send in the locker room; the captain can be shipped away for a bag of pucks??? Wow what a sad day
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well I’m officially going to stop reading the comments section for awhile….I can’t take all the whining and crying….These guys can do nothing right…I’ve stated my postion..CB I will still continue to read your blogs cause I love them, thanks for all the hard work
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And we missed out on Neil..
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Isles19 says:
Guerin had a NTC and that the diffence … Is what it is… Need to move on.
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Fist of Gillies says:
well then.
Go Pittsburgh!
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It says the captain wasn’t wanted
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Jake from Albany says:
I’m gonna have to say this is one of the best trades ever from an Islander stand point
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I have been saying it for months here!!! This team is looked at as the biggest joke in sports. Regardless of what we got back just the way this whole thing went down makes us keep looking like we are run by idiots
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Just because Pointblank readers thought he was worth a second round pick doesn’t mean 29 thought he was.
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29 other gms i meant to say
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Steve says:
Snow might just be the worst GM in hockey.
But it is OK beacause he drank some beers with the fans last year.What a joke this team is.
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Don't Mind the Haters says:
I don’t think we can call the trade horrible, as we were not going to resign Billy G in the off season.
If we were to get something more than it’s a bonus.
As for the Recchi deal. May be Boston didn’t want Billy G. Or couldn’t afford him as Recchi’s salary is a quarter the amount Billy G makes.
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Let’s stop criticizing Snow. If he could have received more back for Guerin, he would have. Obviously, there was no bidding war. And there were only 8 trades so far today. Guerin doesn’t bring back a 1st or 2nd round pick in this kind of environment.
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Giving the kids all the playing time they need and clearing cap space, all good things with this trade. Question is, who is going to sign with the Isles next season? How do we draw a top FA with this team.
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from logan:
The Islanders get Tampa Bay’s fifth round pick from Pittsburgh for Bill Guerin. If the Penguins make the playofss, the Isles get the Penguins’ fourth-round pick. If the Pens win a round and Guerin plays at least 50 percent of the games, then, the Isles get Pitt’s third-round pick. That’s it.thats it?? f***ing ridiculous! i stand by my previous comment of overpaying for recchi and teams basically spitting in not only snows face but guerins, telling him your worth jack! i cant believe 5 days of this crap only to wind up with crap…solid!
i hope pitt doesnt even make the playoffs now just so i can spit right back in their face….soooo disappointed
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Well I have to admit, the trade is pretty embarrassing.
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Isles move salary and a player. Maybe, just maybe, Snow took a ‘lesser’ pick in lieu of taking back salary…
It is what it is. Makes me laugh when all Islanders country whined last year when Satan was not traded and walked away. The cry was ‘atleast get SOMETHING.’
Now, it’s ‘you got that?’
Unbelievable.
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All of you complaining don’t understand the situation.
Snow had a deal (presumably a better one) in place for Guerin on Saturday with another team.
That deal fell through between Saturday and now.
Snow, who had made Guerin sit out two games before this point, had to get rid of his player who couldn’t have been happy that he had to sit.
Pittsburgh takes advantage.
Maybe Snow making Guerin sit was premature, but it made the rest of this chain of events fall into place.
Of course this is all speculation, but it would make a hell of a lot of sense.
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Harry says:
Would of kept Guerin for 20 more games….he has 16 goals this year and is 38, all this locker room stuff is overrated as far as trade value. We’ll survive without the 5 more goals he would of scored unhappily over the next 2 months.
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Dan says:
I would have preferred to keep him…
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good move, guerin slowed our team anyway, hope somebody wants a injured weight, 1 more ex-oiler to go. go pittsburgh.
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John says:
Total joke. Yet another PR disaster by this organization. They shot themselves in the foot over the weekend and screwed themselves. Brilliant!
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Jisles says:
Once Garth blew the deal over the weekend you knew Guerins value went down, add in the Logan article and Guerin was there for the pickin. What a steal for a guy who has over 400 goals. Boy, garth blew this one, 5th rounder for Guerin terrible. but we all knew it so I am not surprised. Guerin will put up numbers playing with crosby.
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are people now announcing their temporary retirement from the comments section of a nyi blog?
has human evolution really reached this point?
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Chris says:
I dont understand the league. I cant figure how 90 year old Mark Recchi draws more interest than Bill Guerin. And for that matter the bounty for the decrepid one is a young player and a 2nd round pick while we only get a 5th rounder for Guerin.
I wonder if the whole pulling Guerin out, mystery team backout screwed everything up. At that point the ISlanders pretty much had to trade Guerin and other teams probably got that impression too. Oh well Mr. Snow, you did what you could.
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Honestly, this EASILY could have been a situation where Guerin WANTED out. The Isles painted a pic of everything is nicey-nice, Bill is gentlemen & waived his NTC for ‘the team’…OR he could have demanede a trade because he thinks gordon is a putz.
I find it hard to believe that a 5th, 4th OR 3rd round pick really improves the team all THAT much..I remnmber sunday/Monday, awww…what a classy guy gonna he’s move JUST so he can improve the Isles.
The Isles handled Guerin like ‘cloak & dagger’. So stupid.
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What a sham. Did anyone see the movie “major league” where the owner wants the team to lose so he can move them? I dont think that is happening here I just think Wang/Snow/Gordon are unbelievably stupid.
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Do you guys think he turned down the prospect and 2nd rounder and took the conditional pick?
The guy is 38….has scored 2 goals the last month and had a NTC
Did anyone really expect to get Letang??
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Well… the good thing is they now have more incentive to beat the rangers tomorrow night.
The only reason this is “disappointing” is because some of you started believing your own drivel. for all of those folks who wanted a last place team… ENJOY YOUR SUCCESS.
Let’s see if we can get a fourth rounder for Martinek and a 3rd for Witt… -
I hope Ray Shero kissed Snow first, because God knows he F*@#ed him!!
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Phil C says:
kharpotsev = guerin
ouch
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2008 trade deadline : “Why couldnt Garth get something/ anything for Satan and Tank. Anything–even a 5th rounder. Garth sucks”
2009 trade deadline : Why couldnt Garth just keep Guerin. A 5th rounder? Horrible trade. Garth sucks”
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rb says:
did Snow get a lot for Guerin? No…is Guerin worth much? No…other than including him in a larger deal where younger pieces, prospects or picks were moving back and forth (and my guess is that Snow was probably trying to accomplish something like that which fell through because of cold feet on the part of the other GM), what exactly were people looking for in return for Guerin anyway?
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i agree, i dont think much of demand for billy and my guess there was another deal that fell thru with washington or habs. but both have serious cap issues.
oh well, another pick. NHL should consider moving the draft this year to Nassau Coloseum since well be picking every few mins.
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(644) Um “Read This” why in the world are you saying that to me? Where did I say anything about anyone not having the right to complain? I have not even posted about whether I like or dont like this deal. So please talk to the people who have, OK? And with all due respect- if youre going to say things like “Yea, why complain genius?!” to me I will ask you not to talk to me at all.
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CB, I love ya, but I honestly hope your write-up on this is objective and truthful… and that means that Snow F’d up.
You know he did. Yes, he was hamstrung by Guerin’s uninspired play. Yes, he was hamstrung by Guerin’s NTC and willingness to only play for selected teams.
The rest of this mess is on him.
There’s NO REASON why there is such a gap between what Recchi garnered and what Snow got for Guerin.
He AT LEAST should have landed a 3rd straight up…. no conditionality.
All those crying to “leave Snow alone” need their heads examined.
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Feaster just chimed in and said it’s a fair deal for both sides.
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Remember this is the same GM who acquired a 1st round pick for a number 4 defenseman and a guy who shouldn’t be allowed to wear an AHL uniform.
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Darren says:
Who cares! This is all behind us now. Start bringing up some youth now.
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Neil says:
It was better than nothing for a player with nothing left.
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Addition by subtraction.
His work as a veteran player on the Island is done. I dont think he contributed that much this year anyway. All he had left is his reputation of being a good player, which he isnt anymore.
Who’s next to ship out.
Gone Billy Gone
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Chris S says:
How is this such a bad deal? Guerin was not resigning here next year and we got a potential 3rd round pick. People are acting as if he was Denis Potvin.
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Feaster on NHL.com said it was a fair deal for the Isles right now. What trades in the past 24 month can you complain about. Campoli and Comrie? Thew first rd pick wasnt good. Maybe we should have gooten Spezza and Heatley for them. Stop bashing Snow. He has done a good job.
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CJ – the gap is that NYI did not want to trade a 2nd rounder.
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This was idiotic. Whatever fool allowed the details to get out should be shot and they NEVER should have pulled him from the lineup. That way they could have kept him and let him walk. They could have gotten a 5th rounder by trading his negotiating rights at the draft. I could have handled this better.
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Louie C says:
This proves that Gordon and Guerin where having issues…I also ask this question, is the amount of coverage killing teams ability to make deals? Like if a deal wasnt rumored or leaked on saturday would we get a 2nd or maybe a 3rd instead of a 5th and possibly a 3rd???? I hate this deal, and Im so sick of having to defend EVERYTHING this team does.
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Twisted Wrister says:
Hate to say it, but we just lost our best chip for nothing more than a bag of pucks.
We got fleeced.
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Unless Garth picks up salary in the next 30 minutes, the fact that he dumped Guerin’s means nothing since he wasn’t coming back next year. Thought he was worth more than that but “at least we got something”.
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Deal done to save face the Snowman!! Could’ve got more for him…
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BG is still on the team roster on the NYI websiite, guess that rules out looking for that as a possible clue for the future
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nma says:
I would have liked to get Malkin and a 1st rounder back too, but something for a UFA is better than nothing, especially if it’s true that there where some coach/player issues.
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How come all you GM’s are posting here instead of working the phones in the last half hour?
Give me a break 99.9% of us don’t know jack about what goes on behind the scenes in this process.
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WASN’T ZETTERBERG A 7TH ROUND PICK!!!!!
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(690) “PR disaster”??? Do you know what “PR” means? How on earth is this a “PR Disaster” when they were not talking?
Honestly, reading what is being said here I am moritified to be an Islanders fan.
Take care CB, Ill check back once things calm the heck down.
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I think the NTC really hurt after the other deal fell through.
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5th rounder? LOL Should have just kept him.
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How great has this team played the last two games without him in the lineup? Addition by subtraction. I am going to look at this as if we got a conditional pick AND a second round pick (Joesnuu) out of this trade. Good job Snowy!
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The New York Clearance Racks.
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cody says:
Nobody else wanted guerin. Pitt knew we had to trade him cause of the dicontent with the coach. Pitt also knew no1 else was interested. NOthing we could have done. except have gordon know how to handle players.
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I don’t think anyone expected over-value for Bill Guerin.
We all know his better days are past him but a conditional pick that could very well be a 5th rounder? That’s it? That’s all the Islanders could get for him?
All things considered, he is still a fairly decent player, especially for one who could help a playoff team.
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LOL!! Look at all the blind following fans trying to justify this.
Good GMs turn it around in 1 or 2 years. We only get worse.
We gave a way our Capt. for NOTHING!!
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I ask the same question I asked here months ago….If you are an elite free agent do you want to sign with the NYI and the way they conduct business? Or do you takes less money and play for a team that is committed to winning and/or is trying to conduct business in a classy way. Does anyone dare to think that a guy like Bill Torrey would have ever had a deal go down this way??
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So ex-gm’s fired for their own incompetance think it’s a fair trade…that sums it up for me.
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Yeah. You are right, not much of a demand for Billy when you got Gordon absolutely destroying his value. Disgusting. Had to get rid of him after what was said, and to think I was getting blasted for saying Gordon’s comments would destroy his value. We will all hear the real story probably a year from now. To those who think Snow did a good job with this one there is nothing I can really say to you. That also goes for the people that think he is only worth a 5th round pick. Freaking joke!
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who cares if no one wants to play here?
everybody wants to play for the leafs and the rags and they consistently havent won jack…do i care if Guerin doesn’t wanna play here? no. the only thing i care about is we gave him a no movement clause…this rebuild shoud of started when Ryan Smyth said I don’t want to sign with the Islanders.
COMRIE/FEDOTENKO/GUERIN/SIM were worthless signings.
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Sab says:
Alot of you guys forget that Guerin’s tag is $4.5 mill! You can’t compare that to Recchi’s $1.5……
You couldn’t have expected that much and the day isn’t over yet….
SAB
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john from merrick says:
What a waste. Guerin for a 5th. Your kidding right??? That totally backfired on the isles. We had a better offer on the table Saturday but obviously that fell through. I blame Snow and media for killing this deal. Billy is better off on our team… What a shame
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CB, I loved that offer and would have let Prucha sleep on my couch until he found a place.
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Eye on the island 663 – you are correct. if the deal was there, they would have done it. It wasnt there, so they get maybe a 3rd.
Guerin is 38 with 16 goals. on most teams he plays 1/2 the games, only on this team does he play them all. Thank you Billy, hopefully the 5th can be Ryan Miller or john Michael Liles -
we were close to the cap floor with Comrie and Guerin. now we HAVE to be under the cap floor. something else needs to be done before 3
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hahaha nice post 737
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Shows you what PITT thinks of Crosby’s “leadership”
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Mouthwash says:
What did you guys think a 38 year old with 16 goals would get? He was gonna walk at the end of the season anyways. At least we got something for him.
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I’m in the “at least we got something” boat. I was angry last year at us not trading Tank and Satan
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I’m sure Snow would have made that deal if it was there CB.
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Debate all you want about Guerin’s play, we just traded our Captain for a 5th round pick (or even a 4 or 3). That’s sad. Bet you’ll get a good deal on a Guerin jersey at Mo’s this weekend.
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The day isn’t over yet SAB, but Guerin was our most tradeable asset that should’ve gotten our highest return. Good to get something, but I have a feeling there was a better deal out there.
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With Guerin gone, are we below the salary cap floor? Does that mean we need to add salary?
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Just because he is our captain and our leading scorer doesn’t mean he had the same value everywhere else. I don’t like the trade either but did any of you actually watch BG this year? He was brutal!!!!
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jimmy sparx – yeah he was but the wings also didnt draft omarra, nilsson, and nokelainen in the 1st round. picks are meaningless unless the team knows how to use them.
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good deal. go pens! 3rd rounder pile up the picks don’t forget we can always trade multiple picks for someone
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DominicD says:
Bill Guerin Traded for Stu…. Stu Gots that is!
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Guys its a great trade because if we had not make it we might not have finished last. Thats why he did it.
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finally…SOMETHING…would have like more but if PITT puts it together like they can, hey we got a 3rd round pick outta the deal. If not whatever a draft pick is a draft pick and if our scouts/GM do their jobs for the draft which i am sure they are this could turn out alright for us. Just remember this: Campoli was a 7th round pick. Martinek was at the end. There are other good players drafted at the end of the draft. Will we be that lucky, we’ll see. But its better than getting nothing for him when he left in July. Nobody would have wanted his negotiating rights because they could have them for free once he left the islanders cause lets face it, after last week there was no way that he was going back to this team next year. Who’s next?
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JC Frank says:
TB had to give up a 2010 second round pick to get 2 prospects for Recchi. If things work out, the Isles get a 3rd for a guy with a no move clause. Even if they don’t work out, they get a pick for someone who will not a factor when this team gets better.
I really don’t know how anyone can get on Snow yet, he has a plan, he’s sticking to it.
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Giving a 38 year old who is over the hill a chance to win can’t be considered some sort of class move by our ‘classless’ team? Come on, I loved Guerin but what did we really lose, he hasnt been a “driving force” or anything remotely like that lately.
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Well that was pretty much like getting clothes for christmas when your 10 years old
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c’mon garth..is that it??…how about weight for a big pile of kvasha
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Well, that was a let-down. Watching the comments skyrocket from 300 to 750 and counting… kind of feels like the NY Jets on draft day.
Bill Guerin to Pittsburgh for the rights to Ki-Jana Carter and Jonny “Lam” Jones.
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CB, interested in being a GM?
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the nail in the coffin was Montador to Bahston
Martinek would have fit perfectly there….and Gordon would have known who to take from Providence . Alas, so it goes.
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They should have open try outs for GM. Write an essay of 100 words or less why you should get garth’s job. Please submit to wangisajoker.com
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I really don’t see why there is so much complaining. We knew going into this that the market was limited not only by cap issues, but my Guerin’s NTC.
So. the guy has absolutely no value to the team right now. Actually a negative value because they still owe him $1M, and he’s taking a roster spot from a guy like JJ.
So snow got what he could. Man, some folks are never satisfied.
Let’s move on… jeez.. once in a while I would expect my fellow fans to act like adults. -
what the islanders need:
the islanders take tavares as their number one pick (SCREAMS AND CHEERS)
MATT GILROY signs as an islander for a 3 year contract
that would at least be a start. oh yeah, and if kyle and josh could promise to net 30 goals each, that would be a huge help.
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Boycer says:
Are we really trying to justify this? You just saw a guy get traded to Boston that’s three years older than Guerin for a potential top 4 defenseman. I figured once the Recchi deal went through that Billy’s value only went up…this is a farce.
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Why did Guerin come here to begin with? Oh that’s right we overpaid for him. He was robbing this team of nearly 5 million a year for the last 2 years. He became the power play killer. Everytime he touched the puck on the PP he coughed it up….
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jjj says:
How’s about Doug Weight? Heard nothing..?
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757…Good Point
The only thing Guerin leads the Isles in is shots…
Better to get a pick then to let him walk away with for nothing
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Why do I think Gaborik will become an Islander in about an hour? The Kings and us might be the only teams that can pull that off and sign him. His asking price might just be that SJ first round pick and a 2nd.
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with all do respect Mr. Botta, Prucha is small and gets pushed around. don’t ya think the isles got enough of that problem now? no need for Ranger garbage.
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What is Snow going to get in return for any of the vets he has remaining???? Nothing, there are a ton of vets on the trade blocks that are not getting a look this year.
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I guess we’re done with our alleged “fire sale”. Wouldn’t be shocked one bit if G-Blow trades Streit for a conditional 6th round pick.
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This is at worst a 4th round pick because Pittsburgh WILL make the playoffs with the addition of Kunitz and Guerin. They could get as high as a 5 seed too and have a good shot at making the second round. So I’d say there is a 35% chance this turns into a 3rd round pick, which isn’t bad for a 38 year old with 16 goals.
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scatchard38 (Mike) says:
I second TMC(723). Everyone needs to step back off the ledge. Should have listened to CB over the last few days who warned not to expect too much for Billy. The Recchi deal can not be used for comparison because of the smaller cap hit and the fact TB included a 2nd rounder with him.
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That guy 4 years older out produced bg this year. Plus tampa also gave up a top 35 pick in the draft for potential.
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Sigh…Can’t wait to read about
the “Saturday” stories.
I still think there WAS a better deal in place Saturday that apparently fell through.
We’ll see.Today’s deal kinda indicates how far his star has fallen.
Let’s remember…WE were able to secure him as a free agent 2 years ago…I.E. no one else wanted him.
Godspeed Bill Guerin…..get us a 3rd rounder.
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Any word on a Potential Martinek deal…something to make me wanna get hammered less?
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I don’t know how some of you are trying to justify this. Guerin isn’t close to being what he used to be, but he IS a top 6 forward on a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals last season! That is worth a second rounder.
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Jerky says:
That was a waste of a trade. Garth should’ve focused on getting rid of others before Guerin if this was the best offer he had for our captain. Hopefully more to come…
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Tbox says:
Gee whiz, Snow used to be a goalie? In what league!!!!??? If you’re gonna bash snow, GET A NEW LINE. Fantasy hockey is clouding everyone’s mind who is bitching. It’s a realistic deal.
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the way I look at it is who knows what can happen with the pick. Look at Campoli he was drafted in the 7th round and he got us a first rounder. So anything is possible
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DM says:
We just got fleeced. When the Pens put Satan on waivers I had a feeling they were clearing space for Guerin. And we only get a conditional pick(3rd rounder at best) in return. Boston picked up Recchi (who’s three years older and not as good in my opinion as Guerin) for a 2nd round pick who’s 22 and played 16 games with Boston and a 3rd rounder who’s played 6 games with the Bruins. Horrible trade!
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Pens are only paying about 1 mil of this contract, so i doubt its a salary dump. But hey, now Wang is only losing 29 million this year. Give the old fella credit, he is chipping away at the bottom line.
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So who’s the new captain?
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Bjo says:
People here are so out of touch from reality its amazing. Would you want to give up a 2nd rounder for Bill Guerin if we were contending? I sure as hell wouldn’t. The guy looks like he ran out of gas in November. He has had what, like 4 goals in the last 3 months? He’s been horrible lately. Why would any team give up assets for this guy.
Good job Garth on getting something done and for what realistically could end up being a 3rd rounder.
Next isles fan demand: Park and Figren for Malkin. Thats unfair? What about Parks’ intangibles!!!
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I wasn’t expecting too much, I would’ve been content with a straight third…but think about it…if Pitt doesn’t make the playoffs you’re all really going to be happy with this?
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While I am not too happy on the return for BG, let’s make the best of it and hope Pitt get can get deep into the playoffs. Go Pens Go??
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RHL Vin says:
Our vets are not that good…..Im not sure why everyone was expecting Garth to make this big splash.
If Weight was healthy we might have gotten a decent return….but he is not.
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Anyone who defends this trade is just plain lost. How can you possibly say Snow is doing a good job? Saying BG is horrible and only worth a 5th is hysterical. To say he wasn’t worth what Recchi got back is freaking hysterical. Gordon screwed us over the weekend, just one of the many brilliant things our lost coach has done that our brilliant GM hired. Glass half full guys have fun defending this because you will be laughed off every site probably even this one. Good job Snowy(and Gordon!)
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The lightning essentially gave recchi and a late first rounder for Lashoff. That’s decent return for Boston.
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ItsGoodToBeRich says:
Pittsburgh was not the team Guerin was supposed to be traded to. I’m thinking that Snow had two offers, one from a mystery team and one from Pittsburgh. After the first trade did not happen Snow had no choice but to make this trade.
I think Pittsburgh will make the playoffs and maybe even win a series too. So we signed Guerin as a free agent, got two decent seasons from him, then got back a possible third round pick.
This trade was not a blockbuster, but we are talking about Bill Guerin.
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**BREAKING NEWS**
Howdy Doody to be named Captain at 5pm press conference
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Bryan says:
I guess that is what happens when you pull a guy out of the lineup and have no choice but to trade him.
Garth does some great stuff and then Garth does some awful stuff.
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Brooks Simpson says:
The captain of the Titanic also had a plan and stuck with it.
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I can’t believe some of you guys actually think Snow is a quality GM! Snow will deal Witt for a conditional pick in 3015! Other GM’s like daeling with Snow cuz he is a moron! I wish we had Smith!
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Nice Brooks,lol
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Steve-O says:
I’m not in Snow’s shoes…but wow! I think it is time to move on, Garth. Botta for G.M.
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There’s a big difference between Recchi’s cap hit and Guerin’s.
Also once Logan’s report came out, Bill was a goner regardless.
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Recchi is currently better and cheaper than Guerin and is a better playoff and clutch player.
And Tampa gave up a 2nd rounder too I believe. I wouldn’t have given up that package for Recchi probably but i sure as hell wouldn’t have given it up for Guerin. Those who think Guerin is better than Recchi are not being honest with themselves.
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Pitts 2nd to last game of the season is at home against the Isles. Wouldn’t it be just perfect if the Isles cause the Pens to miss the playoffs thus only hurting themselves??
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Can we stop the Gilroy chatter…. even if he signs here… he will not be an immediate impact player… aside ffrom him being a LI’er… whats the big attraction?
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CArcillo to Flyers for Upshall and a second!
Can someone show this to Garth,
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Do you mean the Smith that can land a job if his life depended on it? Is that the Smith we are talking about? The one who hasn’t had a job in 12 years? That Smith?
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At least I got to see a new “The Coach” commercial on NHL Network…CLASSIC!!
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David says:
Billy had to go because there was no way Snow was bringing him back in the locker room. You have to get something for guys that will not be here next year. That’s why Weight and Dean have to go maybe Hilbert too. Get draft picks and follow the plan!
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Wow CB, this sight is flying. Imagine when we are buyers at the deadline in 10 years?? You will need to add a server.
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Frank D says:
This was a sneaky way of getting Islander fans to root for Pitts to win the cup.
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I agree about Gordon. I like Go-Go but he should’ve kept his mouth shut til the guy was gone. As soon as that first deal fell through we were bent over and ready for the taking…Philly gets Morris…
There goes any hope of moving Martinek to Philly. We’re done for the day.
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Pheonix two great trades…
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Iron Islander77 says:
Well maybe we get lucky and that 5th/4th/3rd pick turns into a sleeper… sad attempt at a silver lining…
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Looks like Jay-bo is going to Vancouver. Interested in seeing what they have to give up
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mtrico says:
Seems like Snow made this trade solely to avoid the awkward situation of bringing him back to play for Gordon.
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I love how Matt Lashoff has become the second coming of Ray Bourque around here. He’s not a great prospect. The guy has been developing for years and looks shaky whenever he gets called up the Bruins. Tampa Bay did not get a great return considering they gave up a second rounder. Recchi had way more value than Guerin anyway (no nmc clause, 1/3 the salary), so it’s hard to compare the two trades.
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carcillo goes to philly for a 2nd rounder AND upshall
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Cant wait to see Garth defend this at a press conf.
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Whoops. turned out to be Carcillo not Morris. Keep hope alive!
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joe 803 – was just gonna post this lol
how? how? howww???? wtf?!? all these idiotic trades. and we cant get sh*t! and now the fricking rags just picked up antropov? wonderful…im gonna go vomit, excuse me
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Philly gets another nasty player with an edge. You know the kind of players Snow is allergic to.
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Great move Garth. GAVE AWAY the guy that you gave the C when you signed him, before he even played a game.
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GREAT day for Phoneix
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Folks, check the cap hit of Recchi vs. Guerin. You might learn something…
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Amen 820
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Spinner9 says:
If this turns into a third rounder its a good deal for the Isles. You have a 38 year old who looks demonstrably slower than last year. As much as I appreciate Bill Guerin I’ve come to the point where I would be disappointed if we resigned him for next year. If we are to truly objective third round draft pick is good value for him at this point of his career. Pitt will make the playoffs and so now we’re talking either a 4th or a 3rd. Worth the gamble. Remember how many folks cried when we let Satan and Fedetenko walk for nothing last year, you can’t have both ways. Did we get a steal? No but if it winds up a third its probably a solid deal. We all have a tendenacy to over-value our own assets, I think there just wasn’t a big market for a rapidly aging vet like Guerin. Also trading partners were very limited because of Guerin’s say in where he went.
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Even if you wanted to go on experience to try to make guerin sound better than recchi, you can’t. Recchi doesnt quite blow Guerin out of the water, but he does have over 500 goals, almost 1500 career points. So if you’re paying for experience who do you want…
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Pritchett says:
I love how people are pissed at Snow. Why? This is the best he could get. What is he supposed to do. Everyone knew he was available and this was the best offer. Someone please explain to me what he should have done?
I do enjoy the fact that many people on this list will be taken down a peg when talking about the value of our islanders. Guerin for a 5th rounder!!! Are you kidding me? What is Martinek worth? The campoli trade was highway robbery, we should be throwing a party for Garth with that trade.
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Please remember that these other guys don’t have No Movement Clauses…Garth was limited in his options
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Carcillo is 24…Guerin’s 40. You really can’t compare the two.
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Upshall and and 2nd to Coyotes for Carcillo!
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rangers get antropov for tba
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Great trade for the rags as much as I hate to say it. Enjoy the playoffs rags we will be here with our sorry islanders playing golf. (as usual)
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rangers get Antropov. thoughts?
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Nobody was comparing the two. I just stated that Philly got another nasty player with an edge
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Shneddy says:
I know this is a forgone conclusion. But for those of you that think Snowy is a bad G.M. I give you one example why he is better than you think, one word, MILBURY. Snowy has done a great job making deals that make sense. ‘Nuff said.
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Healy says:
Classic Islander fanbase over reaction. Do I wish we got more for Guerin? Yes of course I do. BUT keep the following things in mind while you whine:
a.)Guerin was leaving anyway. Snow at least got something for him. If Snow sat on his hands you would now be ripping him for learning nothing from Satan/Fedetenko last year.
b.)This was Garth’s plan B. From the media it seems like a better deal with the Caps was in place that fell through. Everyone was hyped up because of this deal and this is understandably a let down because secretly in some minds, people were expecting a blockbuster. Kudos to CB for trying to warn us…seems not many listened.
c.) Some are complaining we gave up our leading scorer for nothing. Considering he’s not coming back next year and the plan is have a good draft. Losing some production may get the Isles closer to that important higher draft position. Can’t have your cake and eat it too all the time.
Please, everyone, give this a day to sink in.
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PHI can keep getting all the offense/defense it wants. However, their historical and current problem is the goalie.
Smart move by PHI giving a glorified 1A a NTC…
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who did the rags get?
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Nik Antropov is with the Rag$
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Joe you’re going to vomit because Antrpov went to the Rags. He’s a free agent at the end of the season too. Antropov won’t be an impact player in the playoffs anyhow, if the Rags get there.
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Dadi says:
We got rid of Comrie & Guerin, and that’s OK with me! Can You guys imagine Snow to re-sign both of them for…$ 10 mil. ?
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I hope people realize who’s making Phoenix’s trades.
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who did the Rag$ give up I mean? Carcillo and Morris to the Flyers?
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Again(799) blaming Logan for this is moronic. It was Gordon’s fault for speaking to Logan. Logan was doing his job for God’s sake. It is incredible how people defend stupidity in this organization. When do any of you say, “wow that was stupid”. Stop being homers. This was not a good deal, you can’t justify it, we look like idiots with the hoopla we caused over the weekend than recieving a 5th. CB, I would love to hear an honest opinion from you about the trade and why we recieved a 5th round pick for Guerin.
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Rangers land Antropov for a conditional 2nd
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Antropov is nothing special
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wow they got antropov for a second rounder and a conditional pick. nice trade for them.
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brian says:
Who cares. We want to finish in last and I’m sick of watching a 38yr old drag his butt up and down the ice. Obviously BG wasn’t on board with Gordon, find someone who is. Gordon is part of the solution, Guerin was part of the problem, I think Garth made the right decision.
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Given salary cap issues, age differences, etc., I don’t think you can compare this deal to the Antropov, Recchi, Carcillo, etc. deals. It’s apples to oranges (or pucks to sticks, or whatever).
That said, if all Snow could get for Guerin was this low conditional pick, I think he should have held on to BG. He could have explained that he has such respect for Guerin’s contributions to this team — on the ice, in the lockerroom, and in the community — that he could not give our captain up for a bargain basement price. This would have showed respect for a quality individual, and would have kept Snow from looking foolish (again).
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From Newsday
2:44 p.m. Canadian media outlet RDS is reporting the Florida Panthers have acquired rugged winger Chris Neil from the Ottawa Senators.Details and analysis to come…
Updated 2:49 p.m. Both the Senators and Chris Neil’s agent is denying this is a done deal. Stay tuned.
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I think if anyone deserves the “C” it would be Witt, but i would not like to see that til next year.
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BG on TSN LIVE
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upstatenyifan says:
#757 – So true, Ritchie.
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LOL… wow, you a lot of you guys are overreacting. Calm down a notch.
Healy 837… see’s it. He’s totally right. Give it a day then look at back at it.
By the way… how dumb of the rags to pick up antropov. Another inconsistent player that rag fans will insist will suddenly become a great player and play up to his potental and all. lol
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PB Rules says:
Hey CB,
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lee 829 – carcillo has a WHOPPING 3 goals compared to guerins 400+ how do u compare that?
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how does phoenix get a 2nd rounder and a developed player for a fighter and we can’t get one for a scorer?
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Guerin on TSN right now, confirmed that there was another deal in place with another team, and when that fell through it got ‘awkward’
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Pauly G says:
whos the new captain?
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Guerin on TSN – Deal with another team fell through.
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#851 are you crazy? Guerin is part of the problem? Gordon is part of the solution? Guerin is one of the most respected hockey players in the NHL and a hall of famer. Gordon is a joker minor league coach that no one but the islanders would hire.
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post(851). Gordon is the solution? LOL! My God.
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yup, just like i thougt . . . a dud. Get Garth outtaaa here! He has not made one good deal since he has been here.
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Antropov isn’t much, but at the same time, if he were on the Isles, he’d be our leading scorer.
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Have an inkling that Weight signed an extension. Just call it a hunch.
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Milo says:
I would think a new captain wouldnt be named until next season
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PeteZ says:
Guerin was just on TSN Tradecentre – confirms that previous deal over the weekend fell through and he was just hanging around waiting for something to happen.
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Andrew says:
Hey Chris, the Islanders just traded Bill Guerin to Pittsburgh for an 09 conditional pick; check NHL.com
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well…a sloooow deadline. Surprise surprise.
Maybe we ship out Marty?….maybe? something? Anything?
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McLovin21 says:
Healy(837) I completely agree. It seems like some people thought we were getting a blockbuster return for guerin on saturday night that was going to suddenly turn this franchise around overnight. They seemed to have forgotten that guerin is 38 and not 28. Also, he sucked as a rental player for san jose just 2 years ago. I dont think that GMs across the league were suddenly going to forget that. As for all the people complaining about Recchi, he has more points than guerin, makes less money, actually played well as a rental player in 2006 and tampa threw in a second round pick. So I fail to see how the return that tampa got from boston makes the guerin deal so horrible.
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All of you who are bashing snow are just playing the roll of the stereotypical ny sports fan. Stop overreacting. Unreal!
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john 841 im gonna vomit cuz of all the overpayment for what is mediocre at best talent, but our equally mediocre talent gets sh*t on
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Dead last in the league, a lot of veterans and the best we can do is a guarenteed 5th round pick?
That to me is unacceptable. I’m all for Garth Snow but we have Weight,Park,Hilbert,Martinek,Sutton,Witt, and maybe even Hunter or MacAmmond and you are telling me those guys will be part of the team when the turn the corner? I’m not saying get rid of all of them but 1 or 2 more?
Not happy.
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Isle be Damned says:
Can you people get a clue. Guerin is NOT a good player anymore. He will not be resigning with the Islanders. a 5th round pick (which in all likelihood will be a 4th round pick) is about what I expected for him. To say “Isles should have just kept him.” I ask, why? For what purpose? So he can play the last 19 games of a lost season and then sign somewhere else with the Isles getting nothing for him? This is not 1999 anymore and Bill Guerin is not a 30 goal scorer anymore.
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MilburyRuinedMyLife says:
What was the deal that fell through!!???
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Gordon and Snow are big when it comes to “what’s said in here stays in here” … until they start talking themselves.
Just call Gordon Snowflake.
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River Alph says:
Antropov for a conditional 2nd rounder
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How are the Rangers fitting Avery and Antropov under the cap?
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It’s been a slow day all over the league. Only Phoenix has really done much. Jay-bo isn’t going anywhere, which is a HUGE shock. Gaborik isn’t going anywhere. With the economy the way it is right now this was very very predictable. San Jose was suppose to busy but they did nothing. Chicago didn’t do anything either, or Detroit who is notorious for deadline day deals. We picked the wrong year to have a bunch of veterans for sale. Can blame Garth for the economy
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I wonder what the other deal was.
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TSN now also saying that the Rags got Morris
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should and “and” between those
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If Pittsburgh gets 2nd round isn’t too far out of the question, remember how hot M-A Fluery got in the playoffs last year. Just a thought.
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u gotta be kidding me they swung another deal
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Derek Morris to the Rags as well. How the hell have they the cap space for all tese guys?
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we need a GM
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Jim From St James says:
Have all you boo-birds considered that maybe Snow asked Billy where he would like to finish his career, and billy answered “Somewhere east where i have the best chance to win another cup in the next few years” That would be either Wash, Pitt, NJ or Boston, with Cindy and Geno, pitt has to be on the top of that list… And if billy only approved a trade to a very short list of teams and out of those teams only one wanted to deal, well then a guy goes for a 5th round pick!!
Don’t beleive Logan & Newsday, Billy and Weight have been bragging about LI all season, I still think there is a chance Billy might be back in July depending on how pitt does this year. What are your thoughts CB????? -
jaf10 says:
rags got morris
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Michael says:
really dissapointed Garth didnt get any size for this team. I mean cmon now with the subtraction of Guerin the Isles have to be the smallest team in the NHL.
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Now the Thompson>Sim move does not make sense.
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bigwiggs says:
we will have another chance to do this the next couple of years as we continue to parade these second tier veterans in on one year deals every year.
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Morris to the Rag$? LOL the rich just get richer
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Islanders1984 says:
Even if another deal fell through, snow dropped the ball
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isles315 says:
We get a draft pick Rangers get Antropov and Derek Morris this sucks
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antropov is a clone of kvasha, i hope he screws things up in midtown
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morris and antro isnt that good
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Anyone else notice that thus far the only 1st rounder to trade hands today was in the Olli Jokinen deal. He of course is a former Islander and one of the best power forwards in the entire league. A 4 time 30 goal scorer. We got a first rounded for Campoli!!!!
How can anyone not be thrilled with garth.
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I do not understand how the Rangers can fit that much more salary in when they were near the cap already.
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Rags just moved Kalinen, Dawes and Prucha for D Morris
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WOW. John Sim blockbuster!!
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wow – kilinin dawes and prucha
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snow did what he can none of these players got anything
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cuz the one sitting there looks like an idiot
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Morris is and has always been over-rated. Dawes is a nice pickup for Phoenix.
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Rangers gave up WAY too much for a rental.
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That is awful if they gave up that much for Morris.
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cuz the one sitting there looks like a retard
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We really have some lost fans. How can you say we got value for Guerin. At least a 3rd was warranted. You guys are really Snow’s lemmings, “Garth, which way is the cliff”. I honestly though even on this sight that people would be able to except the fact that there is a loose nut behind the wheel!
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OK, so the rags had to give up prucha, dawes, and kalinin
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cap space cleared with guys they traded
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they gave up prucha, dawes and kalinin. kalinin was a bust, i think prucha and dawes have 2nd line potential. good move for coyotes. they got younger, more cap space and more draft picks.
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phoenix wins this deadline hands down. Awful trade by the rangers.
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Seth says:
If there was a deal for Guerin that fell apart a few days ago, then today’s deal was mostly likely a favor to Guerin. Snow was probably doing the right thing and saved him the embarassment of having to return to the team, when he clearly was being traded.
The trade is a zero impact trade. Guerin wasn’t making much of an impact for us and wasn’t going to make one in the future, just like a conditional pick won’t make much of a difference for us either.
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I have to admit, I love what PHX has done at the deadline.
They are probably the winners of this years deadline deals.If the RAGS miss the playoffs they are no doubt the biggest losers.
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Wow talk about overpay. Rags will need to do something this year
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PHO and NYR trading partners is like NYI and EDM.
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Wang just please sell the team. We know all you care about is Long Island real estate anyway. End the misery!!!
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stevedepot says:
John, post # 690,
well said…PR disaster. Please disregard anyone who tells you otherwise. All of Canada is laughing at this deal (from TSN, CBC to those on leafs lunch and sportsnet) and the only ones defending Garth are a handful of fellow Islander fans who’d buy a bridge from him if offered. Pens have (2) 3rd rounders in upcoming draft. Their own and the one they received in the Malone deal with Tampa Bay. But all we’re guaranteed is a 5th after all the drama since Saturday. Think it could have been handled differently? last thing we needed and it blows up in Garth’s face. Bad press and such following this deal along with disgruntled veterans being moved who have nothing nice to say about org makes for even worse perception about our franchise. I’m sure many a free agent will be chomping at the bit to sign here at fair market value. But some fans don’t get it. That’s fine. Have your opinions but the whole hockey world thinks you’re clueless just like our GM with their laughter, once again. -
Glad to see Dawes out of NYC. He always played well against us. Derek Morris is Wade Redden-lite, enjoy Ranger fans.
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Matt 917 and others there must be Isles employees on this blog trying to save face LOL….we are still a long standing bad joke
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HAHAHA Sather is dumber than Snow!
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the rangers never keep young guys
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tony 883 – common really? its the frickin rags. u know what goes on at msg after hours involving sather, dolan, campbell, and that douchebag bettman.
heres hoping prucha and dawes turn into 40 goal scorers and the rags miss the playoffs. antropov and zherdev take the lirr to the lighthouse…who am i kidding that wont get done either.
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Why could we not package any of our other players that are not going to be here next year for draft picks. Macammond, Weight, Hilbert. I thought all of them should have been tried to be moved.
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Dawes and Prucha are 2 of the better young players the Rangers have in their entire organization. How could they give them up for Morris? Crazy. If snow did something like that everyone here would lose their minds.
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Have we ever hand 1k posts on a topic before?
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If Garth had a deal on the table and the other team backed out then oh well but what really hurt guerins value was the Logan article gms were licking their chops after that one. If I was the islanders and garth I would be furious with Logan.
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Morris has never lived up to his early potential. He’s now another Wade Redden.
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Sather is dumb. That was an awful trade for Morris and Antropov stinks too.
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930 Well said. And people wonder why players dont want to play here???????
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HAHA RANGERS JUST GOT BENT OVER WAY TO GO PHOENIX
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Seth with one of the more funny posts. If Snow really did that he would need to go!
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Don Maloney’s a better GM than Garth Snow.
LOL!
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Chris, What is the benefit of sending down Sim? Is this to get JJ another game on the Island?
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Rags are much, much bigger joke than us !
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so what is the lineup for the rangers now
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The Ice Man says:
It is time the Isles outed the initial team in the Guerin deal and blasted them publicly for backing out. It will instruct others not to trust that particular GM/Owner. Those are the folks with whom I have a problem, not Snow, Guerin, Logan, Wang or anyone on this side that some knucklehaeds are blaming.
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Oh, thank GOD, Nate Thompson is back, Gordon will be sooo happy!
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Leafs are really unloading, stockpiling picks
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Tell me that the Islanders are not trying to TANK. They just sent their hottest scorer to the Farm. What a bunch of …
Could not organize a flat of beer on a weekend fishing trip.
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Strummer's Army says:
If they Isles wanted to give Pitt a 2nd rounder it could have turned into a similar deal as the Recchi one.
Glad to see Thompson activated. I am no Jon Sim fan but this move seems odd. Not waiving him when they did hoping some team would take on his contract for next year but unless more guys come off injuries I am pretty sure they are two forwards short.
I had said the one thing Snow cannot do is do nothing both for the management of assets and the public relations disaster. Well he did next to nothing it looks like.
Three offers for Martinek and you cna’t close one of them? If he just did the GUerin deal then that means there will be plenty of folks who walk this summer. If the pick is a third rounder I don’t mind it. Guerin’s play dropped off badly but if that is all you did Garth shame on you!
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New York Islanders hockey: Experience our lack of experience.
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how are the isles above the cap floor right now? and how are the rangers not over the cap?
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moore to buff i like that
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2nd round pick for dominick moore. are u kidding???????????????????
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i still cant believe how well the coyotes did.
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Justin says:
Phoenix did what I wanted the Islanders to do at the deadline…get younger and quicker. And they got actual bodies, not picks that will play for this team in 2013 if at all. Drafting is not an exact science, how many 2nd and 3rd rounders make an impact…less than half?
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Matt – Guerin had a no move clause. Yes, he waived it, but he could have stuck it to us like Sundin, Macabe, et al. did to T.O. last year.
The fact that we could potentially get a 3rd rounder is a bonus.
We are no lemmings!!
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722, yes it is a PR disaster. They obviously had another deal with another club and leaked it over the weekend, which blew up the deal. They then spent the next several days doing damage control, which also obviously was a failure just like this organization has been for oh, about the last 15 years. The tentative deal over the weekend had to have been better than this one because it can’t get worse than this one. So yes it’s a Public Relations disaster. Public Relations has a very simple meaning. It’s one’s ability to have a relationship and contact with the public, with your audience, with your fan base. And this lady is a PR disaster.
A similar move was the one that Boston made for Recchi earlier in the day and TB got a couple of assets back. The Islanders got zilch in their deal because their hand was forced, especially in light of the fact that yet another Islanders coach and his players don’t get along, with Guerin at the forefront of that. So please, enlighten me some more.
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pro rated salaries #948
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Brian B says:
We have so many picks in this draft, Snow prob tried to get a 1st. roudner…couldn’t. tried to get good prospects…couldn’t. Realized that he can still trade Marti, Witt, and others on draft day. He also realizes that this rebuild is going to take a few years and its not all about this draft.
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Jon Sim sent to Bridgeport. Nate Thompson activated. What is this love of Nate Thompson? No great Sim fan but Nate?
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dominic moore for a 2nd rounder?
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Phoenix did well, and Toronto picked up quite a few picks.
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in a semi-related topic:
who wears the “C” now?
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Nice Toronto get’s a 2nd for Moore we get a 5th for Guerin. But hey everyone Nate Thompson will be back to get injured in 3 games.
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Kudos now for SNow deal with for Campoli for the the 1st round pick…
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Close to 1000 posts! New record CB?
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I have never heard of anyone on earth mentioning the “cap floor” other than on this site. Why is this brought up every day on here?
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Is it JUNE yet?
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Ice Man…… Do you think Lou in Jersey would have made that mistake? He would not have pulled Guerin off the ice until that GM signed off on the deal.
i would have to think there was another reason why this fell through.
If it fell through because of a GM backing out that is Snow’s fault. An experienced GM would never get rooked like that.
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I can’t believe they didnt do more.
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tsn reports no chris neil trade, nhl.com says neil to florida… weird
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whats morris’ contract status?? he signed beyond this year??
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Islesin2010 says:
Nate Thompson is a decent player but the only reason why he is up here is because he is a “gordon player” from Providence. I am sick of Gordon, a rookie NHL coach giving preferntial treatment to guys he likes. Why does this guy have the right. Sim has been a disapointment, but he gives just as much effort and production if not more than a lot of guys on this team, especially Thompson. Bring up a kid like iggulden who can at least bring something to the table for the future.
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i hope avery and antro get hurt now
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nyislanders93 says:
Disgraceful trade by Garth Snow. A 5th round pick that can possibly turn into a 4th round pick is nothing. There is maybe a 5% chance that the Penguins win the cup this year.
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Is there a prize for post #1000?
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so much for that rebuild at msg eh?
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Is Derek Morris really worth that much?
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if someone dropped garth at the altar, he has a tough decision. protect the other gm and maybe gain some respect, or call him out to the media and satisfy me….
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Yes 974! You get to be GM
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Iggulden is like 4 years older than Thompson, the only future he has is in Bridgeport.
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i dont get what the rags are doing are they really going to make a good run this year?
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everyone should relax now because what snow did is definitely not as bad as what sather did today. clownshoe maloney straight robbed him
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Nate Thompson, good that he’ll be in the lineup Thursday, he takes no guff from anyone and you know Avery will be out there looking to cause some trouble amongst our kids.
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Good luck to Bill Guerin in Pittsburgh. He was all class his entire time with the Islanders and was a terrific role model for our rookies. A 3rd or 4th round pick sounds about right considering Snows hands were tied when picking teams to try to trade with, there was no demand and that’s the reality of this deal. There were only a few teams involved because Guerin wanted to stay near the northeast. Gordon has done great with our younger players including Danis and he will be a fine coach. Snow isn’t the best GM in the NHL but he’s doing what is right for the future of this team. This year has been hard on EVERYONE.
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Chris says:
i was starting to finally like jon sim.
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they are playing boston or nj in round 1
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Nate will never be more than a 3rd or 4 line guy. A checking line guy. A dime a dozen. Leave Sim here or bring up another kid and lets see what we got coming from Bridgeport
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Wow what did everyone really think was going to happen. The Pens did us a favor by taking Guerin. The original trade fell through and Guerin didnt want to come back here.
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i will watch Nate Thompson for 82 games than Jon Sim anyday. at least Nate Thompson fights
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It’s a 5th round pick that becomes a 4th if they make the playoffs, and a 3rd if they win a round.
Not a 5th that becomes a 4th if they win the cup.
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Dear Garth Snow,
YOU ARE AN IDIOT
PLEASE QUIT
JT
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-DanNOLA
Hell. No.
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Jeez,
Looking forward to when everyting dies down and all the poeple who are never on this site are gone. You guys think the Guerin trade was a disgrace? This thread was absolutely the biggest disgrace of the day. CB, on behalf of all 1000 posters here, I apologize. -
Ryan Tendrup says:
So how many picks do we have all together in this draft?
.. I don’t exactly agree with what we got for Guerin. Although I agree we had to get something for him. Pittsburgh has been on a roll. I think they have an outside shot for the 2nd round of the playoffs.. So if we get the 3rd rounder I will be content.
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And take “go-go” with you
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Anyone know if there are more deals coming down the pipe?
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I expected more for Guerin being that it was a Sellers market, but so far only 1st round pick given up today is for Jokinen. Let us not forget the Campoli / Comrie trade that got us a 1st rounder. Snow did good there.
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Pens will make playoffs. After that depends who they face.
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Chris A says:
Rags trying to buy a cup like they always do with the money we give them for watching the “Isles on “MSG +” watch out for Calgary now with O.J. and Leopold
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Bottom line here! Garth Snow did nothing today to improve this team! That’s the fact Jack!
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971
So we call late first round picks early second round picks now?
Guerin and Comrie were traded for a conditional pick and Dean McAmmond
Campoli was traded for a first round pick.
Mike Green….you know the defenseman who has 20 some odd goals for Washington was taken 29th
Ryan Getzlaf….young number 1 center with Anaheim….27th
But they were early second rounders…so they must be worth nothing….right?
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1k Congrat CB
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Prucha was a straight salary dump and Kalinin is terrible but the inclusion of Dawes is what makes that deal ridiculous. Also Morris is a UFA so in essence the Rangers gave up three NHL-ready players, all of them at least decent, for a rental. Someone upthread said it best, if you like Wade Redden you’ll LOVE Derek Morris.
Yotes are out East to play the Bruins so Morris should be in uniform tomorrow. Not sure about Antropov.
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On behalf of the Islanders I apologizing for being the laughing stock of sports for 15 years
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we are lucky we got taht for guerin we could of just let him go for nothing.
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Cmon can we get some news.
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I still think it was a good deal and who is to say that Snow was done?
Just cuz we haven’t heard a deal doesnt meant there isnt one. Stay tuned
And with the way the season has been there were few sellers and most of the buyers were close to the cap, that ties the hands of many many teams.
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Jay says:
Stop being embarrassed. What does 20 more games of Bill Guerin do for the franchise? Nothing. They got a return, which is better than no return. Hopefully this helps us finish last.
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why don’t all you snow haters go cheer for the RAGS we don’t need ya
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we’re going to be in for another tough yr next season. But, it’s ok bc look at pit. They were terrible for a few yrs and look what happened. The hopefully we will still be here Isles will be really good in 3 yrs. But, it will be painful to watch the next few seasons
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Hey guys it could be worse!
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We could be the Rangers! HAHAHA
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Brian1976 says:
My guess is the new captain will be Witt when he comes back. I would love to see Hunter or Park get it, they both play the game hard and would be good examples for the young guys. As for the trade, Guerin had to go, it was evident from Saturday on. I would much rather get a draft pick for him now, then to let he leave for nothing after the season. Also, the awkwardness after the whole initial trade would still be there. But make no mistake about it, the pressure is on Snow and the scouting department to make this draft a good one!!!
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Wow, still so much hate for our GM. No matter what he does he can do nothing right. 2 years ago he makes the trade of the year and people kill him for it. Last year he doesn’t and people kill him for it. This year we get a first rounder for Campoli, MacAmmond for Toe Drag, and another pick for a guy who wouldn’t be here in two months anyway, and people kill him for it. Whatever.
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morris is a ufa after this year?
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DPS – you are either a troll or no nothing about hockey.
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Lance says:
WAKE UP ISLANDER FANS, as long as you have an owner who is losing money on the team each year, you will be at the cap floor and at the floor in the standings! You guys spend more time concentrating on fringe NHL’ers like Jon Sim, than concentrating on the fact that you haven’t won a playoff series in 15 years, and barely have an NHL level roster! It’s all about not spending any money, oh I mean “rebuilding”!!! hahahahahahahahahahaha! and by the way I’m a season ticket holder!
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DanNOLA
Completely concur.
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Brian says:
Meh. Not a huge, wonderful trade, but better than nothing. Good job on the Campoli trade, meh on the Guerin. Room for another young player to prove his worth. Not many earth shattering trades this year for any team. Few overpayments for players, people being stingy with their prospects. How many picks are we at now? Isles table may as well be on the stage so we don’t have to walk up every 2 seconds.
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Surprised no one took Jon Sim for a bag of pucks.
OH WELL, lets see if anything else went down before I start bitching and moaning.
Pat
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Snow will hopefully learn a lesson about pulling a player for two games without a deal in place. Get it through your heads – having a deal fall through is the same as having NO DEAL. It’s like me trying to buy a house that is beyond my price range. The seller agrees to the price that I can’t afford, but the bank says no deal to the mortgage. I don’t get the house in that scenario…
But for the rest of you who think everything Snow does is wrong, or that Gordon is the worst coach – folks, GET A GRIP. You can’t on the one hand claim that the kids are playing noticeably better (and they are) and at the same time claim that Gordon sucks as a coach, or that Snow doesn’t know who to keep around. And a late first rounder for Campoli and the dead wood Comrie – GREAT TRADE…Streit – GREAT signing. Now we all have to pray that the draft class rate at least a B+ not including Tavares or Hedman. -
Dank 516 says:
Good. Pens are my second favorite next to Islanders so I’m glad they sent him to a good team.
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Why macch you think we have been good for the last 15 years? Wake up
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Take a players salary and divide by 188 days, the length of the ’08-09 season. Then multiply that number by the number of days left in the season. That is the cap hit going forward and why the Rags are under the cap.
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XJD says:
Nate Thompson= Scottie’s little buddy from Providence, I don’t get it. Sim was playing with confidence and producing now this?
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TSN talking about the Wings and how the NHL has “no cap on scouting”. Obvious no floor to cap, as evidenced by our GM/Goalie.
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In support of Snow, the market decides what Guerin is worth. Snow got market rate. Does anyone think another GM could miraculously put a gun to another GM’s head and get 1st-2nd rounder? That’s not how it works.
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I’m not defending the Snow trade but Snow was not the worst GM out there today, just look at what the Rags and Flyers did. I feel a little better now when TSN asks what was the worst trade today it won’t be the Guerin trade.
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You are bang on Lance
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I guess we are left to wait to see if we get #1 overall and see who is available in free agency. The next is how can we convince any FA to come to the Island. An announcement on ground breaking for the Lighthouse Project would be nice.
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DanNola, I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of those over the top posts are written by the same person and he is not an Isles fan, just a troll.
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Dan in NJ says:
#101 — Are you kidding me?!?!?! What did you expect. We are in the middle of a rebuild and we are certainly not trading youth for rentals. We are in last place. Who cares about getting better this year. Its all about next year and the year after. If you watched the team lately I would say that the future looks good without Guerin, Comrie, Campoli, and Sim.
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Loudville330 says:
Seeing the trades that the Rangers have recently done, this makes me even more than ever to have the Isles beat the Rag$
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1029. It will be the Morris trade without a doubt.
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As much as I hated the Guerin deal, it’ll be a shame if we didn’t trade Doug Weight. I mean, a 7th rounder is better than keeping him. Everyone is concerned about re-signing him, but if we get Taveres, there is no room for him anyway.
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Beating the Rags. a must!!
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IS MORRIS A UFA NEXT YEAR?
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hurt those pussies tomrrow
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The Islanders are being disrespected around the league, hummmmmm, I wonder why players do not want to play for this team.
It can’t be geographical, other players love to go to NY Rags and NJ.
It can’t be the weather, other teams have far worse weather conditions for their players to live in.
I wonder hat it is????
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Chris – when’s Snow gonna speak?
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Morris AND antropov are UFA’s this year
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Is it just the comments, or the commenters, who change depending on which way the wind is blowing? Because it seems that the public opinion of Garth on this site is more fragile than Shawn Bates’ groin.
As I’ve said all along, Garth doesn’t fool me, and clearly he didn’t fool any other GMs today.
At the same time, since when did a 2nd round draft pick become such a hot commodity? The majority of 2nd round picks have little or no impact in the NHL.
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The Rangers traded 3 players and 2 draft picks for players who will become UFA’s July 1 and they can’t afford to sign.
and some of you think our GM is asleep at the wheel?
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You know.. if you’re an elite goal scorer (or think you are), the Isles would be an awesome test to see how many fans you can actually pull to a team. Let’s say we average 10,000 fans this season. Gaborik (I know, I know) signs and we jump to 16,000. As a player, knowing I am the reason 6,000 fans show up to games would put a huge smile on his face…not to mention his bank account. The Isles would have to pay him like $10m a season to come to LI lol
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Guerin got a 5th
Dominic Moore–a journyman got a 2–what???
Can we get a real GM. He has been doing this for 3 years!!! enough is enough!!
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Mike B says:
I believe I will stab a pencil in both of my ears if I have to hear this 2010 winter Olympics commercial again on tsn’s trade center feed.
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Eric says:
WHy would anyone trade a 2nd round pick for Guerin?? A definite 3rd would have been nice and which is what I was expecting. Pens will make the playoffs so it will be a 4th or a 3rd. Just forget about Guerin. He was a 3rd liner getting 1st line minutes.
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hmm, 3 million hits today?
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XJD, there is a lot more that goes into a decision on which player best fits what you’re trying to do. There is locker room prescence, leadership issues, work ethic, etc. You have to think outside the box and realize the Sim thing could simply be a matter of who has better chemistry with his teammates, who practices hard, who can follow instructions etc. A LOT goes into these decisions and IMO just because Sim was playing hard the past few games (trying out for a new team anyone?)doesn’t mean he is what is best for the NYI moving forward.
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Not so much worried about today’s events….what is going to happen at the draft…..very possible we make moves then to move up in the draft with that 2nd 1st rounder.
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We have 4 pts in 2 games with BG out of the lineup and 43 pts in 63 with BG in the lineup. Do the math.
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Hunter07 says:
Very disappointed how Snow handled this whole thing. I didn’t expect much for Guerin, but Snow did a very poor job handling everything. And being a 3rd year GM, it is no longer rookie mistakes.
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I give Snow a C- because of the Campoli,Comrie trade but since then the fact he did nothing is a disgrace. We are the last place team in the league and dont do anything to improve the team and are just going to lose guys like Weight and Hilbert maybe.
I’m fired up.
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When did Don Maloney become a good GM??????????????
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Looks like Sather’s playing “Pin the tail on the donkey”. Throwing darts while blindfolded and hoping to hit a bullseye.
Great to see them move a 2nd rounder for a floater.
Nice to see them fleeced for Derek Morris. Dawes and Prucha are solid energy wingers w/some scoring upside. Morris is another big question-mark.
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(1055) When he moved to Phoenix.
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sean says:
What does this say to JT or Hedman? Welcome to a team that didnt try to help their future. I wouldnt sign with them.
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Milo – Maloney became a good GM when he got to fleece Sather of the talent he helped build up in New York.
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@ NYC MAtt (965)
Garth did nothing wrong in protecting an asset he was about to move. And yes, NJ Lou would have done the same as would any of the long-time, highly regarded GMs in the game. That said, could Garth have played it a little better, yes, but come on, he and therefore we as Isles fans are the ones who got screwed. Unless that same GM/Owner is making it up to us on another deal (if it is WAS, how about Ovechkin for Weight & Martinek – lol) Garth should let them have it publicly. -
Toronto,Phoenix,and Tampa knew what to do today. Colorado made a good trade for themselves.
What exactly happened to make nothing happen?
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The more I think about it, the less I understand the Morris trade.
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To think the pick for Campoli was supposed to set the bar, instead it looks like it was the only move to land a first rounder so not a bad job by Snow on that end. It looks like Guerin was moved just because the Isles had already committed to doing something with him. You can’t really think that “Waiver Day” was a disaster because of that one deal.
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they should resign weight for next year. Weight and Witt give the team good veteran leadership from both sides of the puck.
F the Rangers!! -
last place team this year, with the basic same line up next year, means same results
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Gillies Goring says:
The Isles moves will come at the draft table this summer. Not sure how many last-place teams go into the deadline looking to make a splash… I know I wouldn’t. Colorado make any big pick-ups? Atlanta? Nope.
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CB is the Sim move just paperwork to bring him around on re-entry in hopes that someone takes him half price, or is he really going to Bridgeport?
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I guess we only have to wait over 10 years for Snow to learn the ropes like Maloney has.
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Smitty031 says:
Why is Nate Thompson here over Sim??
at least Sim has shown some signs of life these last few games, what has Thompson shown at all?
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I don’t think the trade was bad consider the following factors:
1. Guerin’s trade value dropped tremendously since the past trade fell through. The whole league knew that the Isles had to find a way to unload him some how before the deadline.
2. Guerin has a NTC and was picky about being moved to an Eastern Contender. So out of 29 other teams, you’re talking about trading him to about possibly 9 of them.
If we get a 3rd rounder out of this deal, I’m more than happy. It’s what I expected us to get for Guerin in the first place.
I would’ve liked one more deal but I’m sure it was hard enough finding a deal for Guerin that time just ran out. There’s still waiver trades.
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Colorado got a first round pick and a prospect for Leopold so yes they did.
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Why are we bitching about BG. I thought we’d get a third and we got a 5th which will likely be at least a 4th. I’ll give him a C on that deal and an A++ getting a first rounder from Ottawa. Overall I think Snow gets a B. I understand the lack of news today was a bit of a letdown but look at the big picture of realistically getting a 1st and 3rd out of Guerrin, Comrie, and Campoli.
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ken says:
so i hope that all the fans are excited about these great draft choices down the road
3 yrs from now
as we wont see them
as the isles wont be on li
they will be the kc scouts
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CB – Snow couldn’t at least trade McAmmond & Hilbert for 7th round picks…to clear roster space for younger players like Trevor Smith?
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trizzel says:
How in the world do you send Sim down and activated Nate Thompson. Nate is Gordons little butt buddy. I’m sick of having guys who are good at one thing playing defense on this team. A guy starts scoring putting up points and you send him down and put a guy who can not score. Thompson is useless. Besides getting hurt every other game. What a joke. Garth is an azz.
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Jethro09 says:
Guering for a fifth round pick sucks. Miserable trade. Absolutely useless. Escalates to a third IF Pitt makes the playoffs, he plays half the games and they win a round? Still a bad trade. Guerin re-signed with Weight would have been more valuable to the Islanders than a fifth round (remotely possible 3rd round) pick. All this BS over the past five days for a miserable fifth round pick? Not worth it.
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Today Milo
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smitty (1069)
Thompson has been hurt…what do you want him to do? And last I checked, he had a pretty nice game against the Rangers in the past….
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This team will start to get better the minute Snow is fired. This is yet another disappointing day in recent Islander history. I feel sick right now. Why is Brendan Witt still here? We couldn’t get anything for Doug Weight. The guy will be back in a week or 2 and he could have really helped somebody. This season is one disaster after another that will somehow end with us getting the 3rd overall pick or worse, and then seeing Garth Blow trade down to 9 again so we get another potential 2nd to 3rd liner.
Thanks for nothing…I’m not spending another dime on this team
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Eminger for Welch and a 3rd round pick in conference?!?!?!
I dont get it CB why doesnt snow offer up Hillen and a 3rd. Or just one of our countless 2nds. Eminger is a solid young dman. He would more than replace Campoli.
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And we got a first-rounder in the Campoli deal… should we have waited ’til today?
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…and Nate Thompson stinks
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When Hedman or Tavares is seen pulling an Isles sweater over his head on Draft Day, today will be a minor, minor footnote in this franchise’s history.
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Next Captain: Brendan Witt, so long as they don’t plan on trading him for a fifth round pick at next year’s deadline.
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Now i know why Sim wasn’t traded. With today’s Islander pricing, he was only worth an undrafted free agent.
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although i have to give it somewhat to Snow he was the only gm who got a 1st rounder
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although i have to give it somewhat to Snow he was the only gm who got a 1st rounder
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The Sharks got a 6th rounder for Kyle McClaren!!!!! That’s almost as much as we got for Guerin and the guy isn’t even playing in the NHL!!
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ONE TRADE! and an idiotic return at that! Yep my Isles are heading in the right direction! Complete Garbage Snow! I will be chanting Snow S****! @ Verizon on 4/1
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So Garth Snow and Glen Sather are on their way to a GM conference when their plane goes down. They’re stuck on a small desert island.
Sather, luckily, has a few bags of those airline pretzels they give out, and Garth’s got three bottles of water. They quickly decide on a trade so each can have both food and a little water while they hope for a rescue.
Sather gives all the pretzels to Garth for an empty bottle. Garth then buries the pretzels in the sand and waters them, “for future considerations.”
Welcome to New York!
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Bryan, Hillen will replace Campoli
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Next captain of the Isles should be Trent Hunter
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(1087) Sim cleared waivers twice…pretty sure if no one wants him for damn near free, no one will trade a pick for him.
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-1081, Witt is still here because he wants to be here. Nobody wants to trade for someone Weight’s age who is on the IR, calm down.
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Hey Mr. Wang, Get your head out of your a$$ and hire a REAL hockey guy for our GM. Just because you’re all tangled up in Lighthouse crap doesn’t mean you should forgetabout your investment. At least Mad Mike tried!
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I believe Witt should be captain, but they will probably give it to Hunter. He is going to be here longer and Gordon went out of his way on Sunday to point out he expects Hunter to fill the leadership void left by Guerin’s impending departure.
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Can we stop calling the Guerin move a trade and call it what it was, a DUMP!
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Today was a failure. Doug Weight should have been traded. No way around it. I can’t wait to see how much loyalty he shows if we draft Tavares. “Hey Doug, since we didn’t trade you can you come back and play 9 minutes a night as our fourth line center?”
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not very good with scarcasm, eh brian?
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Sather and Snow true Morons!
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To 1080
Well in the 28 games he’s played he has exactly 2 points.and my point is why would you send down Sim just when he’s starting to do something?i just dont understand the move.
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Nobody can trade an undrafted free agent
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you guys are all dumb there was no good deals offered to us. We could only get a 5th or 4t for guerin imagin what we would get for everyone else
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Bedell says:
i faked sick and got my way outa school today for this???? Very dissapointed, now i have to make up a crap load of work because i thought it would be atleast alittle exciting but all we get is 5th for the whole day. Not very pissed at snow he did what he thought was right but still disappointed. Ive got one question though last year we got a 6th for Simon and this year we get a 5th for guerin. Now how the hell is guerin only getting one round better than chris Simon?
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Section 320 rocks!!!!!! says:
very disappointing day! At least the raggies overpayed for Morris! From what I read he is basically a redden clone.
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My bad Garth wants to make sure we get the #1 draft pick. So we will have to watch 20 games with guys who can’t score in the line up.
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Columbus gets schmucko jackson from calgary for a 4th round pick and snow cant figure out to trade macdonald there for the same? I mean come on!
This is a disgrace. Im sorry, im usually optimistic but this is a disgrace. Awful job.
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(1100) sorry, sarcasm loses something in translation to text. I do think Hunter will get the C. Who knows… he just might blossom a bit more with the C on him… lord knows he needs a kick in the pants sometimes. Shoot Trent, you have a damn good shot!
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Mr4742, regardless of unknown variables, you have to treat the players with respect, maybe this is just paper work like someone else noted to try and offload him for half price
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The fair weather fans are at it again. It is unbelievable that everyone is killing Snow here. But in 3 months at the draft when we pick Tavares or Hedman and then trade up and pick in the 15-20 range, you will all think he is a great GM. Then when FA period begins in 7/1 and he signs a big time Free agent or 2 then you will be building a statue for him. There is a plan in place, please be patient and let it play out.
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Shawn says:
You guys are killing me about being mad about Thompson over Sim? I would take Thompson over Mr.Rat Man anyday. As for the trades the whole league was quiet so don’t complain about Garth. After the Comrie/Campoli deal I didnt think Garth could top that…so time to look to what we can do around the draft.
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Izzy: Wang made it clear that he doesn’t care about the on-ice product and only will spend money when he has his real estate venture in place.
This is yet another failure by this sorry organization. Get ready for another failure this summer when we can’t reel in any finishers and miss out on Tavares.
This is not a surprise, just another dissapointment.
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Pretty lame day overall for the Orange, White and Blue.
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For those of you bashing Dominic Moore yielding a 2nd rounder I hope you’ve been following hockey longer than 3-4 years. He came into his own this year in Toronto, kills penalties, has 41 points wins faceoffs and is one of the better up and coming shut down centers out there…a real character guy ala Stu Barnes with more speed and better hands/hockey sense just entering his prime. Well worth a 2nd rounder.
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I really think that if we waited on Comrie and Campoli, we might not have gotten a first round pick. Too much in the market, and the only player pulling a first rounder was a proven scorer like Jokinen.
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The Flames got a fourth rounder for Kevin Lalande……I don’t even know who the hell that is!
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We’re getting all worked up over Thompson vs. Sim? Does it matter which 4th liner plays? Geez. Some people need to get out into the fresh air, breathe deep and relax.
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Why couldn’t he get anything for a guy who can’t walk and may not fully come back from his injury?! CB , I know you tell us not to bash other posters opinions but OMG! You can’t tell me that most of these comments aren’t coming from Rag fans. Thank you to all of the Rag fans for making Islanders Point Blank even more popular than it already is! GO NYI!
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the real truthster says:
what the hell does trading a 36 year old no movment clause vet have to do with that Adam 1115
or do you just rythmically repeat the same “talking points”
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Would HAVE, should HAVE, could HAVE. Really.
I love what Phoenix did today. Lombardi, Upshall, Dawes, Prucha and more – plus picks – for Jokinen, Morris, and Carcillo. Good day for the ‘yotes.
And, finally, CB, hate to say it but the above is what you got for all of your hard work and for the popularity of this site blowing up. Free-for-all in the sandbox. I’m with whoever said that they’re no longer reading below what’s in bold. Embarrassing.
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I can see why they dropped Sim to Bridgeport. I see him being one of the veterans that does not like Gordon and if the young guys are thriving, no need for a cancer in the locker room. Also, maybe some will take him off of re-entry waivers so we only have to pay half next year. I don’t want to start the Fritz comments again, but without Witt and the Rangers dressing Avery and Orr, Islanders need a presence against the Rangers. I know everyone says Fritz is horrible, but if we want to finish last, why wouldn’t you want him on the roster then? Regarding Martinek, I think we can get more value for him at the draft imo
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IslesPassion21 says:
What is the logic behind this trade???
I don’t see any benefit in a low draft pick for a leader and a class act like Billy Gueren…I sometimes wonder if I can keep dealing with the disappointments… I have to say, if a guy like Okposo becomes a free agent and we let him go…If they do I might just throw in the towel…
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Hoenstly, I have to laugh- I really do. There are people complaining that we didnt get some top pick or prospect for BG- a person who these very same people complaining have been saying is old, washed up, useless, worthless, etc. WTG. When I said we should keep the guy, there were 34583490 responses saying that to getting ANYTHING for him, even the overtyped “bag of pucks” was better than keeping him. That is what you said, but now you still complain.
And now there are people complaining that Jon Sim will not be in the lineup, in favor of one of the Isles kids. However, a week ago these same people said that they didnt like Jon Sim being in the lineup because it takes time away from one of the kids. they demanded that Snow waive him, send him to BPT, etc. That is what you said, but now you still complain.
Folks, there is nothing that will make you happy… nothing.
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Adam: You’re right. I’m just pissed and fed up. I was fairly high on Garth for what he did at last years draft but i think that was just a flash in the pan type of day.
On a day where the snow is starting to melt on Long Island…..oh yeah and that white stuff on the ground is starting to melt too.
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Merrick says:
For me, the bottom line is that the entire Guerin situation was handled very poorly by Snow. I’m old and can’t recall anything like it in any sport. It’s one thing to pull and protect a highly coveted asset with extraordinary trade value and quite another to witness what we have since Saturday for what at best will be approximately the 75th pick in the draft.
I’m sure we’ll hear more ahead, but I agree with those who believe this episode will continue to fuel the belief around the league–especially with players, that the Islanders are a complete Mickey Mouse hockey organization.
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What makes anybody think that a 39 year old player with a knee injury that won’t even play for another 3 weeks has any value? At all? For crying out loud the whiners would only just complain if Snow only got a 5th rounder for him.
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It is funny you can’t blame Snow for not moving Satan last year when any team could have had him this year for free and decided against it…
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Well, overpaying for Derek Morris is def the worst deal of the day. He is horrible
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Did someone really just say the, “fair weather fans are at it again.” This team has fair weather fans? This place is like the damn North Pole. We haven’t had fair weather in 15 years.
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1118 we did get a first rounder for Campoli. We got what we could for BG, that is all he is worth. He is not even a 2nd round pick. If some team gave Garth more that what the pens offered dont you think he would have taken it.
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I have to stop refreshing my screen. I cant take some of the people on this list. Is everyone else on here just messing around and joking about how horrible of a day this is for the isles? I dont understand what is happening. Everyone knew Guerin was available and this is all we could get. Do people think that we turned down a 2nd rounder so we could take a conditional 5th? We didnt trade Weight(who is hurt) or hilbert who is a journeyman and probably worthless. I dont buy this garbage that we ruined Guerins trade value by holding him out of games, where is the logic in that?
WHAT else could Garth do???? Someone please explain it to me. PLEASE!
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How do they send Sim to Bridgeport after his best game as an Islander?
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As pissed as people are right now nothing compares to July 1st 2007 when everyone was signing big FA’s left and right and we signed jon sim
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Dan in NJ (1113): No they will not. They will bash Snow then too- for not being able to trade FMIV, Tambs, and 2 second rounders to Atlanta so they can pick BOTH of them in the draft. Sadly, Im waiting for it.
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I do love how much the Rags gave up to get Morris. Makes me feel a tad bit better. lol
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Jim M says:
Honestly what the hell were some of you expecting. Guerin was invisible on the ice without Weight. 4 points in his past 17 games. If it could turn into a 3rd rounder great. If not o well, this opens up a spot for one of our younger guys to stick around. Is that not the plan people??? Really hoping that Hilbert will be signed back this summer and between sillinger, weight, guerin that will open up 11 mil. Time to make a splash this summer, obviously whoever we get will be overpaid crazy
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do you guys really know what happened? i mean really not know? ive been saying this all week to the clowns saying “i hope we get a late 1st rounder for martinek.” WE HAVE NO ASSETS.
Bill Guerin is terrible. We are better without him, hes a FA, and he has a NTC.
Brendan Witt is a good guy but he’s minus 100 and we wanted a first rounder for him.
Radek Martinek is literally made of glass.
Every forward on our team but Bergenheim, Okposo, and Bailey is a FOURTH LINE NHL checking player. And guess what, every other team ahead of us in the standings already has their own 4th line guys who have been with their team since August.
If your a team battling since September to get to where you are, do you want to axe a guy from your locker room to take a guy the NEW YORK ISLANDERS DO NOT WANT??
cmon guys, give Snow a break. He is trying, but this is a long process after what Milbury did to us.
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1135: Well for one he could have packaged Guerin with a 2nd rounder to get a finisher. That’s one thing.
He could have packaged Guerin with a 2nd round for a top 4 d-man. That’s another.
Should I continue?
I’m not saying we should have been big time buyers but why not get a guy that can play on the squad next year and contribute?
We didn’t even dump all of our dead weight. Remarkably bad job here.
Now what happens when we inevitably get snuffed come July? Garth better have an amazing plan for draft day if he expects the fan base to REMAIN a fan base.
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Last post for the day. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion BUT, if you are so truly fed up with everything Islanders here’s a suggestion/request. Instead of constantly complaining, bashing, and name calling, why don’t you just pick another team to follow. Why ruin it for the rest of us who like to hold on to the hope that this team will be good again? We won’t blame you for leaving and everyone will be happy in the long run. You will have a shiny new team to root against and we will be spared the incescent whining that has become a cancer on our fan base. Just a suggestion that will spare you the apparent humiliation you feel for being an NYI fan. Just think about how much happier you will be!
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And the deals keep on coming in, are you sure everyone is done???
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Jimmy
You get a 5th for your Captain when he is 38, has a NTC and hasn’t had a multiple point game in 6 weeks!
You guys are making Guerin out to be a 30 goal scorer….Weight has 1 less point in 15 less games!
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the bomber: Agree. A lot of the commenters think Snow’s dealing in a Fantasy Hockey league. Builing this team will take time and patience. Snow is going about it the right way. Gordon’s doing a good job. Kids are competive and will get better. I’m happy with the direction the Isles are heading.
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I missed the Jokinen first rounder so it looks like Jokinen and Campoli have nearly equal value (no disrespect to Lombardi) that’s a comparable that Islander fans should be able to equate.
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coral springs isle fan says:
As we found out this year there were NO offers for Satan and Fedotenko. Before you rip the GM for the deals he didn’t make, maybe there was just nothing coming back for the guys that were available. He did add another 1st round pick and if we get lucky an additional 3rd round pick. Would you want to see Marty and Witt go for nothing in return?
Remember all the injuries killed Snow. If Weight was healthy you would have had an asset to trade.
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Look on the bright side at least the Dow is up 160 points!
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Snow got hosed on the BG deal. Plain as that. He had a deal, took him off the ice the other team balked and snow was left to hold the bag. Then the logan article. Just a disaster on all points.It can never be simple with Wang and Snow or whoever is running this show. It always has to be drama and nothing ever goes smoothly. Damn this org needs a big time culture change. When is going to end? I am so tired of it. If there is any bright side Witt is still here. If the islanders plan on keeping him that could be a sign they will take Tavares but why do I have a sick feeling we wont get tavares or hedman or EVEN duchene. Snow will find a way to create drama and screw that up too. unbelievable.
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Let me see: GM says I’d really like to get BG, but they pulled him off the ice. So I will pass. Sounds stupid. Market picks the value. None of thos other BS matters
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Let them move to Kansas City so long as this Boob remains the GM of this team. I am sick of this crap.
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Patrick says:
I’ve been a fan for almost thirty years. If getting a 5th rounded for our captain and best player surprises you, stay tuned for the next thirty. This is a blip on the radar.
If anyone seriously believes Garth Snow is smart enough to use the number one pick on a player, google “Islanders worst trades” and I’ll see you in seven or eight hours. Garth is going to trade the pick for a package of Ryan O’Marra, Robert Nilsson’s dog, and Edmonton’s 32nd round pick (psst…don’t tell Snow there is no 32nd round).
Maloney, Millbury, now Snow…how can it get worse? What other team has had a run of GMs so comically inept? The good news is, the night custodial engineer is really making a hard push for the job if Wang interferes with Garth “The Visionary” Snow. Snow’ll just go to any of the other 31 teams clamoring to hire a mediocre back-up goalie to run their teams.
Hey, at least they can call up Josh Bailey at some point, so we can see what he can do. There’s a glimmer of hope.
I really feel like we deserve better. I try to stay positive, but after all the awful deals and all the disappointing seasons, there comes a point where you have to disengage. And I don’t care about the stupid arena. PUT A DECENT TEAM ON THE ICE.
Oh, they already called Bailey up?
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If anyone finds today justifiable–I question your hockey knowledge.
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Mayeb Wang should sign Joey Mac to be the next GM
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Last year, when we did nothing on deadline day, I said “Let’s see what Garth does in the summer.”
Well, he did absolutely nothing for use up front. We lucked out and Mart Streit was stupid enought to sign here.
This year, I have NO faith in Garth whatsoever going into the summer. NONE. Same old team, same old song.
This is a summer where we should be getting pieces to ADD to our young guys. We’ll see what happens. But I can promise you that The Islanders will get ZERO dollars out of me until they prove that they care about the on-ice product.
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Where was this huge market???
Where were all the teams beating down the door for over the hill scorers?
Miro Satan….who has more points this year than Guerin was available for free???? and nobody claimed him!!!!
Considering that Snow got anything for Guerin, who whould have left in July for NOTHING, is a plus….
This is the same GM who we were singing his praises 3 weeks ago when he got us an additional 1st round pick in one od the deepest drafts in years….for a former 7th round pick and a scrub
Come on Jimmy….it’s not like the Luongo trade all over again….that was a disaster
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John says:
Snow should be fired. How can prevent Guerin from playing and only get a 5th rd pick. He blew it, he obviously had a better deal on the table 2 days ago. If it was him holding out Wang should fire him.He panicked plain and simple. If you were going to settle for so little then why not trade Martenek for a coupon book! What a joke.
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What a joke. I wouldn’t trade Sparky for a 5th round pick (okay I probably would but still). Come on Garth that is pathetic.
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Better call a WHHAAAmbulance….
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But don’t get me wrong; I would have liked to see him swing a deal for a second rounder or a prospect; but it’s not gloom and doom for the Isles. We have a top three pick in this years draft.
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drew says:
CB,
Which GM is better?
GM X, who traded a 41-year-old UFA-to-be plus a second round pick NEXT year for two talented young players both under the age of 23.
GM Y, who traded a 38-year-old UFA-to-be for a conditional pick that can very well end being a 5th round pick.
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The only one whining will be Wang when the town of Hempstead laughs him out of the building next meeting.
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My favorite is the suggestion that BG and a #2 gets you a finisher or a top 4 D. I mean, seriously? Snow did great with the Campoli move and got what he could today. BG is done after this year – frankly, he is done right now. He has a big contract. How is he worth anything more than a pick that is 60% to be a 4th/35% to be a 3rd/5% to be a 5th? End of story – nothing to see here.
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If after all this we dont draft tavares, I quit the islanders. Divorce I tell you.
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Dog. I agree that he did a good job with the campoli move. But look at the other trades that went down. We got hosed, its quite simple to see.
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What I want to know is whether we targeted any players? Did we try to land anyone. Did Snow try to package any picks with a player to try to land young talent? I doubt it…
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Pedro says:
I don’t fully blame Garth as the market for aged forwards was clearly soft, but pulling Guerin out of the lineup for two games was a poor move that likely negatively impacted our bargaining power. Unless a deal was 99.9% final on Saturday, we never should have taken Guerin out of the lineup and played our hand so early. Glad we kept Martinek as we lack depth on D and hope we re-sign Hilbert.
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i was a little disapointed with the return but the whining has gotten ridiculous. we weren’t getting anything spectacular for guerin. i really do think a lot of this team’s fanbase enjoys having something to complain about. how quickly we forgot snow getting a 1st rounder for a bottom pair d-man.
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What is going to be interesting is seeing the Rangers’ new guys whipe the floor with us on Thursday and to see the reaction of the crowd. I wonder how loud the FIRE SNOW chant will be…
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thats fair and i question your ability to objectively judge the absolute lack of talent that this team has right now, and the fact that nobody in their right mind wants these guys. Bill Guerin is awful. Great guy, but he just stole 9 million or so from us, because not one other team wanted him. If just one other team wanted him before LAST year, he wouldnt be here. Trust me on that. But nobody did. So he was forced to suck it up and come to hockey hell in order to make 9 million. We wont be in hockey hell forever, but we have the worst arena, in a crowded, traffic filled place, and we have the worst NHL team, along with the worst rated farm system around. This aint Snows fault. He’s trying all he can believe it or not, it takes time when you sink as low as we have.
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The Isles pulled the trigger w/Guerin TOO early. That deal NEEDED to be finalized. You pull him for 2 games make a spectical of the guy, his trade value fell through the floor….THEN comes Plan B.
Garth was taken to school on THIS transaction. He learned something today. He learns a little bit each day. In time he’ll be a General Manager in the National Hockey League. You’ll see. He will be, someday. Watch!
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Weird but I remember someone saying that both Guerin and the Islanders were happy with the trade. I can see Guerin being happy, but how can the Isles be happy with an at best 3rd round draft pick
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Also no takers for Hilbert? UFA to be. No market at all? He just walks?
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with so many bashing piss poor posts its no wonder CB has been quiet. Bottom line is we did not have much to trade. So we added another pick for an expiring contract for a guy who was leaving anyway. I wish it was more like most of you but am not going to turn around and bash Snow as the worst GM ever. Now if he doesn’t have a good draft or sign any decent UFA’s this summer well I may change my mind. As for THompson or Sim who cares. I would rather throw Thompson up against Avery Thursday than Sim, plus we don’t need to win any more games really after tomorrow.
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It’s a shame too because it’s Wang who is probably saying not to add to the payroll.
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Jimmy,
How about the fact that this team holds 5 of the first 60 selections in this years draft.
That’s after drafting 13 kids last year
So a top 3 pick, a late 1st rounder, 3 second rounders (2 of which will be in the top 10 possibly the top 5) and another top pick in the 3rd round.
This is what a rebuild is all about, build through the draft, we’ve all been calling for it and now we have it….then we kill Snow for not making deals.
I’m not saying Snow is the next coming of Torrey, but give the guy a chance….he’s done a great job of stockpiling picks and most the of the kids he drafted this year have made great strides this season.
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Campoli, Comrie, and Guerin for a 1st round pick, 3/4/5 round pick, and McAmmond. Hmm..
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hey CB can we get all these whinning snow bashers off this site
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Guerin13 #1177 Agree 100%. This fanbase has the most whiners and crybabies. We are in a rebuild here folks and the market for Guerin was terrible. time to move on, look forward to the draft and get a damn kleenex already….
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The Kings just made an awful trade. O’sullivan involved in a three way trade and they get back justin williams. What a joke. Cole back to Carolina and O’sullivan to Edmonton and Kotalik
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Anybody know what our Cap position is after Guerin leaves for nothing? I would think we are at minimum or even below.
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Islesfan in Vancouver says:
I don’t enjoy seeing the extremely negative comments directed at snow because of a perceived view that he didn’t do anything. My opinion, for what it’s worth:
doug weight – injured. No guarantee he will be healthy for the playoffs, and if he is, who’s going to give you anything worthwhile on a gamble like that? We’re not talking about getting a Malkin or Crosby off the IR, last year Doug Weight was viewed as done and put up a terrible amount of points. His season this year has been far more than expected, but would he be able to produce at the same pace after his injury and playing significantly less minutes on a playoff team? Come on people. Think about it. Is there any team going to the playoffs that would need Doug Weight to play on their first or second lines? I can’t think of one. Now add that if he does play a third line role, you’d figure his production would take a serious decline, not even factoring the injury. This is not a tradable asset.
To the people complaining we couldn’t trade Sim…he’s been exposed on waivers twice with no takers, if you can’t give him away then you can’t get a pick for him.
Addressing concerns over Guerin’s value.. with Pittsburgh putting Satan on waivers, Guerin is NOT a significant upgrade in comparison. Miro actually has one more goal than Guerin. If Pittsburgh was willing to waive Miro, who wasn’t worth anything to anyone else, then Guerin’s value was not anywhere near what people were speculating.
Witter..this is where we COULD have had a serious return, however I honestly think Snow viewed having him on the team as more important than what we could have replaced him with today. Going forward we do need someone on the roster that has NHL experience and Witt is a tremendous defensive defenseman. I’m not unhappy with this at all.
To sum up: in order for people to be happy, apparently Snow needed to move players with little to no market value and bring back high draft picks or prospects in return. The only type of deal I could have seen him make with Guerin was to make a move similar to Recchi’s. If I’m Snow, I don’t give up a draft pick, especially in a deep draft to get back a prospect that..might be okay. I’m not unhappy with what he’s done at all today. Sometimes less is more, and getting a first for Campoli was absolutely fantastic.
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We are building through the draft! Why does nobody understand that?
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All i really want is for Ryan Jankowski to be GM of this team. He could be the Theo Epstein/JP Richardi of the NHL.
And if you dont know who any of those guys are..well, nevermind.
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David says:
very pissed off…..a horrible pick? thats it? weight doesnt go, martinek stays…..wow. im very upset
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For those who think Snow blew it with BG’s trade. How?
Pulling him off the ice? ALOT of teams did that this weekend. Some of those players still haven’t been traded. That was business, ANY team would have done the same if a deal is almost completed. Get some business sense, can’t blame him for doing the smart thing. Look at Toronto, lost out on trading Kaberle, cause he got injured last night. Burke lost a potential 1st and good prospect on that blunder that Snow didn’t make.
Second…Guerin had limited value. For a playoff team, his leadership, and occasional point production are ok… you aren’t getting a 1st for him. I thought a 2nd would have been fair value, but if Snow could have gotten a 2nd he would have.
People need to look at things rationally. Can’t blame Snow because he can’t trade Guerin for a good player, prospect, and 1st round draft pick like you can in NHL 08. Some people need a jolt of realism to what they expect.
Can’t blame Snow for the other deal over the weekend not working out. It didn’t work out cause Washington couldn’t unload Nylander (the salary) to make it happen. How is that Snow’s fault???? Did he call 28 GM’s and tell them not to trade for Nylander????
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Something from the other night:
1. Bill Guerin: has to go at this point, no? Pittsburgh.
(What did we really think we would get for him….no the same player from earlier in the year….just root for the Pens to make it to the 2nd round. Pens shouldn’t even be fighting for a playoff spot with Crosby and Malkin in the Line-up.
2. Radek Martinek: Detroit or Montreal. (so we decide to keep a pretty reliable defensmen….albeit a fragile one…but hey, at least he isn’t wasting 6 mil a year like Redden, or costing us Prucha and Dawes…what a dumb move, eh?)
3. Andy Hilbert: Buffalo
He either walks or plays the system for Gordon….weren’t people on this blog saying they actually thought he was getting better with age?4. Doug Weight: With Guerin or finishes it out here and retires. Won’t be back because of the relationship between Guerin and Gordon.
(Who’s trading for a powerplay specialist that’s hurt for the next 3 weeks? Not me and not you. Wouldn’t be suprised if he calls it a career along with Guerin.)
5. Brendan Witt: Stays and is the new captain. (I’ll take it)
6. Dean McAmmond: Stays and is gone via FA in July. (Probably…although he did say he grew up an Islander fan)
Heads-up: Trades an up and coming like Comaeu or Gervais for another up and coming….(ala Walter for Nokkie)
(Glad this didn’t happen…good move Garth.)Prediction: Islanders make three trades, one of them blockbuster. (Failed there, oh well. Can we consider the Campoli/Comrie trade as one of them….at least we got another 1st rounder.)
Word of caution: Isles play well enough to make it to 3rd worst record overall and drop to fourth via the lottery.
(More worried about this scenario than anything else.)And just for the hell of it…BRING BACK FRITZ….just kidding CB…knew that would make you go nuts:)
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Anyone still think Snow could have gotten a 2nd or 3rd rounder at last years deadline? lol. Can we put that to rest now that he cleared waivers.
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D-Money says:
1146 Adam M. – 1) where’s the proof Snow didn’t try that and got snubbed, and 2) why, during a rebuild, would he want to trade a 2nd round draft pick in a really deep draft?
Who’s the proven “finisher” any team was gonna give up for Guerin and a 2nd pick? Or did you want another Tambellini back in exchange? And then you say a top 4 d-man could have been had for the same price? Again, are you talking about a guy like Campoli, who’s only top-4 probably because he played on the Island?
Sorry CB, but I gotta agree with many posters on here who say our fellow fans are too far gone!
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Smokey says:
The “worse than Milbury” clowns are the ones that crack me up the most. Get over it. This deal was a minor misstep. The Campoli/Comrie deal was borderline brilliant. The guy is sticking to a long-term plan.
Garth isn’t even the worst GM in a 10-mile radius. Glen Sather just unloaded three of his youngsters for Derek Morris and traded a high draft pick for Nikolai Antropov. They are locked into their team for years on end, they are RIGHT up against the cap, and their roster is TERRIBLE. Sather is taking a sledgehammer to the hull of his sinking ship.
The Islanders have several developing quality young players, a slew of pretty good prospects, and ELEVEN PICKS IN THE NEXT DRAFT, including possibly the #1 overall. If you’re not in this for the long haul, quit whining and stop following the team.
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One last post to make a request before I take a few days off after reading this insanity the last few days. Jimmy B can you please turn off the caps lock. We can hear you. Thank you, good night.
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I didnt expect much for guerin witch we didnt get much. How can you trade a 2nd round pick and another pick plus prucha, dawes and (UFA) Kalinin for two UFA’s after this season that you cant afford to sign. Idk maybe im wrong but are the rags a top stanley cup team?
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Snow must go! We want Jano!
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CJCB says:
Pretty lame trade deadline.
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snow must trade
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i mean stay
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How about instead of suggesting that people who are frustrated, complaining, or dissatisfied with the way this org runs the franchise, find another team to root for… the org actually gives people less reason to complain.
Maybe a in reality this is all that Guerin could return… but by the way this was all handled and presented (or not presented) to the fans and media… they fed all those who like to call the Islanders a “circus” more ammo, because that is exactly how this plays out in the public eye.
Garth showed his hand early by pulling Guerin from the ice days ago, when he supposedly had a deal. Obviously he did not, and so Guerin should have been in uniform, and there shouldn’t have been a 5 day long probe into what the Islanders were up too. Guerin was worth more than conditional pick last Saturday, that is for certain, or Snow would have never pulled him. Once that fell apart… we go from team with a tradable asset, to desparate team that needs to unload Guerin at all cost. That’s what ended up happening.
If there wasn’t all the attention focused around this trade before hand. The reaction wouldn’t be so violently negative, (It would also help if that Recci deal wasn’t made for comparison sake) but instead Snow plays right into the hands of all those “experts” that love to label this franchise a “circus” and in this case he really does nothing to prove otherwise.
Maybe if CB is still working for the Islanders… the last 5 days would have played out a little differently, at least to the public eye?
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Wow….
Kotalik to Edmonton for a 2nd….
Kolzig, Heward and Rogers to Tampa for Petiot -
updated with Snow’s comments…CB
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Oops Kolzig and crew to Toronto
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I’m definitely in it for the long haul, and a few beers later I’m over not getting more for Guerin, if they win the first round we get what I hoped for anyway so bully to that. I feel like a Martinek deal could’ve been done and possibly added another nice young asset. I do wish that Garth had enough guts to go talk to his coach and tell him to shut the hell up before the deal is done though. I really think that hurt that trade considerably…well…guess we just wait til June now. Was really hoping for a more exciting day. Really bad luck having Weight get hurt.
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What was LA thinking dealing O’Sullivan and a 2nd rounder for Justin Williams??
I like O’Sullivan’s game a lot more than I like Williams’
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CB,
You are a PR guy…. Please interpret what Snow said.
” I was not looking to trade Witt”
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can i get opinions on how far the Pens make it in the playoffs? im thinking we have a 33% shot we get the 3rd rounder…
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HyeDray says:
Too many Isles fans were on various boards suggesting we should move any and all free agents to be for anything we could. They were lamenting how poorly Snow did last year in not moving Fedotenko, Satan and others for picks when he had the chance.
I started the day off by posting that maybe making a trade for trade sake was not the best approach. Too often that has set this franchise back years—ahem—mike Milbury. I would have been happy if we stood pat and did nothing.
Fans—we cant have it both ways. We can’t be pissed at the GM for trading away a pending UFA and getting the return he got after complaining that he is not trading pending UFAs and not getting anything in return for them when they go elsewhere on July 1. It does not work like that. We can either go with what we have, or get the best offer we can for these players.
In the Guerin case, I think a deal had been “done” but was contingent on something else happening in order for it to go through. My guess is the Caps. I think the return was better, but it did not happen. I think Guerin is unhappay about this deal, and so is Snow. Snow did not get what he wanted, and Guerin ends up going to a team on edge of the playoff picture—maybe they make it, maybe they dont. Right now they are clinging to the 8 spot.
I like our team and our position heading into draft 09. I am happy Weight is still here, as well as Hilbert. I would have liked to see Martinek moved, but then again—on all of these players—the price not have been right.
Anyone who think Snow is stupid, or does not want to make the deal that helps his team is foolish. I still stand by him on the Campoli-Comrie deal, and his moves to sign Streit and Weight have been excellent. The only questionable move the man has made in earnest was the trading down twice at the draft last year, and frankly, it looks like Bailey is a solid prospect, plus we have other guys we picked up in that move that we dont know about.
I think we go into the evening heads held high. We added picks—possibly a third, maybe a fourth rounder. Lets kick the crap out of the Rangers tomorrow, and then focus on building. I want to see more of Joensuu, Smith, and McClain. Keep playing Bergenheim, Okposso, Gervais, Tambellini and Bailey. I am liking what I see from Callahan and Hillen as well.
As far as what other GMs did—
I think the Rangers hurt themselves long term. They gave up many good players for today’s deals—and young guys at that. As for what Snow did/didn’t do with Satan and Fedotenko—last time I checked any of 29 teams could have taken Satan for free for the next 20 games. Not a single taker. Say’s a lot. Think about that before jumping up and down on Snow’s head.
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i really cant wait for snows press conference so i can hear the bs that he feeds us this time…if i can understand anything that comes out of that mans mouth. its nothing but uhhhs and ummms….its like the guy has no pulse….which would explain why he did jack sh*t today. to hell with it, use your 2 1st rounders and trade down. i bet u can get all the 5th rounders you want…gotta be a datsyuk or zetterberg in there somewhere
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another day of NYI fans overrating the value of NYI players…
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Travelchic59 says:
Reality check here. I think we as Islander fans really OVERVALUE the talent we have on this team. Obviously, the other 29 teams in the league don’t agree with our assessment. It’s time we woke up and faced the truth. We are what our record says we are.
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I would have taken Kotalik…
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OK….The Maple Leafs just got a fourth round pick from Tampa for literally nothing. Maybe this will stop all of you that are telling us not to be unhappy.
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Job 1 for Snow? straighten out the Flash fiasco. I’ve been posting on here for WEEKS saying 1/2 the team thinks Flash is a dolt. Players talk. Guerin is respected guy. He won’t bad mouth the Isles, BUT if a perspective FA asks Bill honest opinion regarding the org & Flash, Bill is a gentelmen, in his own way he’ll be honest.
Komisarek would need a lobotomy to sign here.
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today for was a good day, witt and martinek are still islanders, as for sim, after his injury, its takes a while to recover, and maybe the ahl will help him.
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Pretty sure that late Toronto trade involved more than just a 4th rounder….check it out
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Fire Snow? Ridiculous to say the least. He has tons of picks in his pocket in this years draft. He is building the team the right way. He’s NOT crippled with contracts, has some young guys developing on the current team and he has a couple of guys at the Bridge who could be assets. In the short term things are going to be rough, but the future looks bright.
Snow could not trade any picks this year, he had few assets on the current squad that have value.Hilbert? Are you kidding me? There most likely going to re-sign him in July. You guys throw around trade speculation like it’s the easiest thing in the world to move players.
I don’t even want to see what happens the day the Isles pick Hedman over Tavares which will most likely happen if Snow is given the chance. Just look at what Streit does for this team now. Just look at what Gonchar has done for the Pens since coming back from injury. Never under estimate the value of a big time D-man. Withthat being said I would like to see Tavares but I won’t blast Snow if he chooses Hedman.
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so we had a deal in place but the other gm thought it would be funny if he sh*t all over the isles and guerin….i want to find this gm so i can do the same to him
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Helene says:
Grump, grump, grump. Snowie, how could you. Yet another draft pick? We have draf picks coming out of our assorted orifices. For this you gave up the captain. By the way, how about no captain. They all get traded away except for Kenny J. who wisely gave the captaincy back.
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i was hoping the top east teams would get more so the ragners would have a tough time.
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Alan says:
I am not as annoyed as it seems many people are about the deadline. Snow has showed in the past 3 years that he is not the biggest trader at the deadline. He didn’t make the many small deals and I DO believe that he really screwed up the Guerin situation. That being said, like a lot of people have commented – the Islanders have 5 picks in the top 60 and that is huge! Snow has done a great job at stockpiling, and I am sure Ryan Jankowski will figure out along with the staff who to draft. I think Snow’s job will be to assess his plans going into July 1 based on what he will have after the draft, and then make key free agent signings.
The Comrie + Campoli trade in my opinion was brilliant because Campoli cannot play defense and I think enough has been said about Comrie. I think we need to wait and see how Hillen, Callahan, Gervais and MacDonald play down the stretch. In my opinion, based on Gordon’s system, defensemen really don’t need to score goals to be effective. Rather, Gordon wants defensemen who can play defense first, while being able to either make the first outlet, or rush the puck in transition. I think that has made the difference in the number of goals that have been scored as of late.
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Cole to the Canes. good move by the Kings…
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If we did that 1187, should we convert our system for fascism as well? People have the right to complain about a BUSINESS that they spend hard-earned MONEY on and the BUSINESS treats the CUSTOMER like dung.
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One question fo everyone here: as true islanders fans, do we believe that this organization is going to handle this draft properly? Obviously as evidenced by the comments about our past mistakes, this team has had opportunities to do this kind of thing in the past. What makes the ’09 draft any different (besides Tavares/Hedman)?
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it’s good to see there are some other islander fans that are smart enough to realize that you don’t make a trade for the sake of keeping your fans happy you make a trade only if it’s in the best intrest of your team it’s apparent jimmy b and john tavares think otherwise
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1212 done and done!
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I think Snow will find a way to make us all mad . . . fair assessment huh?
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http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/2009/03/trade_analysis.html
The Bruins had to give up two youngsters for Mark Recchi. But Martins Karsums projects to be a third-line wing in the NHL in a good opportunity, and that wasn’t going to happen in Boston. Karsums is a restricted free agent after this season, and the Bruins might not have tendered a qualifying offer to the wing. Matt Lashoff has the first-round pedigree, but was never able to put his skills to use in Boston.
In Recchi, the Bruins get up-front help, especially on the power play to replace P.J. Axelsson. Surprisingly, the Bruins were also able to pry a second-round pick away from the rebuilding Bolts. Inconceivable that Tampa would trade away a pick that could be somewhere in the 30s in 2010.
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The Islanders also have a ton of cap room and I think that’s important because it is GOING DOWN. The team may be able to take on contracts and players that fit its plans, and not be restricted. Many teams put themselves in a tight spot, but not the Islanders.
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1200+ replys nice CB, if there was a deal or two more you would have hit 2k with ease imo…..( Prehaps next year???? )
How can anyone be mad at Snow????
He is going into to the draft ( a really good draft btw ) with a decent amount of picks….
We are way below the cap and if the lighthouse gets approved why woulnd’nt a high end free agent come here???
Plus if you watched the VS broadcast on Monday the NHL does not want the Isles to fail…..
But i do miss the old barn for a playoff game….. good times hopefully soon again…
LETS GO ISLANDERS!!!!!!!
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MiKeTFL says:
Not sure if this has been brought up, but…
MAKE BRENDAN WITT CAPTAIN ASAP.
Thank You.
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Let’s just remember how happy people were when the Islanders traded for Yashin. As fans, we don’t have all the information and we are all very fickle. The worst possible thing a team could do is base every decision on what the fans would think.
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good post ed j i’m on your side
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Well, of all I learned today, the most important thing to take out of this is not to blindly support a sports franchise. Especially with money.
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dally mac says:
Three things hurt us today.
1. No-trade contract of Guerin.
2. Nylander not waiving his no-trade clause (not sure but I’d bet my house on it).
3. Doug Wieght being hurt (he was our golden goose this year).
And for those saying Sim to the minors not Thompson; Nate would have been exposed to waivers and taken. Sim is hot right now, hope he can help Bridgeport make the playoffs and do well. He gets paid his million no matter what. You may as well give the young guy NHL experience.But I think some extra help for Snow whether a co-GM or some assistants beside head scout Jankowski would help. I saw Jay Feaster sit there all day, what a guy not being utilized in this league.
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Michael from T.O. says:
Everyone hear needs to relax. Unfortunately Snow didn’t make a splash, or get better value for Guerin, or get the 2nd round pick he supposedly could have for Weight about a month ago. But, this is a day that can make or break a team (i.e. NYR).
Today was not the day that was going to bring the Isles over the top. This upcoming draft and July 1, will be the most important time Isles in along time. What Snow does with these picks and who he targets and signs in the summer is what we should really be looking forward to.
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Mr.Black says:
I didn’t think much was going to happen today. Snow has his plan and he’s sticking to it. No reason to move Witt, we need him around.
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CB, I have to admit that I feel that if you were still the media relations coordinator things would have turned out different, the hype that happened after the Guerin scratch got fans too excited and you even tried ur best to lower expectations on your blog while seth sylvan did nothing.
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1234, I think that is exactly right. The Isles have regressed in their media and PR handling since Botta left. From a season ticket perspective, I’ve seen first hand how skilled he is in handling information distribution.
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Patrick Stephens says:
1234 @Richie. If CB was still the media coordinator then there wouldn’t be this blog and I don’t think a lot of the Guerin situation would have been blown out of proportion. I think Snow did the best that he could with what we had. Weight would have been gone too if he wasn’t hurt and this day would look a whole lot different. That’s why Guerin was held out. Oh well like what @Michael from T.O. 1232 said the Draft and July 1 will be the big days for the rebuild.
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Terry 99 says:
Yawn. A lotta nothing about nothing..Go Pens!
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hope that weight and hilbert are re-signed (i think they will be). if weight stayed healthy we probably would have gotten the 2nd and prospect that we wanted. i’m surprised that nyr went all in at the deadline with a team that i don’t think can advance far.
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Please stop rooting for this team if you are that uneducated about the focus. CB…get some kind of filter…it’s disgusting in here.
See you all at the draft….hte educated ones that is.
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What could Botta have done, they pulled him out after the pregame skate, come on, there’s always going to be a ton of hype. Unfortunate that it all went down 4 days before the deadline, didn’t help things as far as hype. The original deal simply fell through, it happens, how can PR spin that?
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the pens will make the playoffs so it’s a 4th for bill at minimum .the east is wide open so I wouldnt bet against the pens winning their first round matchup , even if its against the devils or bruins -so theres our 3rd for bill -which was about as good as it was ever going to get.
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(CB, post 1169, there is no WAY these are Islanders fans saying all this stuff.)
Rangers fans: Go order your new Antropov jerseys (the “Dawes” or “Prucha” peel right off!) and prepare to be Okpwnd tomorrow.
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streit02 says:
Well, alot of terrible trades if you ask me. I dont see how there wasnt a bigger market for Guerin. Dominick Moore is NOT worth a 2nd rd. pick. Still cant get over Upshall and a 2nd for Dan Carcillo? I was hoping the isles would eye a guy like Upshall. Glen Sather was, well being Glen Sather. Making trades just to make trades. The Comrie and Campoli deal looks like a steal now. Wasnt the only one though.
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Said it before, but if Fluery plays the way he did for the Penguins last year the chances of that 3rd arent too bad. Crosby’s star has dimmed a bit, but he can still take over a series.
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I also didn’t think much would happen today. Martinek, Hunter have inexpensive contracts, which are important for this Team. Park, Witt have better value on the Squad than what they could have gotten in return.
Snow has been ok as a GM. Great off-season signings (Streit, Weight) which were better than his previous season (Fedotenko). Good return for Campoli and Comrie.
That being said, Snow did not handle the Guerin situation well. A conditional 5th round is undervalue for a captain who will play on either the 1st or 2nd line for Pit. A Top 6 veteran pick-up is typically a 2nd round. Contrary to what some people think, no quality GM (Burke, Lou, etc.) hold out a player like Snow did with Guerin unless the deal is done (which it wasn’t). Snow will not make this mistake again, especially with a veteran captain. He’ll learn, and at least he is further along in his development than Gordon.
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I feel very let down and dissapointed. The Islanders need to understand after a very hard year we were all looking for a little hope, even if it was a prospect.
Logically, the Isles moved three players who were not part of the solution for a 1st, (hopefully) a 3rd, and Dean McAmmond. It is actually pretty good work.
The issue is he really didn’t do enough. There are still numerous guys who aren’t part of the solution. On the FA’s hopefully he deal them before the start of FA. Anyone else that doesn’t fit let’s hope he moves them before camp.
Hopefully he makes more wise FA signings and truly starts to understand the types of player required.
The issue is after today lots of us feel left down and we are still not sure the Isles get it.
Snow should call that freakin’ GM out on the mat and let everyone know who it is and how the guys jerked him around. I hope he makes it his mission to get back at the guy at every opportunity.
How will the Isles fill out their roster now the rest of the year? NYR and NJ we need to see some toughness added.
Most of the Rangers moves sucked but Morris was the best player in that trade by far and is a really good NHL d-man. He’s a good scaper on top of it. The three guys the Rangers traded were all considered to be placed on waivers at various points this year. Pho is gambling they can get more out of them.
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1221 — “One question fo everyone here: as true islanders fans, do we believe that this organization is going to handle this draft properly? Obviously as evidenced by the comments about our past mistakes, this team has had opportunities to do this kind of thing in the past. What makes the ‘09 draft any different (besides Tavares/Hedman)?–
Was last year’s draft a bust???? Jeez
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Todd says:
Okay so now that Snow made his press conference where are all the people who were saying that it was snow who messed up. we now know that he had a better deal in place, that Guerins agent and the team he was going to deal with wanted him out of the lineup if the deal was going to be completed. THEN nad only then did the other team back out and leave Snow dangling in the wind! People were bashing him calling him stupid for pulling Bill out and we find out he had to and got screwed. AND noone is mad at the other team for doing this? You are still mad at Snow and won’t come in here and back him up and admit you were wrong?! Great fans we have.
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How would the Isles look if Guerin got hurt and (Washington?) didn’t pull out of that deal? It was always going to be a tough situation.
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this was not his first experience as a seller… he should have been a seller last year.
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It was a very odd trade deadline
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Enough with the Snow had no choice regarding Guerin. Bottom line, he skates and plays Guerin until Was gets Nylander’s permission to waive his NTC. Snow did not do this. He thought the deal was done. It was not. It is on him. He’ll learn from this and will move on.
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Guerin played every game this season for the Isles. He didn’t miss a game. Getting hurt is a weak excuse. Guerin skates and plays until the trade is done, especially since it involved at least two players with NTC.
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James says:
Campoli for a 1st rounder as a B+? Okay fine. But today gets a big fat F. Snow failed in what has been essentially his stated goal since mid-December.
Bad day to be an Islanders fan.
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CB, a 2009 first rounder was included in the Oli trade!
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Tony says:
The team has a ton of picks in the next draft. Who cares–I’m sure the braintrust will somehow screw things up.
The Isles could f up a wet dream.
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mt275 says:
It’s a good idea to move Guerin knowing that he is not happy here anyway. I will miss his leadership, but the team seems to play faster without Comrie, and Guerin. Let’s say that Snow didn’t make a major mistake. Let’s just look forward into seeing more young guys playing hard the rest of the season.
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The leafs did the same thing with Dominic Moore last night and got a 2nd round pick — the problem was not taking Guerin out. (I think it even showed that the team could play better without him),
I think some of the Onus goes on the team in question that didn’t make the deal. One guy who absolutely has to be gone this summer is Andy Hilbert – he is a waste of a roster spot. Park is much more versatile and is signed for next year at a bargain.
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1249- and we kept Guerin out Monday night for what reason? Snow was pulled on a string for 4 days waiting to see if the other team really wanted Guerin? Sorry, Snow doesn’t look good here!
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EdTurner says:
You gave him a “B”?
Are you kidding me?
What did Snow do to improve this team today?
Nothing!
Garth failed big time.
Garth gets an “F”!
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Adam says:
Garbage. How are the young kids going to get room to play, especially on D when you have guys approaching their 30s still out there. Terrible.
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Was interested to see your take Strummer.
Btw, disagree about Morris. Morris is Redden Jr. Very overrated right now. 1 pp point all season! Leopold was better between the two. Arguably he has a decent right hand shot from the point and will get a fresh start in NYC, but Morris was having a down season and is another bit of a head case supposedly.
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I dont understand how this could be a bad day to be an Islander fan. Was anyone really expecting them to make a big splash. I wanted a 2nd rounder for Billy just like everyone else but we still got something for him. Its better than nothing because after this episode I doubt he’ll be back next year. We have a lot of young kids who we want here and a bunch of old sucky guys that no one wants. The Islanders look better today than they did yesterday
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EdTurner – what did you want the Islanders to do? No body wants our garbage and Snow wasnt going to move our young players. We are building through the draft.
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Steve says:
great job the last few days CB.
Too many posts to read through…
but would a team do this….Say the Islanders finish last and win the lotto for the 1st pick.
Is there any chance the team that has the 2nd pick would trade that for the Islanders late 1st round, 2nd round, and 3rd round picks…or hell, all their picks? -
Huh? How is this an F? They won both games Guerin didn’t play, it’s not like they pulled him and lost critical points toward a playoff spot or something. This is more like an incomplete – we won’t know until we know what round the pick is and what kind of player we get.
If it helps, think of it as Guerin for McAmmond, Comrie for a 5/4/3, and Campoli for a 1. Looks a lot better that way, right?
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1255 – You don’t make trades in a vacuum. This isn’t NHL 09 or any other video game. The league is made up of other teams with their own respective agendas. That being said, you don’t know the calls that were and were not made over the past two weeks up to the past 2 hours. To say that this is a “Bad day to be an Islanders fan” is quite honestly dramatic, drastic, and ridiculous.
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OK, now that I’ve had some time to cool off and think about the trade, I’m actually fine with it.
This pick will most likely turn into a third rounder. I can’t see how Pitt doesn’t win one round in the playoffs, they are way too talented.
Unfortunately we got screwed with the other deal that was supposed to go through. I’m sure it was a great deal for the Isles, but Nylander refused to waive his NTC, and there is nothing Garth can do about that.
I’m sure Garth could have received more for Guerin, but he didn’t want to give away any of our 2nd rounders, and I do not blame him.
Guerin had to be moved, and all the teams knew it… How do you know Boston didn’t come to Garth and give them the same deal with Lashoff, and they said to Garth, “If you give us your early 2nd rounder the deal is your’s. Would you do that trade?
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nightfly…. I like how you summed up the past week. Totally agree. The Isles are better without Guerin (even though I like him). Offense seems to flow better without him slowing down in the offensive zone.
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Personally, I think the Rags miss the playoffs now. Pit, Car definitely improved. Even Fla (by not trading JayBo) and Buf improved by not doing anything silly.
Rangers have a lot going on now. They already had chemistry/fit issues all season. Now they have a new (fiery) head coach, Avery returning, and trying to fit in Andropov and Morris. It is a lot of pieces that have to mesh in 20 games. I don’t think they can do it. Too many new people to fit in. If true, I’d rather be the Isles at 30th than the Rangers at 19th, this draft year.
IMO, Snow gets an overall draft grade C/C+.
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do you have anything good to sat Adam
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Let’s go Penguins. Win the East. (It’s not bad to also mention that the Pens might bump NYR out of the playoffs by the end of the season too)
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at the deadline: 30th place.
after the deadline: 30th place.
Plan on track…
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Chris, I wish I had you as a teacher in school. If you gave Snow a “B” you’re the easiest grader ever. Bad job by Snow.
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I can’t say I’m overly disappointed. It was nice having Weight and “C” around this year, and Gueren was a solid “C”. The team should get younger and BIGGER next year just through attrition.
Guerin… gone… younger
Hilbert… gone… bigger
Weight… gone… younger.
Bailey will be a year more mature. We should add a pretty important piece (if not two) on draft day. DP comes back, and Danis shares teh load with him.
Add to all of that the fact that the Isles will be $15M+ under the cap. If they can attract a LW like Eric Cole and one more solid “D” solidify a the corp long term (3-5 years) we might be in the conversation again.
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doug says:
Let me just throw out a name here some may know….Doues anyone remember a guy named Bill Torrey? He built a team called the Islanders around the DRAFT! This is what Snow is trying to do…give the guy a chance! Be a fan of the Islanders, It takes time….we r in good shape…LETS GO ISLANDERS!!!! We are closer then you all think!
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I’ve said before and I’ll say it again we have the most cry baby fans in the NHL. These are the probably same fans that go to the games and curse out a storm when a shot goes wide. They are probably the same ones screaming “shoot” whenever our D has the puck at the point.
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mike says:
Isles needed to get another first round pick. Then, take Tavares with the first pick and trade the other two for the second pick in the draft, so as to get Hedman too. I would have considered even giving up Okposo for a first round pick. Can you imagine having both Tavares and Hedman? It would be like Pitt with Malkin and Crosby.
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BTW: thanks CB for staying on top of this since saturday. Us Islander fans owe you a great deal. I can only speak for myself, but this has been a pretty fun year rooting for a team in last place… and most of that is because of you!
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I was hoping we’d get back a servicable prospect who could step into the lineup. Who’s going to fill out this roster next season? Are there any relatively young UFA’s who we can sign who will still be here when we turn it around, a la Streit? Please, no more scrap heap types who don’t even bring a good return come deadline day.
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Once again, CB, thank you for your tireless work. You truley are a gem in this organization. Every organization wishes they had a Chris Botta, I can promise you that.
As for the trade deadline, are we guys seeing what Sather just did to his team today? He just gutted two heart and soul players in Prucha and Dawes to add Moris? LMFAO!!!!!!!
Holy god.. that’s terrible. And he dealt a 2nd and a 4th for Antropov. He really is a Milbury-esque GM. If that’s not horrid, what is?
The Rags won’t even make the playoffs, not with Pittsburgh improving and Buffalo getting Vanek back. Take that to the bank!
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Mike – Give up Okposo? WOW
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Alan (1268) – Your condescending comments aside, as an Islanders fan, I was looking forward to Snow shedding UFA’s for picks and prospects, which, judging by the amount of hits on this website over the past few weeks, is what a lot of fans were looking forward to.
Instead, we got one deal today.
I’m entitled to my opinion and you’re entitled to yours. But I’m an Islanders fan and it wasn’t a good day. I stand by what I wrote. And that’s all I’ve got to say about that.
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MT says:
Thanks for everything Billy. Can’t blame Garth and Co. for the other team to fall through. At least we face the Pens one more time.. on the road
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Thanks CB – this site is invaluable. Garth needs to sign CB to a contract extension. Other than getting the overall No. 1 pick this site is the best thing to happen to the isles this year. C’mon Garth show CB some ca$h!
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If we are building a team around the draft, shouldnt we have gotten as many picks as possible today? Take a bunch more late round picks and use them to trade up or select more guys for the farm? If that was the plan, why didnt we do anything else today?
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Whats done is done. We are all upset, and feel cheated. Today was a tuff day no doubt. BG looked awful on the ice. A 5th possibly a 3rd… not bad. I’m not happy at all, but I can’t change anything. Don’t quite understand the Sim to Bridgeport move. Not a Sim fan but the guy is our hottest player besides Bergy. Gordon has got to go, he absolutely killed the Guerin trade. As for Weight, I say let him walk. Lets have a beer and put it all behind us. Maybe draft day will make all of us smile.
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Its not an A but it’s not the standard Milbury F. I’ll take it!
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Adam since people like to make things up in here I will join in. He didn’t get more because no one wanted any of our players. Was I there? NO. Do I have any reason to believe that this actually happened? NO. But if people can scream and yell that he could have done more without knowing the circumstances I can certainly say he couldn’t.
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I don’t know about you guys, but Snow has to re-sign Dougie Weight. Even if it takes a 2 year deal I’d do it.
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Rob how did Gordon kill the trade when it was the other GM who screwed up? Gordon only said what everyone already knew when they pulled Guerin from the lineup.
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You can’t trade vets for prospects/picks IF NO ONE WANTS your vets. Everyone yelled at Garth for not getting a 2nd or 3rd for Miro at the deadline last year. Now he’s playing in Wilkes Barre. This is not playstation. It takes two GM’s to make a trade.
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Rick says:
Thanks to CB for his tireless work – and POINT BLANK had the BG trade up before TSN’s Trade Center ‘Live Streaming’ thing did, at least on my computer at work.
All in all, Snow didn’t mortgage the future, we picked up another pick, and who knows, maybe Billy re-signs here in the offseason.
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1285 – I am sorry if my comments were a bit harsh; I didn’t mean for them to sound like that. Besides Weight and Guerin, the only other notable UFAs were:
Sillinger – hurt
Hilbert – not even worth a 5th rounder
Thomas PockI said in an earlier post that the Islanders could and probably should have gotten more for Guerin, but at this point – you take what you can get. Besides the Jokinen trade, no team gave up a first and only a few 2nds were traded.
I agree with you that it DEFINITELY WAS NOT A GREAT DAY. But, I think the results of the day are a function of other transactions that are made throughout the league. So, all in all, I don’t think it was a bad day to be an Isles fan. I respect your opinion, and let’s just root for the team
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Hey Adam ever heard of a salary cap?
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reality check: Guerin is NOT returning to LI to play NHL hockey.
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Mike (1279)- How would having Tavares and Hedman be anything like having Crosby and Malkin. Hedman is a defenseman, Tavares is a center, and both Crosby and Malkin are centers.
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Like some of you here, I don’t give Snow a better grade because we’ve won games with out Guerin in the lineup. We’re supposed to be losing game now! not winning them! It’s the winning that will most def keep us from anything that we want come draft day.
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DP says:
Was the Guerin/Prucha deal ever on the table?? You are right would have been a good deal. But Guerin for a third (which it will become –GO Pittsburg!) isn’t bad considering everything…so Sim is in Bridgeport, I know you said a few weeks ago he had become persona non grata on the team, will he play out his contract in the AHL?
on another front Rags making some desperate moves, will love to see the Isles win tomorrow.
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jon says:
Gotta say I am surprised by today’s lack of activity. I thought maybe, at least, they’d ship Martinek for something.
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I’m sitting here thinking, and besides Phoenix, we are the only ones to get an additional first rounder. So as predicted by Botta we’d get a couple of seconds this deadline, we got a first and a fourth. Toronto in the same situation as us got two (2′s) and 2 (4′s) and a broken down prospect in Andy Rogers. So we did alright.
Picks: 1,1,2,2,2,3,4,4,5,6,7= 11 picks. Not bad. An additional 2nd would have helped, but beyond that, looks good with 6 picks in top 65. I’m sad we didn’t get more but that’s a lot to work with and a diving salary cap that few teams are ready for after next year. A lighthouse, and we are back in the hunt.
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hey Izzy do you actually think SNOW goes into the dressing room and says “hey guys we need to start losing more games so we can get Tavares Or Hedman wake-up
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Pnut says:
if people think that we had anybody else to trade other than Weight they are wrong. Hilbert is not good enough for another team to take a chance on. Silly is hurt and getting up in years, and let me not get started on Thomas Pock, geez
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blitz… reality check, Long Island doesn’t want Guerin to return here.
Personally, I was against the signing (but with the slim pickins it wasn’t the worst thing in the word). While he hung in there and didn’t kick up much fuss, the guy hardly earned his 4.5M paycheck (much like Miro Satan and Ruslan Fedotenko).
Snow’s gotta keep trying to catch lightning in a bottle (e.g., Streit) if this team has any chance of getting credible quickly.
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Eh, I’m not devastated by today. But it is another “stay of execution” day for Garth. Just a strange cycle, as I’ve said before…two offseasons ago, no players of quality wanted to come here, which led to…last deadline, there was no interest in our assets because we had no quality, which led to…last offseason, no quality players wanted to come here, which led to…this deadline, there was no interest in our assets b/c we had no quality.
Does Garth need to do a better job as a salesman to break this cycle? Or is the franchise in that much trouble that the cycle would continue no matter who’s at the helm? Was it all just “the market”?
Ultimately, today’s not very important one way or other in the long run, imo. Maybe Garth felt the same way…more glamour than substance on Deadline Day. Draft day is the next test.
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Alan (1296) – Fair enough, let’s move on. There is always the draft to look forward to.
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CB you should get into politics! LOL!! Those were some carefully placed words. I guess you have to chose them carefully with this crowd. The Campoli trade I thought was good, we may watch him turn into something in Ottawa but what can you do if he didn’t want to play here? Really who could blame him? I wouldn’t want to play for Gordon either. Liked when you said the Islanders didn’t make any “unnecessary or bad trades”. Necessary, yes after Gordon destroyed and alieneted trade value with his comments but not with the bad comment I have to disagree with you. Completely unprofessional the way it was handled. And to you Snowbirds making fun of BG and saying how nobody would want him, most of you are the same guys that were saying how great a captain he was last week. Really out there being a fan doesn’t mean you have to sign up for this garbage.
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We still have draft day and when that day is upon us we will not even remember today….
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I love how everyone wants to give Snow an “F” acting like he has no clue what he’s doing. Listen…if your Pittsburgh, would you give up anything more than a 3rd round pick for Guerin. And knowing you can make it conditional because guerin likely wouldn’t have resigned…wouldn’t you do what Pitt did. Actually Guerin isn’t that good. Overrated in my book. Isles will be lucky to get a 3rd. rounder.
Everyone is just upset because after getting pulled on Saturday, we all thought that they would get a great deal.
Lastly, I guarantee you they weren’t getting close to value for Doug Weight. On the Isles love Witt, Hilbert, Martinek, Park, etc. enough where they weren’t going to trade them for the sake of trading them and get crap in return. Snow is going to try and re-sign some of these guys and if he cant…well he cant.
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TIM not at all. But at this point what is winning going to do? Do we have a handful of top end prospects waiting to crack the lineup next season? nope. Do we think we’re gonna sign one or 2 top end free agents? nope. So if we bounce ourselves out of the running of a Tavares,Hedman, Duchene or any other top pick then what do we have? nothing and prob even less than what we have now.
So explain to me where this team is at and how it’s going to be so much better next season? Wouldn’t surprise me if we were even worse next season.
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1310, We still have draft day to be scared sh!tless about! Is what you should be saying.
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Jerry says:
Considering Ales Kotalik and Dominick Moore (who each have worse stats then Guerin) both returned 2nd round picks, Snow clearly screwed up. And their ages don’t mean a thing as all three are UFA rentals. Snow should have held out to the deadline, but he panicked.
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Snow just suck under pressure. Hw got jumped by Edmonton and did nothing today… But with time on his hands he does wonderfull things, like trade with Ottawa and signing Streit. So, we know what we have for a GM and it could be much, much worse, like Mad Mike. Let’s move on…
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Kristie says:
Eh, I’m not too disappointed. Fact is Guerin hasn’t been a proven playoff performer lately.
That is what hurt him, oh well I wish him the best in Pittsburgh.
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I would be a bit more critical than PB in my grading of todays move. I’d give it a C-. I’m sure Snow weighed all his offers and took the best one, but in this case I think that Guerin was worth more to the team than to the market. Maybe if the mystery team from the weekend hadn’t pulled out things would be different; I think after that not only did we HAVE to move BG, but his value was diminished because there were so few teams he’d go to, and all of them knew we had to move him. So I don’t necissarily blame Snow for the move, but I don’t it was a very good return (not that I had big expectations. I was thinking a conditional 3rd that could turn into a 2nd or preferably packaging him to get a 2nd or prospect)
I would give an A- on the Campoli deal. I think we got great return in that one.
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washington,nj,mont,det,van,nash,minny,st louis,didn’t make any significant moves either i no most are playoff teams but my point is not everything revolves around trade-deadline we will be very noticed come draft day WATCH
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Great Job CB.
On a side note. I just received in the mail today, my copy of The Collector’s Edition of NYI 10 greatest Games. Watching game 6 1980 cub final against Phil. One note about the quality, I feel like I’m watching it on a rabbit ear T.V. Screen is jumping and static interference every so often.:-D I highly recommend it. -
CB great job today, youre being a little to nice evaluating that trade imo.
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With all the injuries this year I would not have thought twice about keeping Guerin out of the lineup. I personally would have taken it a step further and had him “Baker Acted” until 3PM passed by today.
I think Snow thought his strength was on “D” and in the net and I really think he was hoping to compete this year with the kids + vets. Now that he has seen some progress and has his assets in picks; to give up on Witt or Marty who are signed to reasonable contracts without a big return would only hinder progress next year. Next year at the deadline if we are sellers then it will be easier to move these guys because other their contracts will be up and they will be UFA’s. Get some additional picks and:
A) Re-sign them if you so choose.
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over 1300 comments i didn’t know the islanders had over 1000 gm’s running this team if that was the case we’d be at 56 million in payroll no draft picks for the future and 22 UFA’s heading into next year leave the GMing to SNOW most of you don’t have a clue including myself
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walter says:
i can not believe some of you guys, if you are a gm what would you give up for a 38 year old player with 16 goals who played first line minutes, and powerplay time until a month ago. Garth did the best he could.
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Jim says:
Actually I don’t feel bad today. There is a little stability showing here. Witt, Hunter and Weight are still here, any of the 3 would be good “C”s. Good solid vets to help the kids. I happen to like Hilbert and Park as role players. We didn’t give up any of the kids so they now know they are the future of the franchise and they can settle in and play. We’ve got a good amount of draft picks and hopefully we get Hedman or Tavares with one of the picks. Maybe they lure Komisarek back to his roots, that would be a plus. Have a chance for Gilroy? . . . another home grown kid. They are starting to play well at the seasons end which is what we were hoping for by giving the kids a chance to play. As a looooong time fans I’m beginning to think they have a plan and things are looking up finally! The Guerin thing was nothing major here to get upset about.
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Jerry – #1314,
Guerin didn’t want to go back to EDM so that option was out.
Dominic Moore does have better stats than Billy G this year. Plus, Buffalo may have plans to sign him to an extension. Therefore, was worth a 2nd round pick to them. Also, I don’t think Billy G fits in to Buffalo’s up tempo style of play (just like he doesn’t fit in to Gordon’s system either).
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The truth is we don’t have assets another team wants. guerin had only 16 goals and 3 in the last 26 games. Recchi is having a better year and is cheaper, that’s why snow couldn’t get more for him. I really do not get what everyone expected. Nothing significant was going to happen if Snow wasn’t will to deal KO, Bailey, or our 1st round pick. Park, Witt, and Martinek are worth more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Also we have plenty of picks this year, you can not sign every pick so too many picks is overkill. We still have draft day to try and move up into the top 15 with the SJ pick. Everyone relax.
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Exactly Walter(1323). You have to put yourself on the other side. Would you really trade a 2nd rounder for Bill Guerin if you were a bubble team?
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I would have kept Billy for that price. And given back his minutes. He is a good leader of men.
Lucky Penguins.
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No Comment … we got something for a player that will not be here next year no matter what … We didn’t get what I felt was comprable value based on what other teams got for comprable players … but we got something … Since I don’t know what “killed” the original deal … I’m not gonna hang Snow for that deal going down in flames.
Now back to hockey … got my own practice in an hour … later skaters.
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Bill A. says:
I am still very concerned that Garth Snow will miss the draft totally. WE have nothing to go on and no reason to have any confidence that he will do the right thing with the #1 or #2 pick. This whole thing smells of a Wang conspiracy to throw the team and the fans to the wolves in the eventual sale of the Islanders.
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How old is Kotalik? I know I just started hearing about him last season. He has to be better then someone we would have drafted with say, Bostons second right? Imagine a power play with Streit on one side and Kotalik on the other
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Rishel31 says:
It looks like Garth was left without a partner when it comes to the “Guerin Saga”, and obviously did the best he could for both BG and the organization. I think our GM has added some much needed dignity to the team by not whining about the trade falling through and publicly blaming someone else. His most important days are ahead of him beginning with trying to sign some NCAA free agents once their season ends and then the draft. Now is the time to get the kids as much ice time as possible to see exactly what we have going into next year. I believe that Garth will do a good job and some success is not as far away as some people commenting on here believe it is.
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Thank God this nonsense is over. Everything is going the way it is going. No one knows what happened in the Guerin deal except the parties involved. We’re still on pace for a top 2 pick, the team has played great the last couple of games without Guerin already, and we didn’t do anything stupid like trade KO or Streit. Hopefully tomorrow I won’t have to read thru 1300 comments of crap.
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#1330.. are you suggesting that Wang wants the team to bottom out and THEN sell the team. That makes absolutely no sense. Buy low, sell high not the other way around. And if we have “absolutely nothing to go on” (which we don’t, Snow has been the GM of this team for 2.5 years) then how can you be so sure that he is going to fail?
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As I said all along, we should’ve traded one of our 2nd rounders for a decent player. There were some good young guys traded today for 2nd rounders. We still woulda had 2 seconds and 2 firsts
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isles says:
Botta…………You gave a B grade. Are you kidding me. I thought tis was an independent site?
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I agree with the B grade…
Let’s remember….Through the entire trade process this year only 2 1st round picks were secured in a trade.
And Snow got one of them. And that’s competing with 29 other teams with FAR MORE ASSETS AND BARGAINING CHIPS.
I call summarize this year as an
“addition by subtraction” year.
We got a 1st round pick for
A/a guy who didn’t wanna be here
B/Hillary Duff’s Boyfriend (Duff IS a tough loss)
C/an aging Captain with diminished skills that no one wanted 2 years ago,
D/and a guy who has only figured out how to play this game again in the last 10 days and possibly needs to be on a steady diet of ginkgo biloba.MORE KIDS!!
Decent Job Garth Snow…not bad…not great.
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Post 1248. The jury is still out on last years draft. Schenn looks like he shouldn’t have been passed up on. I don’t know about Filatov. Bailey shows promise but to call him a blue chip is a stretch.
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TimQ says:
Very generous grading … If Botta was my teacher at Hicksville High I would have gotten a 4.0, gone to Harvard, and be making millions today
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Decent job Garth!?!? Wow, it is incredible how easy most Isle’s fans are. So use to garbage that you think this was a decent job? Unreal, sad, really sad how we are all pre-disposed to accepting crap.
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tond24 says:
who ever thinks Billy, Com and Campoli for a ver low 1st and 5th is a good day is nuts..sorry but what happened to all the wisdom billy was going to drop on our kids..isnt that what evrone one was yappen about last 2 years..garth is no good at this… maybe in 3 years the last pick of the first round will turn into starting D man in the nhl with some upside, oh wait thats what we traded for him and we threw in our 2nd line scorer for good measure. please fire gath and get someone whos built, a playoff team already anyone could keep getting picks but i dont remember the devils or the redwings ever picking #1 overall.
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All the Pitts fans are laughing there a$$es off on the other sites! Good job, well done, all we can ask for. Lemmings!
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What did anyone expect to get for Guerin. He make 4.5 mil, had a NMC, and didn’t get along with the coach, he’s 38, and he is an unrestricted FA. The fact that we got anything is amazing. Plus what has he done. Whatever the deal was on Saturday feel through and there went our chance. As an organization their not even one year into the rebuild. Understand it’s going to take time. If you try and fix it overnight you get 15 more years of middle of the road finishes. Trust they know what they are doing. Snow has a plan lets see where it goes. If Milbury was still here he would have traded KO and and Bailey for Nik Antropov. Sometimes no trade is the best move.
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can’t believe how many clueless islander fans thought we should get more for a 38 year old UFA the prospects tampa got in the recchi deal are just that, prospects they will never reach the NHL do your research
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Tim:
I agree. When I see all this crying from some of these Islander fans I wonder:
1. how old are they? Are we talking to 6th graders?
2. Do they relized this is not Fantasy Hockey, but the real thing, where building a great team takes time?
3. Do they think they can get a #1 pick for Guerin, simply by not sitting him out, or saying “pretty please” to another GM?
It’s amatuer hour at the opera here.
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Re (1336): What everyone needs to remember is that rebuilding teams do not make big splashes at the trade deadline- cup contenders (Bruins) and bubble teams (Rags) do. The Isles are neither.
Thank god Garth doesnt listen to all the armchari GMs all around who urged him to trade every player who can shave for “a bag of pucks”. Making trades for the sake of making trades wont do anything for this team. I am also thankful that Witter and Martinek are still here, and I hope that Weight gets another year… though I wouldnt bet on that one.
Do I think we should have gotten more for BillyG? Frankly, yes… but once you get out of the 1st and 2nd rounds, there is surprisingly little correlation to how well players tend to do. So, I dont really think its going to make a difference- it all boils down to good scouting and trusting our drafting.
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Snow got what he could for Guerin. Guerin only wanted to go to a local team. His salary prohibits alot of teams from fitting him under the cap, he wasn’t getting along w/ the Coach, he played uninspired the last month. He had his buddy Weight passing to him. I would much rather throw 4 mil/year at another Winger….Anyway, next year we have Hunter, Okposo, Bailey, Nielson, Bergenheim, Joensuu, T.Smith, Park, Comeau, (hopefully Weight), (hopefully Tavares), either M.Gilroy or UFA.. I’m not counting 9 other Forwards–Hilbert, Sillinger, Jackman, N.Thompson, D.McAmmond, Colliton, Tambellini, Fritz or R.Figren. I don’t see anywhere where a 4 million dollar Bill Guerin fits in next year..
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WOW. How about this insult of a quote be Shero???
“I think it’s worth a chance with a Billy Guerin, that playing with good players he will be able to score goals. I’m hoping he can re-energize his career here in Pittsburgh,” Shero said. “I think it’s a good move for both of us.”
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PatrickF says:
Wow this thing is big so I’ll probably get lost in the mix. But can someone explain the motivation for putting Sim on waivers? Was it simply to advertise him like a lot of analysts said? It definately wasn’t to make Cap room. I just don’t understand why you would get rid of a player who is on a point run as of recently.
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deweyfromnfld says:
I am glad to finally see some realistic fans here. Garth was in a tough position after the unknown team backed out on BG. I think he got what he could today for him. BG was good as a captain, but it was obvious he did not fit the system. Better to have some young kid out there who has the hustle. It has been alot more fun watching them play the last few weeks, even with the losses they are very entertaining. Lets look forward to some great scouting and a solid draft. Go ISLES!!!!!!
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Great job as always Chris, don’t know how you put up with the zoo, lol. Keep up the good work.
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I’m extremely glad Witt and Martinek weren’t traded for a couple of 2nd rd draft picks….Next year we could have a DEFENSE that Consists of:
1st line Streit & Hedman(only about 5 NHL Teams can say they’re better)
Witt & Martinek (Compliment each other-Very Solid 2nd Line)
6’6 245 Sutton & Gervais(who’s been great the last 2 months)
(Back up -Hillen, I think will be as good as Campoli) and F.Meyer–not bad back ups…..If we sign Komisarek, we will have a Great Defense! Not to mention we have plenty of Money/Cap Space to sign someone else if we don’t get Komisarek-a Bryan McCabe type; who knows..
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Garth Milbury says:
I have no clue, ahahahaha
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CB:
I was kind of expecting a slow day so wasnt angry at the results. The real work begins at the draft. After the 1st round pick, it is crutial that the Isles draft the RIGHT players. The 2006, 2007, and 2008 drafts yeilded a ton of picks and my opinion is Snow should continue to do the same. At this point in their development, it’s more quantity ove quality (meaning rather have two second round picks than a late 1st rounder)
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@Drew 1166
GM X traded said player and a high pick (2nd rounder)
that 2nd is valuable in this years draftSnow knows this remember he has 3 2nd rounders and 2 1st rounders, remember
Guerin has been a floater and useless but a 5th or 4th or maybe a 3rd is not good enough??? unreal
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DC23, I don’t agree. It should always be quality over quantity. However from your perspective, you should be angry at Snow. He did not get the quantity of draft picks that people expected, for Guerin or the other vets that were not traded.
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EARTH TO ISLANDER FANS….this is all about money, this saves the Islanders about $1 million bucks, as long as you have an owner who is losing money, you will be a last place team, this isn’t a rebuild, it’s a way for an owner to not have to spend money, we will continue to spend down to the cap, and continue to be at the bottom of the standings, they can sell it as a “rebuild”, and they’ll say they can’t attract free agents, but it’s all about money, take a look at the standings and the team payrolls for the playoff teams, there’s a direct relationship….I’m a season ticket holder, have been since 1985
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MickeyBoy7 says:
It just seems so obvious to me that there are two things going on here. Number one is our owners salary dump (as usual-and I don’t really blame him) and number two is that we don’t want to blow that first draft pick by getting any of those pesky 2 points you pick up for wins in this league.
Look, I’m know big fan of Sims, but, the guy finally starts to put something together and what do we do? You mean we have no room for him on the roster? We just got rid of our captain for some future Junior leaguer and we don’t have room for a guy who is putting up points? Very suspicious to me. Yet somehow deep inside I kind of wish we were actually smart enough to think far enough ahead to do these things for a better future. Somehow I doubt it.
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DannyIsle says:
Isle fans here is a wake up. Our entire team other the KO and Strait sucks. If thats all we could get for BG imagine what we would get for Radek. or Witt or god forbid Hilbert. Who put this team togther?? I have never seen so many players who absolutly suck. The islanders are a minor league team at best. Garth should be fired not for the BG trade but for putting together a team of untradable losers. Oh yeah good call giving DP a 15 f’ing year deal. Garth please quit.
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Mickey, I half agree, definitely on the salary dump, but regarding Sim, who cares, he’s obviously not part of the future some let some kid play, we’ll probably lose either way….oh one more thing MY GRAND PREDICTION…there is no way Tavares is an Islander, some how some way this will happen, just watch
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If the removal of Guerin helps us lose games then we win the trade.
If anyone watched the interview with Snow post-game would realize that the smug S.O.B. is not worthy of the position.
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best news of the day is that robin figren left sweden for bridgeport (conn post reported it). he will develop a lot better in the ahl than in the sel.
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Jimmy Mac says:
It is almost embarrassing reading some of these posts.
I hate cutting up other fans, but some of you have no clue.
Sure it would have been great to get more for Billy. But if you look at the day as a whole, not many people overpaid for players today.
Things didn’t get crazy this year like years passed.
Billy is 38 years old free agent. He is not a superstar.
The only teams that overpaid today was probably the Rangers for Morris, and Philly losing Lupul.
Garth is doing just fine.
I just wish people would think before they make comments.
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I missed the whole damn thing.
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half these fans on here have just disappointed me on here. half of them dont know their @ ss from their elbow.
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No one needed any isles players that badly added to their roster… we are a bad team for a reason… if we had great players to offer we woudlnt be at the bottom of the league… unless we offered a redic package we woulda got nothing… all out players woulda got 14th round picks (being sarcastic)
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To me Guerin is more valuble to this young team and happy to be here than a 5th round pick. He is under contract for next year and happy to be here. This could have been next years trade. Garth didn’t have to move him trade for the sake of a trade.
Why is Sim always on waivers?
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Wang gave DiPietro the 15 year contract, not Snow.
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pete guerin is an ufa.
also all he was doing was taking valuable ice time away from players we need to develop-if guerin isnt pulled out of the last 2 games, we do not get a glimpse of jonesu, who would you rather seeing playing now?
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There seems to be a lot of people defending this Guerin trade and slamming people for questioning the deal. Let me tell you all why this was a bad deal:
For starters, Bill Guerin is not Alex Ovechkin, but he’s also not Jon Sim. This is a guy who was the captain of the team, a great example to younger guys of how to conduct yourself as a professional player and how to play the game the right way. Oh, and by the way, he happened to be the second leading scorer and the top scoring forward on the team at the time of the trade.
Everything Bill Guerin brought to the table for this team, on the ice and off, is worth far more than a fifth round pick (I know it can escalate to a third, but a lot has to happen for that to happen and nobody can be sure it will. So the trade was for a fifth, not a third).
Snow blew it with this move. I don’t understand where its written in stone that because he’s 38 he had to be traded? Snow should have done a cost-benefit analysis on dealing Guerin as opposed to keeping him and re-signing him for at least another year. I submit that a re-signed Guerin is worth far more to this team, this year as well as next, than a fifth round pick.
Here’s a news flash for everyone who thinks this was a good deal: whether you like it or not, the Islanders MUST have veterans on this team next season. There is an NHL salary cap floor to be concerned with, as well as the fact that the Islanders prospect pool just isn’t that deep, certainly not deep enough to ice an entire NHL squad. By peddling Guerin off for the equivalent of a bag of pucks, you’ve peddled off your team captain for nothing. Good luck getting any quality veterans in here over the summer.
Bottom line: bad trade. Should have held onto Guerin if the compensation wasn’t at LEAST at guaranteed second. If Kyle McLaren can bring back a sixth, how does Guerin only bring back a fifth? If Snow had handled this better, he wouldn’t have been forced to move Guerin.
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Jethro (1370) – Guerin walked at the end of the season anyways, so getting potentially a 3rd round “bag of pucks” is not a bad thing. As for the salary floor, i believe the Isles still have a significant hit for our “friend” Yashin
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Loving lethbridge (1371): Guerin wasn’t necessarily walking at the end of the year. Was he offered a contract extension? Did he turn it down? All I kept hearing was that he likes Long Island, his family does as well and he never wanted to be traded in the first place, only relenting to be moved after Garth continued to pester him about it. So, I don’t think anyone can definitively say that Guerin was about to leave on July 1 for certain.
This “potential” third round pick right now is a fifth rounder. There are no guarantees that Pitt even makes the playoffs, much less wins a round and dresses Guerin for 50% of the games (of course, now I’m rooting for all of that to occur).
I just think that the Isles are going to need some vets up front next year and keeping your Captain was a good place to start. Especially when the return was a border-line useless fifth round pick.
Should be an interesting day. Thanks for all the hard work Chris!