THE BILLY BYE-BYE BLOG, DAY 2
10:00 pm: PB on News 12…and a hunch
10:00 pm - Looks like I’ll be doing a brief phone interview on News 12 Long Island at around 10:20 pm tonight about Billygate. Since we’ve been at this together for more than 26 hours, I want to make sure I type here whatever I might say on the tellyvision.
In the last two hours, I’ve had a series of conversations with people in and around The Premature Transaction. For what it’s worth, everyone to a man has displayed a casual “What, me worry”? approach to my investigation. Just passing it along.
There continues to be a feeling of confidence. Belief that a Guerin deal will be done as early as tomorrow. (I know what you’re thinking: Are you frickin’ kidding me with that “as early as” crap?). Belief that the Islanders will get True Value for their departing-any-day-now captain. Belief that Billy is excited about his next opportunity and that in the end everyone is going to hug it out.
I’ve also decided that it’s ludicrous for me to not take a stand, put my money down and tell you my hunch. Who am I kidding? This is a friggin’ blog. I don’t have to have any standards. You’ve all been so amazing these last two days, least I can do is put it on the line. If I’m wrong, really, B. F. D.
As of 10:00 tonight, I believe the team the Islanders have an arrangement with is Washington. A simple, two-team, pick-and-prospect trade. Simple, except for closing the darn thing.
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7:38 pm – The Islanders just sent out a series of texts to the media saying:
1. There will be no news tonight
2. There is no timeline for any announcements
Which, when you cut right through it, means only one thing:
There is no trade.
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7:05 pm - Some reliable media types with solid connections to Bill Guerin and others say Philadelphia.
I say…Washington.
And to address something I keep seeing in Comments: do you really think my life has come to actually knowing the deal, but writing this crap for the last 24 hours? LOL.
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6:00 pm – A little more than 23 hours ago, Islanders captain Bill Guerin left the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum ice after the warmup before his team’s game against the Buffalo Sabres. He took off his Islanders uniform – presumably for the last time – and put on his suit.
The Islanders reported that Guerin was healthy, and not much else. A little more than 23 hours, more than 1,000,000 Point Blank hits and more than 1,000 Comments later, no news.
Besides some outragous rumors and rib-tickling trade proposals, some passionate Islanders fans wrote in this space that the Islanders do not owe them any explanation – not any communication at all. One said it’s strictly between Bill and the Islanders. One theory was that Garth Snow was merely playing everybody and driving up the price. Perhaps the Islanders were happy to read that.
All we know, 23 hours later, is you don’t have a major or minor trade, you don’t have a draft pick, you don’t have a prospect. You, and I, have got nothing.
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3:30 pm – Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and New Jersey all playing this afternoon. General vibe of confidence continues that trade will still be announced today or tonight. Hmmm…
Washington really looking like they could use a veteran guiding force.
Darren Dreger reports that now Bill Guerin knows where his trade is to, but isn’t saying publicly because potential new team has not confirmed deal as done.
One more time: just because the deal may take 24 hours, doesn’t mean it’s a difference-maker for the Islanders. Highly doubtful. You have been warned.
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3:22 pm – Greg Logan’s story from practice today. Thanks for the plug on the Devils telecast, Steve Cangialosi.
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1:45 pm – My friend Tarik El-Bashir, who used to cover the Islanders when they used to be covered by the New York Times, reports that the Capitals are not the trade partner. Tarik covers the Caps for the Washington Post. Woodward and Bernstein used to work there. Tarik cannot be wrong. Can he?
Islanders practice has ended. Garth Snow was not there. Scott Gordon could not speak on the subject of a Guerin trade. As predicted earlier this morning, despite the lack of any news, it was one of the best-attended practices of a last place team in the final weeks of a season in the history of professional sports.
Since last night and into today, I was told by Islanders personnel to get to Iceworks. I’m glad I didn’t. The reporters were rewarded with nothing. Maybe the team sold some stuff. Wow-wee.
Here’s the problem. I’m sure the holdup is for good reasons. Don’t question that for a second. But if this situation – can’t call it a “drama” anymore - gets to the 24-hour mark at 7:00 pm without any communication from the Islanders franchise to its fan base, this over-riding sentiment…
Hey, this is kinda neat! Everyone’s watching the Islanders! Bill Guerin is the biggest name in hockey for one day! The Islanders have done a great job keeping this professional and under wraps! I’m sure it’s a great deal and they just want to do the right thing for Billy and the franchise! Man, this is killing me! I can’t wait to find out what the deal is! I love this game! I love this team!
Turns to this…
This blows. I’m done. We’re trading a 38-year old with 16 goals for maybe a pick and a prospect. Used to care, now don’t care anymore. Let me know when it’s done.
And if, heaven forbid, Sunday turns to Monday, it could turn to this…
Uh oh. Here we go again.
The Islanders do not have to name teams, do not have to name names. But if this gets to 24 hours, some words from the franchise to its die-hards would be appropriate. All it has to be is: “We have a deal for Billy in place. It’s good for us and it’s a good spot for Billy. We can’t get into specifics, but some work has to get done for the trade to be finalized. In the mean time, he’ll stay off the ice. As soon as it is completed and approved by the league, we’ll talk about it extensively.”
(BTW, one of the most respected veterans in the game is in limbo, unable to talk about it to even some of his closest friends).
I would hope, at the very least, some level of communication from Islanders management is coming soon.
Add to the previous 762 Comments here.
764 Responses to THE BILLY BYE-BYE BLOG, DAY 2
10:00 pm: PB on News 12…and a hunch
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Will says:
aw we should have gone for 1K lol man this suspense is killing me!
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Sorry to all the negative Nancies – this builds to the allure and mystique surrounding trades. It’s getting us all talking and that is good for hockey.
To everyone saying the Islanders should have never pulled Billy out of the lineup – what if he got hurt and now you cannot move him. That’s why decisions like the one last night are made to begin with.
This will end, eventually.
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AM says:
CB, you gotta love this time of year.
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Adam in Upstate says:
CB needs to get a sweet sponsorship deal just from this. lol
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Darren says:
I think I’m at the second stage “this blows”!
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You are right CB. My finger hurts alredy from all this REFRESH button pressing excersises. I am a fan and I love this team but some respect to the fans shoukd come from the other end as well. It’s a same craziness as it was with injuries in the beginning of the season. Very immature IMHO.
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Jon says:
the Mavin just reported during the Devils game Guerin has told the Mavin he is going East.. which means Rangers.
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Here’s to another 750 comments! Hope for 1000 once the deal is official. Man this is fun, no matter what anyone says!
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Greg says:
given the poor weather forcast, I am enjoying searching to see who will break the news. Watching the Devils and Stan just announced the no news from the Isles.
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Kevin Fitz says:
Jon – how would going east be the rangers? wouldn’t that be west?? East would be the Bruins
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Jake from Albany says:
East is not the Rangers. West wouyld be the Rangers from Uniondale
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Giaco says:
As CB has said, I think we should brace ourselves for a let down. It doesn’t sound like a collosel trade. Hopefully its creative at least… 3 teams involved?? something to make it worth the past 24 hours.
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Marcus says:
I think this news was leaked to start a bidding war for Bill. Thats the hold up: don’t be surprised. If so, sorry CB Snow is being shrewd and by keeping is mouth shut helps the teams cause going forward.
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I am sure this deal will involve a prospect and a pick, Something tells me it is with NJ or possibly the Rangers. Hopefully the prospect we get can score and move up to the NHL level soon. As far as Gordon goes, I understand he is focusing on the young players and correcting their mistakes. The coaching never stops, even for Vets. Hunter, who incidentially has not scored in quite sometime can probably use some coaching, just focusing on the young players is really irresponsible. All players need feedback whether old or young. Gordon definitely ailienated the team by ignoring his older players. Players are problaby under the imnpression that Gordon has his favorites. This really does need to be corrected, we cannot just move all young players up and hope to compete in the next two years. We will require some seasoned vets on the team.
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bill scanlon says:
It depends where he was when he spoke to Stan.
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THall90 says:
Jon, #8…it can’t be the STrangers, because, technically, Guerin would have to be going west (Long Island is east of NYC) so I think he’s headed to Europe…
OK, a bad joke, but what do you expect at this point?!?
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Milo says:
East would mean hes headed to Portugal
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Coach B says:
That may eliminate Washington as said by Darren Drager (TSN) before that Washington and Montreal were the two teams.
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MiKe says:
I think Stan was talking East, West in terms of CONFERENCE. Anyway, I’m thinking its the Rangers and we’ll get Valiquette and a pick. Or Boston with Witt for Kessel. Or the Canadiens with Witt for Higgins. Maybe. Perhaps. Whats the 1st basemans name?!
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drew says:
Thanks for standing up for us, CB. It goes a long way!
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Rich says:
am i the only one that thinks the Maven is overanalyzing the goin east comment. I think it just meant he was going to a team in the eastern conference…Also The Garden is WEST of Long Island
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FanSince73 says:
Am at stage 3 – here we go again…
it’s amateur night (& day) — Gordon better learn how to work with vets…we’re not going anywhere with this minor league coach
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first place isles says:
Higgins would be sweet
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4195mary says:
If it’s Boston, is Patrice Bergeron too big of a risk? He’s young, he’s talented, and apparently available. He might also be near early because of concussion problems. Is this scenerio riskier than a second round pick?
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Well, however it turns out, we’ll always remember that day in 2009 when the whole league was watching the Islanders.
Lost in all of this: a member of The Future leading the club to a nice 2-0 win over a team that really needed those two points.
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Guerin and Witt to Boston for Kessle????? Are you Serious???? Idiot
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al says:
with avery going on recall today the rangers are trying to make some room. Also as reported on MSG last night Blair Betts and Vally will be UAF.From all reports all the reported teams have all been shot down .All but the rangers .you never know before last night I was thinking Lappy would get traded to the rangers.now, you never say never
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Bruce says:
Maybe, part of the deal includes Doug Weight and they need to get medical clearances before the deal is finalized ?or maybe there is a player coming back to the Isles that we are trying to resign before they are lost at the end of the year a la Ryan Smyth ?? just 2 thoughts
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Michael from T.O. says:
Whatever happens, this is one day to remember as an Isles fan. Hopefully it also means an important piece to the future.
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Another bit of news which Chris might look into, did the Islanders recently sign an undrafted OHL defenseman Peter Stevens, who plays for Barrie?
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isles99 says:
the mystery team has to be pittsburgh. they need scoring more than anyone else.
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Love Nigel Dawes. Great young player would fit in real nice as a future second liner
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Chris S says:
Nothing is ever easy with this team. It almost seems like they go out of their way to infuriate their fanbase. Like CB said, just make an annoucement that something is in the works. We all know that this is not Guerin for Ovechkin but some information would be nice.
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MT says:
Very, very interesting.
As an ode to Billy I think I will always remember his reactions when Bailey and when Jeff finally scored and most recently when MacAmmond scored. He really cared about his teammates which I hope he can bring to whatever team gets him. Best wishes.
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isles99, I also believe Pittsburgh is team that it could be. He would look good on a line with Crosby. He would be the Roberts of a few years ago.
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jonsson3 says:
Guerin and Witt to Buffalo for Maxim Afinogenov, and Teppo Numminen this way we get 2 of the best names in hockey…
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Hunter07 says:
Honestly, the Isles don’t really owe anyone anything. A confirmation from the team about Guerin is just unnecessary. We all know something is going on, so what are the Isles going to come out and say “We have something going on, but we can’t talk about it…” Sorry, to me that is pointless.
The Isles owe it to the fans to take their time and make sure they get the best deal.
Besides that, I am sure we will all find out the deal and why it was held up so long eventually.
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CJCB says:
Guerin/Martinek for Godard and their 1st.
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The easiest way to get that first round pick the Isles gave up trading for Smtyh back is to trade Guerin to team that drafted a #1 pick in 2007 and is willing to part with it. A solid prospect to make up for the gamble we made for Smyth…Mr. Canada!
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bill says:
I’m a Rangers fan, and I’ve been looking on this progression for the past day (since the Rangers game last night), and honestly, I think Guerin would be a good fit, personally. Realistically, I don’t think that the Rangers would give up Valliquette, but for a Prucha/Dawes type of player and perhaps a draft pick would be more beneficial to both teams. The Rangers obviously need a power-winger, in vein of losing Shanahan, as well as someone that can score. Guerin is a gritty player who would mesh in with the type of game John Tortorella is trying to instill in the players.
In my opinion, I say go for it, and I have no qualms of losing a Nigel Dawes or a Petr Prucha, because honestly, neither of them are going to be Rick Middleton, and that’s just fact. And besides, on the Island, they’d gain more playing time which would be good for their careers. I say count on the Rangers to be involved, but you never know.
Perhaps a deal with the Islanders is under-the-table so they don’t claim Avery? It happened with Bryzgalof going to Phoenix.
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Hunter07,
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ed says:
That article in Newsday about Gordon was very disturbing. This is two coaches (Nolan,Gordon) that have divided the locker room. I don’t see how that atmosphere is going to help develop young players. Also, leaving Guerin hanging right now and that article will not help the Islanders in the eyes of free agents. Need to lose the circus imo.
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If we all weren’t sitting in front of the computer in our jammies with nothing else to do, this might not seem so important. “Get a life, people” ( Shatner)
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dally mac says:
The longer this drags on the more i start to think the trade is to the Rangers, or that it’s a three-way deal with a third team. This is the strangest trade I’ve ever heard of. Although, maybe the reason we know so much about so little so far, is because of sites like this one. With this one ebing the best of course.
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MR4742 says:
Wait, I’m confused. We already know that Guerin is being traded to another team for a pick or prospect or both. But if the Isles don’t come out and say that they are trading him we should be upset? This makes no sense. Why should I be upset at Garth for not telling me something I already know? Wow talk about whining.
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DavidNYC says:
I would have loved an update from the NYI but hopefully they are too busy negotiating a sweet deal. I do not think I have visited a website so often in such a short period of time in my life! On the other hand, this could all be very very anti-climatic in the end! The time its taking does raise many questions and make for lots of blog comment speculation
If it is just a 2nd pick for instance, why the delay? If Guerin approved the trade, why the delay? Did a better deal come to the table? Did Garth pull Guerin last night in hopes of creating more interest at the last moment? Is this just another NYI Circus act with a really lame ending? Hopefully we find out soon! -
Angry Bill says:
If its the devils, I would not expect much in return. Lamorello is a great gm and one stingy bastage.
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DP says:
I just hope he doesn’t end up on the Rangers, if he did he’d have to deal with the “new” Sean Avery.
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Original Rob says:
From the organization that brought you draft-day fiasco after fiasco, multiple criminal owners, and the Mike Peca 3-month-too-early-one-shift-return-and-then-he’s-out-another-3-months comes: The Bill Guerin Saga.
NYI: Always in the news for all the wrong reasons.
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BR says:
Hunter (40) – Thank you! I’ve been feeling exactly the same way. With all the fans in the bloggosphere going nuts, I turned-on TSN this morning expecting to see “Guerin Watch.” No, they were showing ESPN bowling…
People need to chill-out. We all know that a deal is in works. Let them finish the job. They will make an announcement when there is something to announce.
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Ancient Lobster Boy says:
Maybe Bill had second thoughts. He has the right by contract to do so. My guess is that he is taking his time to mull it over.
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jaf10 says:
I think if the isles want a #2 or #1 pick theyd have to add at lest 2 more players like park and martinek somethign like that. If it was to the RAngers dont be surprised if its Guerin and Martinek or park for prucha and there 2nd somethign like that. If its to washinton park or hilbert would be invovled also i think.
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ed, At which point do you blame the players for not getting along with three coaches now, 2 in the past two years. At which point do the baby primadonna veteran players take responsibility for not accepting these coaches? Every other team (player wise) they have coached had zero problems with them. You have to realize that veteran players on a losing team in rebuild mode are never going to be happy and it has nothing to do with coaching and all about their little fragile egos.
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Whining? – have you been watching the same team I have? or paying to see games?
Mismanagement & immaturity & favoritism –re-read Newsday and get in the real world -
Chrisitne says:
“All it has to be is: “We have a deal for Billy in place. It’s good for us and it’s a good spot for Billy. We can’t get into specifics, but some work has to get done for the trade to be finalized. In the mean time, he’ll stay off the ice. As soon as it is completed and approved by the league, we’ll talk about it extensively.””
Is it just me or did I just hear someone at the Isles organization cutting and pasting…
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there is no favoritism its we are going with young players thats why we are getting rid of the vets its that simple.
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All I know is if all this extended drama is simply for a 2nd round pick, it’s major overkill…get it done already…I am sick of all this cloak and danger…
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I’m guessing it could just be a procedural thing. Maybe the NHL office needs some sort of clarification of contract clauses ,or whatever. My point is that it’s hard to believe Snow or his trading partner would string us along just to build up suspense or to raise the stakes.
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isles316 says:
Maybe it’s a three team trade.
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BR (53)I guess me in you are in the minority. Oh well, that is the beauty of sports.
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If it’s the Rangers could you see Charlie Wang F’ing this up…who’s first Manny or Billy?
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hmm..getting rid of the vets and all the experience they bring…with an AHL coach? sounds like many years of typical Islander bs to come…
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Vukota says:
I’m sure Guerin had no problems with Gordon when he was playing on the 1st line and played the full 2 minuts on the PP.
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#25 Gordon knows how to handle vets if the vets had value. He was told to develope the kids. That meant forget the vets in key spots and go young.(PP,overtime,shotouts)Those spots were being occupied by vets then after the 2-21 stretch it was in with the kids. Any vet would be unhappy with that senerio. So be it, we must rebuild the right way.
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Does everyone really believe that once a trade is cosummated, that Garth is going to get into the specifics of what held everything up? When all is said and done, don’t be surprised if we are all still scratching our heads about what all of the fuss was….
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Noaln had a divided locker room because he was told to play the kids and he didn’t. He was gone. Gordon has a divided locker room because he is doing what the gm wants,,,vets gone…Let’s stay the course
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FanSince73 not all the vets are going. If you want to get better and get good young players you have to get rid of some of the vets to get picks. The young players dont show up out of no where. He isnt a AHL coach anymore he is an nhl coach now and doing a good job if you ask me.
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chief – we know this bc Gordon has so much vet expereince? I’m not counting on a first yr coach…lots of mistakes from him this season.
outside of Bergenheim, what kid is scoring any goals? And it took 1/2 the year…this isn’t rebuilding…I’m all for the kids, but let’s be smart -
Mike from Oceanside says:
How’s this for a scenario…Guerin & Gordon had a real blow-up yesterday, which led to Logan’s outing of the Guerin/Gordon relationship. There is no deal currently in place, but the Islanders are feverishly exploring a trade to move Guerin last night into today.
Perhaps that’s why the “other” team has been able to keep so quiet for so long – as there hasn’t been another team as Garth burns up the phone lines looking to make a quick deal? Hey – stranger things have come out of this organization.
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I think that the veterans have completely different roles than they had last season with Ted. Anytime you have played for a long time and put in your dues and then you are being given equal or less playing time than young kids in their first or second seasons it hurts your ego.
Grow up though. Guerin never allowed himself to embrace the situation. Remember when he said just a couple months ago he wanted to stay? Same with Weight. They are just bitter and sour that Bailey is getting more ice time and that a smart coach in Gordon is trying to get his players that will be here more experieince.
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okposo and bergy are scoring. Frans and Bailey are playmakers.
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Heineken says:
hopefully its a package deal to montreal.
guerin, martinek and 1 of our 2nds for
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FanSince73 explan how you are supose to rebuild then
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Rick says:
Unless this is some sort of blockbuster deal, which I can’t see happening, we’re all still going to be scratching our heads going ‘they dragged this out for 2 days for THIS?!?!’ when all is said & done.
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Brian says:
Scott gordon is absolutely doing the right thing…playing the kids and giving them a larger role. Maybe he’s not communicating with the vets the right way…but what he’s doing at this point of the year is right. And if there is a problem, gordon will learn from it.
All I know is theat 3-4 years from now…the core players (okposo, bergenheim, bailey, etc.) will be on the coach’s side. Thats a good thing. -
it prob has to do with someone signing an extension on the other team or maybe they are tring to get guerin to sign an extension
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i can totally See witt going back to washington before deadline as well. If we lose witt hello mike komisarek. Komi RFA or ufa this summer?
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This is offtopic but in response to what people are saying here: There is no reported problem with older players. Park, Weight, Streit, they arent little kids. The discontent is because they are a 30th place team- and if they were NOT discontented with that, there would be something wrong with them as players! Would anyone rather them be thrilled with their team being in last place? You want them looking forward to working on their putting? Come on.
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Being a Pens fan i would be suprised if a trade for Guerin would be coumpleted , the Pens need a physical presence like Brendan Witt more i believe
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playmakers, yes – but you someone in front of the net
rebuilding is size & experience + new blood — look at how Washington rebuilt — it can be done
we’re going to have to agree to disagree here — I’ve been down this road too many times…
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Steve says:
How’s this one> Dallas puts Avery on waivers. Rangers want Avery so bad, they cut a deal with Isles (say a # 7 pick) to make sure they get Avery. But they also want Weight. And Guerin. Isles sign Avery and then trade Guerin and Avery and Weight to the Rangers for Rangers # 1, Prucha and a # 7 pick. But what ‘s holding it up is the Weight thing because the Rangers want to make it conditional as per how far they go; the Isles want something firmer. Plus Weight had to be told. (Quite an imagination don’t I?) Oh – and then Witt calls his agent. Back to the Caps for him. For their #1. And then Hilbert goes to Devs for a 4th rounder. And…
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19 Isle in NJ 22 says:
Maybe we are expecting to much to fast??
On NHL.com’s Deadline Blog they state that Guerin will be consulting his family on Sunday morning about the deal. So this would push back the deal consumation to no earlier than this afternoon sometime after he makes his decision. It isn’t indicated … but … perhaps there is more than one offer for BG to consider.
For now I’ve narrowed it down to the top 10 teams in the East …
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for the record, I have to think that whatever the deal is…it’s a good one for the Isles. Why else would they make a deal so early without waiting for the march 4th deadline? It just tells me Snow got an offer and felt it just had to be done now.
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doug says:
stan just mentiond CB!
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“The Islanders blog, http://www.Islanders uh whatever. Chris Botta…” -Stan Fischler
What an idiot. He says so much for someone that says nothing.
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Cangiolosi just said the correct website.
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Walygz says:
Watching the Devils game and Stan just said according to Chris Botta and his blog “Islanders…..Whatever”, Guerin is not going to Washington.
Had a handwritten note from someone that he apparently couldn’t read. Quite funny.
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Moose says:
CBotts, expect a ton of hits. Stan and Co just name dropped your blog mid game during the Devs-Flyers tilt.
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bossy4president says:
Welcome to Islanderwhatever.com….thanks Stan.
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nystrom23 says:
CB gettin some nice recognition
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The Express says:
(85)
Because a player claimed on waivers can’t be traded until after the season.
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Daniel says:
I just laughed out loud listening to Stan Fischler say the Islanders blog Islander whatever because he couldn’t remember the name. This situation is getting very drawn out, I really hope it amounts into something. I was at the practice today and like reported, Guerin was not there. I guess only time will tell.
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They just mentioned your blog by name on the devils game
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Steve -
Why would the Rangers go after Dead Weight? They already had him once, and he sucked. So why bring him back? Although, I stated previously about a “deal” in place, so, you never know.
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Islanders1984 says:
ryan smyth to teh flames, damn we don’t get to see him tommorow
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Let’s hope that today Wayne Gretsky pipes in and calls the Islanders a Mickey Mouse organization and we end up like the Devils…
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stans a retard get off the air already… but when they went back to dano islanderspointblank.com got plugged
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no new news according to stan fish
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Welcome to Islanderdwhatever.com….thanks Stan.
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gotta love posting about hockey whole wathcing hockey
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Devils broadcasts are unwatchable..god.
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so wheres all the snow were supposed to get on the island? anyone know what were supposed to get ? how many inches?
im sure we will all be shoveling snow tonight and still waiting on the trade
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well…at least we can watch Chico eating cupcakes while we wait…
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Pete M says:
8-14 inches according to Metro Traffic and Weather 5 min ago
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Schultz39 says:
Guerin to Boston for their first. That’s my guess.
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(107) It varies on the Island. I live upsate in Albany and were supposed to get hit a lot harder than the island. Be gracious that you live on the Island. haha
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hey you all know about the promo code for isles tickets on ticketmaster. If you enter “tuscan” you get 1/2 price isles tickets all seats from 300s to the 100′s, only game it doesnt work for is the isles rangers
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Bob Bassen says:
Yeah…Stan Fischler was relevent about 10 years ago.
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admin says:
I don’t mean to insult Stan, my friends on the broadcast or the Devils, but I think more people are on this blog than are watching the game. I do appreciate the plug and the credit, however…CB
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Jimmy Mac says:
I read the Logan article… I don’t see how Gordon did anything wrong.
People make things a big deal out of nothing.
Of coarse the young guys need more coaching.
We are not going to make the playoffs, you need to let the young guys play. Everybody knew this was going on.
Of coarse the vets want to continue to play top minutes. They’re competitive.
I kinda liked them being on 2 separate units. If anything it should have started a heathy competition between the two.
I think this article is a non issue.
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thank you heineken…work for away games too?
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Madchef says:
Spot on CB and u know what it is way more insightful!
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I thought tehy said on devisl broadcast ryan smyth to calgary but can’t find it anywhere. Anyone else find anything
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116, yes any games. also you can use that “tuscan” promo code at the box office window. every game just not vs rangers.
i’ve used it many times, its great.
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it is just a rumor that they were stating
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no one here wants afinogenov?
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CB..I agree. Pending *snow storm* or not this head to head play-off type match-up should be packed house full of intensity type game.
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thanks hein…..i live in NC and will use it!
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25yearfan says:
Steve Cangialosi = stand up guy for correcting the “whatever” with the correct website address.
Interesting that Stan called it the NY Islanders blog, but fumfered when it counted (gotta love the chance to use “fumfer”)
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Brooks says:
Enough already im sick of this.
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TuxTax says:
Are we there yet? How much longer?
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i’d be suprised if stan fishler knows what a blog is, guy should move to florida and retire already
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I like Afinegenov, but he is 29. That might be a little older than the Isles need. Although if you can rehab him from being a “headcase”, he could be traded for a nice haul in a year or two
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I’m one of the 3 or 4 people watching the Devils game because I’m sitting home sick and there’s nothing else on. Watching this team I don’t think they need Guerin, or anybody else, the way they’re playing right now. Getting Brodour back at this stage of the season is like making a trade for a franchise goalie (without giving anything up).
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guerin13 says:
rds is saying that it’s the caps but they are having trouble clearing cap space to fit guerin in.
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Caps are almost 2 million under the cap so that is BS.
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Dissolutioned Brian in VA says:
The crazy nut Wang has to sell the team because the lighthouse will never be built. Wilpon or Ratner should acquire the Isles and the get a real GM or real coach! We are a joke in the new nhl where parity is the name of the game with the stupid shootout loser point; look at us we are dreadful!
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Give it a rest brian. It’s posts like yours that are embarrassing.
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hellyeah says:
the rate things are going, we may as well be contending for the stanley cup, wow. calm down people.
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This place is jumping. I was #69 after giving the baby a bottle we’re up to 126, It’s good to know so many care. Brian #78 we are on the same page with this
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Steve R says:
I wonder who will end up sharin’
The scoop on who is takin’ Guerin
I’ve heard the song
For much too long
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beatlebailey says:
CB is now “bigtime” I wonder when his people will start commenting on the blog instead ot THE MAN!.
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afinogenov????anyone anyone beuller beuller
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Bruce says:
I don’t understand why people want Wang to sell the team. For the first time in decades it finally looks like the Islanders are going to have a sense of stability. Garth Snow hasn’t done a terrible job for us and he wisely decided to rebuild the team through the draft. Scott Gordon’s system will take a while to be effective but the decision has been made and he is here to stay (campoli trade). Kyle Okposo will be a stud and Bergenheim is finally looking like a good player. I am excited about this teams future and hopefully in 4-5 years we will be here in early march hoping to be the ones getting a player like Bill Guerin to help us make a run for the Cup instead of finding out where we are trading our captain to.
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Maydog says:
@100 Where did you see that? Could you post a link? Becuase that was the only reason I was going tomorrow night: To boo the crybaby
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DanNOLA says:
Banging my head with my laptop ala the monks in Monty Python’s Holy Grail is seeming like it is the best solution right now.
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Maydog, you gotta admit when they picked up Smyth, even giving up 3 1st rounders, it was damn exciting.
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rb says:
watching my screensaver is more exciting than watching the Newark River Rats…and I hope Stan, Chico and the vastly overrated Doc Emerick (a/k/a shouting homer, boys and girls) enjoy their afternoon on Broad Street in beautiful downtown Newark (hope you got that Kevlar vest ready to walk to your car!)
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sbeer says:
Does anyone have an updated list of the number of draft pick we have in 09 and in which round the picks fall? I am curious to see the breakdown …
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we have 2 first, 3 seconds, and 1 pick in each round after that.
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james says:
Stan also couldn’t remember Kyle O’s last name last night.His ship sailed a long long time ago. He has turned into John Madden. He just talks without ever saying anything relevant.I’m surprised he still knows what sport he’s watching. Good luck to Billy where ever he winds up.
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Thanks isles316
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IMO Wang has been a savior to the franchise, albeit he has made some poor descisions along the way there is a learning curve(how many bad signings, coach firings did the 80′s Yanks go through under Steinbrenner…..The Ed Whitsons, Steve Kemps of the world) Maybe finally he is letting the draft make his star players come to life…like the 96…maybe I’m jus sayin
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I think I’ll check back tomorrow, when I’m snowbound with two kids home from school. Woo Hoo. Snowy waitin for the snow
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Isles have NYI1, SJ1, NYI2, TOR2, BOS2
Did I leave any out?
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BigWiggs says:
This has to be involing weight. The team that traded for him probably needs to know that the 4 week timeframe on his injury is correct and that he willbe back and ready to go. Sounds like a package deal of the buddies weight and guerin
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It was, and I’m still for doing that trade. What I didn’t appreciate was him turning down the Isles higher offer, then signing with a non-Canadian team that isn’t that good and wreaking the Isles for 5 years. Thus the booing
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Florida is absolutely desperate to make the playoffs. Maybe Jacques Martin would trade a first round pick. Hilbert would thrive on that team. Hilbert and Guerin for a first round pick (optional for 09 or 10).
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Marc says:
Fischler botching this web site was hysterical — only because Cangelosi quickly gave the correct address.
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Law says:
This is clearly a evil plan concocted by Wang, Snow, Botta, etc to give us all carpal tunnel from hitting refresh every 30 secs!! =P
All kidding aside, even if this deal turns out to be minor in scope, how great is this time of year. Can’t wait till we’re playoff contenders again and the deadline takes on new significance.
Thanks for the all the hardwork, CB, much appreciated.
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Matt says:
Why is it that everyone in this organization gets the learning curve excuse(post 150)? If its Snow its Wang and if its not Wang or Snow its Gordon. Give me a break how about having someone who knows what the he!! is going on!
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Tough to argue with that maydog.
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ok…Devils game over…give us the news!
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Chris A says:
With the snow expected this is bad for whoever gets him since most likely they would lose a day with him practicing causing him to miss a game
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Hock says:
Law #157 – Totally agree…..I’m exhibiting symptoms of carpel tunnel too!!
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Why do I have this bad feeling this is all for nothing.
Maybe there is no trade in place, and Garth jumped the gun.
If we waited 24 hours to hear all this is for a second rounder, I will not be impressed.
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a f i n o g e n o v
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RE #165… Have you watched Maxim Afinogenov this year? Pass.
Miro Satan Mark II level disinterest.
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Jonsson3 what are you obesssed with getting Oleg Kvasha 2?
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I meant Why
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KAVASHA!! What ever happened to him? He could be on VH1s Where are they now!
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kvasha is playing in KHL as of December.
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can get him cheap he’s good you’ll see
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He is very good, when he wants to be.
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He’s a free agent…
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bring him on
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snow + travel time = NYR?
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Isles78 says:
Ok Afinogenov has 3 problems. 1. which has been pointed out he plays uninspired hockey way too much. 2. He is a UFA at the end of the season. 3. Injury problems.
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Good. He’ll be real cheap.
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Does anyone think there is any chance that the isles trade the 1st or 2nd overall pick this summer for additional picks and/or immediate help?
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no
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mapisles2025 says:
now i’m pissed…was it really necessary to cause all this drama
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not the top pick… but the others to move up in the draft… yes.
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No, Afinagenov is not ‘GOOD’. He’s an uninspired lazy player who only CARES when the puck is on his stick and he’s on the top line.
There’s a reason Buffalo wants NOTHING to do with him.
We’re creating a floater free team. He’s one of the NHL Floater posterboys.
PASS!!!!
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JT says:
Any chance of a trade with the Wild and we land Gaborik? Maybe contract extension negotiations with his agent are what is delaying the deal???
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another free agent… wht waste picks.
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Guerin might consider playing for Lemaire again, even in Minny.
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Bob says:
Well based on what is going on today (NJ,Philly,Was,Pit & FL all playing today assuming it is one of these teams involved the only way it has not been announced is if a player in the trade is currently playing which can be assumed + a pick seems the most likely scenario at this point.
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Did anybody read logans practice blog? I love what Gordon said. Something alomng the lines of he doesn’t care what people think and if he has to step on some toes to fix the problem then he has no problem doing it. It’s about time a coach could care less about the players feelings and worry about the whole team instead of catering to certain players.
I find it kind of funny how Guerin didn’t complain earlier in the year when he was playing on the 1st line and playing the full 2 minutes on the PP. I guess Gordon was ok back then. The kids are thriving under gordon, that’s all that matters
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Rob says:
JT (183)- Gaborik????? did i miss something or is Okposo also available??
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Botts…
I think we all know(or we should know this deal is not a blockbuster deal.
But at the same time… to pull the trigger 3 days before the deadline, it has to be pretty damn good.
Nothing less than a 1st rounder, or a 2nd with a very good prospect will do.
If it is Montreal… they are trying to do a deal with Calgary too. Maybe the Calgary deal needs to take place before the Billy Trade Watch will end.
It is fun either way… keep up the good work CB.
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Could be wrong, but why would the hold-up be that a player involved is playing right now? If a guy is about to be traded, you do what the Isles did last night and pull him off the ice so he doesn’t get injured (and nix the deal).
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Washington-Florida and Pittsburgh game should be over by 5:45, eastern time.
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150 goals for
45 points
last in both
thriving?getting exposure and ice time, yes
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watching caps game now…said Guerrin is waiting…but could b interesting for Caps fans
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Bob (186): I think that the most likely scenario is that Billy Guerin is the onle holding all the cards here. He might want to talk about things with his family, negotiate an extention with this other team, theres lots of reasons. And since he could have easily laughed and said he was going nowhere, he has every right to take as long as he wants. Not that it isnt driving me crazy wondering and waiting as well, Im just saying!
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maybe a player involved in the trade at the other end has a No Trade Clause?
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A team that’s fighting for their lives just to make the playoffs might be more likely to add players and possibly disrupt the dressing room than a team with some breathing room. If this were true, Boston, Wash., Jersey probably wouldn’t chase Guerin.
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Witty says:
At this point the deal would have to be for Ovechkin to live up to the hype. The way the Isles have handled this (by not handling it) is absurd at best.
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what bout semin…ive heard some people mention his name?
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It’s not all about numbers. Get rid of the fantasy perception. They are thriving under Gordon.
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Jim says:
I don’t think the delay is because of another player playing. I think it’s because either the other team is trying to move somebody else, is looking to see what it’ll cost for a player similar to Guerin (Tkachuk) or is just not sure they want Guerin for what Snow is asking for.
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C$ says:
Pitts: Matt Cooke, 1st rd pick
NYI: Bill Guerin -
How are the isles suppose to handle this? Something is holding up the deal. it’s not their job to constantly give us die hards a update every 15 minytes because we have no life,lol
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The Real Truthster says:
I don’t get you guys; seriously; Including CB. The islanders dont have an obligation to do ANYTHING accept discuss the parameters with billy guerin; Thats IT. It is in the best interest of the organization and the trade partner for it to progress in this manner.
And to all the negative nancies who want to hiss and boo about scott and the “direction”, please provide me the “direction” you would like the team to go in; would you like 2001-2004? Then just say it. Stop being a back seat driver when there is a clear road of what a rebuild looks like; Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. -
#201, where’d you hear that?
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The Real Truthster- Brilliant post. Post of the weekend!!!
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if you read between the lines of what botta is saying, we should expect not anything earth shattering coming out of this deal-as of now, im expecting it to be a 2nd rounder plus a “B” prospect from some team who desperately needs scoring and a veteran presence. (pittsburgh, montreal, and washington are my guesses in that particular order). cb, from reading your update, i have a felling you know something you’re not letting on. just saying.
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It’s no secret Pittsburgh isn’t thrilled with Cooke. But if Garth could do that deal, he should run for gov.
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The Ice Man says:
CB, this issue will get over 1000 comments if it is not resolved in the next 30 minutes, max! I’ve been checking frequently, but this is my 1st post on the subject. First off, Good Luck to you Bill Guerin, wherever you wind up – you have been a classy gent! Next, the Isles organization does not owe us info starved fans any explanation, though it would be thoughtful and classy if they did make some kind of comment. Finally, given all the rumblings do we have any idea and can you comment if this is a multi-player deal, ala some of the suggested Guerin plus Weight options? Anyway, great reading and it is nice to know so many care, even some of the dirtRags invaders are showing they care, otherwise they wouldn’t be posting their inane comments.
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This is insane now. Is Gath running around like a puupy dog for another gm making him sweat.
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David says:
i hate the fact that i was so excited about the trade, but now after reading this and that we might only get a second rounder and a b prospect, it takes the excitement away for me…o well better than losing him for nothing in july
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I agree with CB we have been cooking this one for a straight 24 hours with many of us on this website for most of that time waiting and dreaming of some blockbuster. The fact is it won’t be anything major but thats okay just give us a pick or prospect and be done with it.
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Hype!?!? Aren’t we the fans creating the “Hype”? Has the Islanders organization “hyped” this deal? They’ve been quiet … which is what has everyone on edge. CB has warned us in the previous thread not to expect a blockbuster.
Traditionally we’ve gotten our trade news via a “News Outlet”, but with blogs things get out we’d normally not see … both true and untrue … I wish I knew now but I don’t. I can hold out another 24 hours if I had to & I’m just as curious as everyone else. CB will let us know when he knows.
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Rob, Gaborik has been out virtually all season with his injury. Adding Guerin will get them something back for someone who hasnt been doing squat this year. It may actually work out. Besides that Gaborik is a UFA, so if they arent going to sign him past this year Minn may consider it. Maybe there is a swap of some draft picks. Minn is offensively challenged so I am hopeful of a shot at it.
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Vukota#199 I’m with you. Throw the numbers out. Forget goal numbers for this year. Every under 25 guy on the roster has improve greatly. I still believe if DP was in goal we would be sitting in 10th or 11th place. It will benefit us that he missed all but 5 games, we get a top pick 1 or 2 and then get ready for next year with a year experience for our young player.
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Vukota -
doesn’t sound like it from the locker room
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An Islanders spokesman said the team will issue a statement today….so much for that.
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JT (213) – I hope you are right – From your lips to God’s ears – i was not at all saying its a bad idea but its not “east” and Gaborik’s name has always been thrown out there to us and it never materializes
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Aim says:
Ya know what leave it to the NYI to make a dog and pony show out of this. They should have not even sent Guerin out for the warmup last night instaed of pulling him from the lineup right before game time. If there is a deal in principal as we were led to beleive last night do you think if it involved a player from another team that the player would be risking injury and playing today?? If that is the case Billy should have played last night and then there is no topic of conversation! Hey I agree the NYI dont have to explain anything but coming up on 24 hours maybe a general statement would have been nice…..we have a trade in place but BG is negoting an extension with that team etc etc
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Rob(217)I agree with you. Also thinking maybe a lil misinformation with the whole east thing?
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Doesn’t sound like what? from the locker room.
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Obs says:
The waiting game continues… Caps are in, Caps are out, What about Pitt, Rags, Devils, Montreal? I really don’t want to see another pick (Unless the fleece someone for a 1st) but a Blue Chip Prospect would be nice.
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The only ones amking a dog and pony show out of this is us and the media!!!
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blogs may not be mainstream yet but they do provide plenty of great insight into a how a deal really goes down with all things that are taken into consideration. you never get that with a newspaper.
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Aim, the only dog and pony show is the one you have going on in your head about this.
Pulled him before gametime?? “Be nice to us fans and give us an update”So let me get this straight, you think its a dog and pony show, they should have played him in the game or excused him BEFORE the game, and 24 hours later made a statement just to appease us the fans
Of course, why this shouldnt be between islanders management and their captain right? We, the fans, need to be the insects on the walls to find out the juicy tidbits
I would trade Aim and that disgruntled VA fan for debby downer of SNL lore in a second.
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yes that is true Vukota everyone has got over the edge here. Last night took the cake when everyone was falling all over Wade Redden it is geeting out of hand lets just sit back and wait nutin else to do I agree that in the end we will all be getting nuts and wind up with a mid 2nd rounder and a mid level player to get the NYI back to the cap floor.
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miket says:
This is frustrating. The organization strung us along the entire first half with DP and his injured knee.
Now this 2 day trade drama for a guy who (while being a nice guy and a good leader) is a 38 year old winger with 16 goals. Give me a break already.
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Absolutely right Mick. It’s like moving next to an airport, then complaining about the noise.
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aim……thought you were suspended for 5 games for going over ur limit on posts!
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Danny in Section 306 says:
How credible is that Cooke+1st Rounder scoop? That’d be phenomenal for a Pittsburgh team that’s slumping fairly low…
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As annoying as this is I gotta give em credit. All eyes in the hockey world are on where Guerin is going and the Islanders organization.
They’ve been masterful at keeping tight lipped and not letting on. We’re all sucked into the drama.
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Maybe Garth will make another trade before the Guerin Trade Show finishes up.
Maybe Witt…. lol.
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Is Phil. out of the mix?
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I don’t really see Guerin in Pitts., but what about Hilbert? He put up good numbers with Crosby( Nova Scotia’ own!), and he seems to be a more well rounded player now. They keep sayin’ Syd needs a new winger. Could be worth a second rounder.
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Ed J says:
lol grats CB on the plug in the Devils game…..
my goodness almost 1k reply’s today….
looks like someones NHL blog is a big deal….
Grats again CB and I am sure this site will gets lots & lots of hits this week…
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cgs878 says:
With the Islanders’ luck this season with injuries, I understand why they pulled him out of the game last night. Why risk an injury to Guerin? As far as this whole “Guerin trade watch” (or dog & pony show, as some people have termed it), does it really matter where he goes and what the Islanders get in return? It won’t change the immediate future nor this season’s dismal outcome. I guess there’s nothing else going on in the world of hockey today. Personally, I’m gonna go watch my TiVoed Devils game and root for Parise to surpass Ovechkin in goals before the end of the season.
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nope not true and to answer the earlier comment. The Islanders created this by letting Guerin warm up and having him on the lineup card for last night. When that happens and the player doesnt play, that is pulling a player before gametime. The NYI played the game 1 player short because of this. My point being if a trade was so close scratch him! that is why we have all been going nuts here for 2 days. Guerin plays last night non factor. The NYI lie about injury all the time so if they said last night BG scratched lower body no one would have noticed. Of all the hundreds of trades we have all seen you gotta admit this one is a bit bizarre!
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CB is definitely right, as this nears the 24hr mark I’m getting very sick of it. I was going crazy the whole game last night and through much of the night. I woke up and immediately ran to my computer to see if there was any news. I’ve been hitting refresh for hours. I’m very quickly getting to the point of not caring
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THS says:
Its about damn time the organization stand by a head coach. Remember when Laviolette was run out of town because of the locker room? Well, they replaced him with SS (sinking ship) and got us no where. There were also whispers after Nolan left last year. So, it doesn’t seem to matter the coach, there always seems to be some background noise. The answer to all that is: who cares? The team needs to build with youth and you have to commit to that. As a veteran, if you can’t understand that, then goodbye and good riddance. I applaud Gordon for not letting it phase him and I applaud the team for supporting the coach. I am now convinced that they are committed to building this program the right way.
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I sometimes feel bad for Snow in situations like this. Compare Bill Torrey making a trade 25 yrs. ago to what’s happening this weekend. Pretty uncomplicated back then. Garth will probably have to hold a press conference just to explain the delay.
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it’s perverse but entertaining nonetheless… kind of like the anticipation that comes with a blind date…
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Hope she ain’t ugly.
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Smokey says:
Congrats on 1,000 posts on this topic, CB. Between the 760 in the other thread and the 240 in this thread, you cracked the mark.
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If you are going “crazy and curious” over a trade that has yet to be announced, it says more about you then the trade that has yet to be announced.
IF you dont see it EXACTLLYYY when it comes out hot off the press, its not going to change a few hours after it occurs.
So in reality, this really IS the case of curiousity..killing the sunday
No doubt, banter will be exchanged back and forth between the pessimists (you konw who you are) and optomists (we know who we are too) invariably using this “suspense is killing me speculation” as some sort of microcosm of the entire islanders year. The pessimists will argue the “woe is me” karmic philosophy, while the optomists will try their gosh darnest to bring them to the light.
And in the end, the trade ..still.wont..get..announced..any quicker
Because like everything in life, there are processes and procedures and rules and regulations, things to abide by and consummations to be in order.
Ah the power of an idle brain.
with that ..i am out to leave you all to satiate your curiosity with possibilities from the cosmos.
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jon from nj says:
You’re now correct CB…I am tired of this. It’s ridiculous.
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coral springs isle fan says:
Washington getting shelled by the Panthers; perhaps they should get into the Guerin mix.
I hope they tell Billy NOT to shovel any Snow (the white frozen precipitation predicted to fall) until after the trade. Also, please do not take the kids sleigh riding until after the trade is approved.
Let it Snow baby!
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the bomber says:
i just think the delay is because he’s going to the rangers and the deal hinges on us claiming Avery when he hits waivers then shipping he and Guerin to the Rangers. Who we get back? you got me. I dont even wany Avery on our team for the 5 minutes it takes to claim him then ship him off. what a piece of turd.
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I think its called being a fan….i dont know bout ya’all…but the Isles are my religon!
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Fritzfan says:
Islanders love the talk that suspense drums up. Wait until draft day if they have #1. We won’t know in advance and will have a Tavares/ Hedman split screen as it gets announced.
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Can’t trade a player you picked up on waivers until the offseason
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Just heard on the Washington-Florida broadcast that Boston media reporting that he may be going to Boston.
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jeez vukota you keep killing me, we may need to drop the gloves
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TimQ says:
I know this is completely off topic but if Kate Murray and ToH ever doubted that there is passionate fanbase, all they need to do is check these strings out.
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Macch says:
Agreed CB. Let’s see if we hear something when the Caps game is over
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This isn’t going to even happen today
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Sorry bomber.
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Isn’t this the same Billy Geurin that everyone in the hockey world made fun of the Islanders for picking up and then making our captain? Now all of a sudden it’s a huge deal on what team he is going too?
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I wonder if CB knows what the deal is? This is probably 1st or 2nd + salary dump or prospect for Guerin.
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ItsGoodToBeRich says:
I’m starting to think that this trade will not get done. Its been almost 24 hours since Guerin was pulled from the line-up, and usually when that happens a trade is announced after the game. For some reason maybe the other team decided not to make the trade, either that or there might be more players involved. Whatever happens, I can’t see the Isles getting back more than a second round pick or some prospect no one has ever heard of.
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It doesn’t have anything to do with a player in a game. They would be sitting out just like BG did last night. If a team was in discussion of a trade they would not risk a guy getting hurt. The Montreal (O’Bryn)deal was interesting until he got hurt lastnight. He’s not on the team but he scored more goals for us this year then Gervais has in the last three. Sign him up
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Notjing like the isles for taking a sunday from us
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Ajax says:
as I was stated earlier, you cant claim a player off of waivers and themtrade them, so the Avery thing wouldnt be a factor in this
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addition to #256
Now he’s a great leader that will help a playoff team go deep into the playoffs? Do these writers even remember half the BS the write?
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Rich says:
Guys Guerin to Sabres for Pominville and a 2nd rounder…my source is well connected he says its with the sabres and most likely player I mentioned. We will see
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Akeem says:
We’re now over 1000 comments. Mazel tov.
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Its to the Rangers!!
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I’m fed up……not with the BG trade hold up, not with the Isles themselves….I’m fed up with the hockey media talking down my team at every mention of the word Islanders. No one is good when we get them but then after they leave of when they’re on other teams they are awesome.
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No chance its guerin for pominville+2nd thats not fair whatsoever
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cause they still need to win any game they can…
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Pominville had 80 points last year and is 26 years old so they throw him AND a 2nd rounder for Guerin – you must be talking about your drug source – next time call your hockey source
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The trade has changed form from last night…my guy stated
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who’s your guy
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Will says:
@rich
That is completely rediculous, most likely the furthest thing from the truth and too funny. Rich, whoever your source is, ask him to retire.
If I’m wrong, I owe you guys some beers. and if i’m wrong, Garth Snow deserves a medal, and some F$@king cookies.
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perhaps the delay is from the NHL level
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that trade would NEVER happen
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By the way he has 46 points this year…13 shabby goals
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Just an FYI this site is being in mentioned at the place we shall not mention. So expect a ton of BS.
As I’m sure most people are aware of anyways.
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it might have to take our 1st rounder from sj
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right what CB said, i went from excited to not pissed off, to not caring anymore…WTF IS THE OTHER TEAM….so annoying
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where did you hear rangers 266
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Buhwheat says:
Rich is full of Ich.
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Can’t see Guerin accepting a trade to Buffalo…they’re not a promising contending team, they’re LUCKY at best if they make the playoffs, and who thinks they’re going deep?? With that said, Pominville and a pick wouldn’t be so bad, considering that we are all anticipating the worst case, being an unknown, never-heard-of prospect and a pick….
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Hi, I actually watch Buffalo games. The Mayor of Pominville is not getting dealt. Sorry.
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You can trade a player that was claimed off of waivers. It’s legal.
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no u cant
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“The place we shall not mention….” You mean the place you post at all the time?
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Just cause u watch buffalo games means exactly whaaaaat?
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Rich, it means I’m informed enough to know that a journeyman 38 year old gearing up for retirement is not fetching a 2nd Rounder and A CORE PLAYER OF THE BUFFALO SABRES.
Keep Dreaming, Man.
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Rich’s posts should be deleted – save that BS for another blog – that is too rediculous with no credibility
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Fair enough Moose, like I said it may take our 1st rounder from SJ to complete the deal. Don’t have all the details yet
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Rich what is your evidence? Next you will be claiming that DP was traded for Lundqvist
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map, i would make that trade in a heartbeat..
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GUYS MY SOUCE who is a high level executive for an eastern division team told me that these discussions were serious, no reason for me to make this stuff up…he may be wrong but whatever..i am sure he’s pissed i leaked it
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You can trade a player that was claimed off of waivers, it IS allowed. I believe the former team has to have a say in it, though. Something to that affect.
I have the feeling that GM’s Sather and Snow have a deal in place, considering Sather probably heard that someone else wants to claim Avery off of re-entry waivers (any team that’s below the Rangers), and since the Islanders will get first pickings, there might be a deal between the Islanders and Rangers that Guerin and Avery will be shipped off to MSG for whatever. The Rangers need to clear cap space, as well. Since this deal has been held off (and let’s be reasonable: if this deal was to Montreal or Boston or something, the deal would have already been made hours ago, instead of everyone sitting here confused). I have a pretty good feeling that Guerin will be shipped off to the Rangers, considering the amount of deliberation that has been involved with this whole situation. And if he doesn’t go to the Rangers, then the chance of the Rangers acquiring Avery are slim-to-nil.
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I would take Pominville+2nd for Guerin+SJ 1st in a heartbeat but neither trade is going to happen…i just want to know more about your source. what is his connection?
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rich where are you getting your ideas, you sound like another eklund, a guy who makes stuff up to gage interest from hockey fans during a time of “unrest”
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how does everyone know hocky executives here? I can;t believe how many people have sources
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The queen will never leave Manhattan….there are to many guys attached to his twigandberries.
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Why would they trade Pominville? Doesn’t make any sense.
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youre right mary, its complete and utter BS why would the sabres trade away one of their most promising players, while theyre barely making the playoffs, for a 38 yr old rental player??? i cant believe people even considered this plausible for even a half a second! this guys toying with us(that is if u believed him in the first place)
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I’ll shut up now..didn’t make it up..sounds too god to be true for Isles fans. Did P-ville fall into the chateay bow-wow in Buffalo Idk but Guerin has more goals than him this year and can provide ledership to a very very young team
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Scott, East Meadow Long Island says:
This just in from TSN..
“The waiting game continues for Bill Guerin.
However, in Guerin’s case, sources say the Islanders forward now knows who the team is and Guerin and Islanders’ general manager Garth Snow are both waiting for that team to make its final decision to close the deal.
The identity of this mystery team is being concealed in fear the trade will fall apart.
Final confirmation would end a saga that started when Guerin was pulled out of the Islanders lineup after the warm up and before Saturday’s game against the Buffalo Sabres.”
Lets hope that this deal doesnt fall apart..It would be difficult to see BG in the lineup tomorrow night…
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Rich, please, just stop..
If you somehow by the grace of god turn out to be right, then most of us will probably be immediately struck by lightning.
Until then, keep your “sources” out of this.
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ISLESFAN999 says:
Anyone who has info is bsing. If botta isnt sure believe me no1 knows yet other than the 2 gms. The deal hasnt even been made yet otherwise we would know.
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Did Botta break the Campoli trade? Nope
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CB, I’ve always been under the impression that teams don’t like announcing trades on Sundays and will usually hold off until Monday can you confirm this. I’m not expecting any announcement tonight.
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Cruicky says:
306 – that’s been there since 3:31 pm. Old news
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Sorry 311…just read it..been out all day, figured it was new info…
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No, never took credit for it
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My sister’s nanny’s ex-husband’s dog says that Guerin is on his way to the grocery store.
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Caps game is over, lost 6-2
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Scott(306) – that’s th link CB had – that’s not just in…
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Wait I Have breaking news from a source (high level executive) that guerin was traded to boston for kessel krejci lucic and wheeler.
the only hold up is that boston wants to give us some money, but garth snow said that his bank is closed on sunday.. damn!
LOL
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Bri On LI says:
This has been fun, but I’m getting a little antsy…
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I’m not one for defending the Islanders and the way they do things believe me! But really guys you can’t get mad at Snow for not announcing the deal when it quite obviously is not done, I have a feeling its going to be a big let down for most of you when you see the results! If we get a second and a prospect that would sound about right or maybe a late first straight up if Garth pulls a fast one. A lot are saying there are some willing to over pay so who knows.
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Glenn says:
REVEAL THE TEAMS, SOMEONE!!! PLEASE!!!
CB, a side question: After the Islanders won the 92-93 Patrick Division, the banner was raffled off the next year
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Pritchett54 says:
rich, who else are we gonna trade at the deadline? Is someone gonna take weight off our hands?
How about Weight and SJ 1st rounder for Sid Crosby and Evgeny Malkin?
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They could be overpaying, being that it”s 4+ days before the deadline
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Thats a little steep for Crosby and Malkin. Only give up SJ’s first!
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according to wikipedia,richard park is a member of the washington capitals. wtf is up with that. i know wikipedia had guerin to the vikings, chiefs, and other bs but that was taken off immedietely. but park’s pahe has him as a member of the caps. wtf isthat all about?
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mrjb (#319) where did you see or hear zipay?
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I heard it’s between the Whalers and Nordiques, but Guerin would rather go to Hartford since it’s closer to home…
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Will, for your sake I hope the Isles get back Roman “I’ll make you an offer you can’t refuse” Hamrlik…Maybe then you’ll be a happy fellow
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word on the street is that guerin’s only willing to wave his ntc to go to Hartford if ron francis comes out of retirement to join him.
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I hate Crosby,, like him or lump him….wtf does that mean…even ovechin wanted to tear his head off
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Rich, my man, I’m a deeply satisfied individual, I mean come on, what other time of the year can we talk about this $hit than trade deadline time…
This is my favorite time of the year, and i wouldnt have it any other way.
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mjrb24 says:
I read on Zipay’s blog that in his opinion it’s Pitt. He didn’t give a scenario, but he was talking about who on the Rag$ is expendable, and then mentioned Guerin’s destination.
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Kristie says:
This is getting really old, hope we hear something soon.
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Will (330), that’s not what I’m hearing. My sources tell me that he’s holding out because he wants to be on a line with Pat Verbeek…
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I guess the package for Witt, Park, Hilbert, Guerin and Martinek wouldn’t land Pominville either?
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Maybe Vancouver will take him Cliff Ronning was unstoppable in NHL 94
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This is nuts. When was the last type there was this much hype for a player like Bill Guerin getting traded a few days before the deadline? Just goes to show show you how crazy its going to be on deadline day. These 5-6 teams who are the only sellers are in the drivers seat.
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Larry Ziegler says:
I say there is no trade in place and the Islanders got nervous when Witt got suspended and Martinek hurt himself, they saw 2 possiable trading chips miss time, so they are taking no chances with Guerin.
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ahhhh!! it’s been two hours since CB’s last update!! I am going stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir crazy!
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Guys, let’s take a chill. THERE ISN’T THAT MUCH HYPE! It’s just here, I promise…
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Vanek and Roy would have to be included for cap room.
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It’s Luca Brazzi! Well, all kidding aside I hope it’s Luca Caputi, a big, 6’2″ 185lbs LW from the Penguins or Alex Grant 6’2″ D-man with a big shot. I don’t think that is asking too much for BG.
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@akeem
Damn! Pat Verbeek, hell, lets get andrew cassels and geoff sanderson in there while were at it @Rich
Indeed Cliff Ronning was dominant in NHL 94 as was that whole team, bure, courtnall, ronning, hell i could even pot some goals with jyrki lumme haha -
Justin Marques says:
AM:
This hype is good for the Islanders, very good! If teams are getting into a bidding war, and I pray that they are, we might wind up coming out with more than we thought we would from this deal. If the deal turns from a second and a prospect to a first round pick because of a bidding war, wouldn’t that make you happy? Who knows, maybe more players are involved, and maybe this is really a big deal overall. Only time will tell, but it’s good to have the focus on the Islanders for once, and in a positive light!
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this reminds of the mats sundin will he or won’t he waive his ntc situation from last year and when he couldn’t decide between van and nyr this year.
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how about this for a trade possibility? guerin to dallas for brett hull, and guerin becomes the stars’s new gm? ENOUGH ALREADY!!! WHATS GOING ON WHOSE BEEN TRADED WHERE?!!!!!
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mtrico says:
Strange that CB has been silent for so long. It would be nice to know what is going on.
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Again, I love BG, but let’s not overdo it. He’s getting near the end of a great career. Bidding war, don’t think so.
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I updated richard parks wiki page to show him as an islander again
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I got a better one – Guerin to the scrap heap for Eric Fichaud
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Do you really think that, if this was really part of some kind of blockbuster, something with more than just 2 teams involved, it would still be this quiet? The more people involved, the more likely someone would leak something, and I don’t mean “leak” like this character Rich and his Pominville BS…
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Bobby says:
There is no way he waves a NTC to go to Buffalo!! Truth be told we have hyped this so much it doesn’t even matter who or what we get back. We have more than likely set ourselves up for a huge dissapointment.
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This blog is like CRACK…how did I ever let you guys suck me in to this all day????
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#352….understatement of the year!
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I keep reading Guerin to the Caps, with the holdup beign trading Nylander.
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Let’s try and acquire Richard Kromm. Guerin, Witt, Hilbert, and Tonelli for him.
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Pnut says:
@mtrico
maybe he hasn’t heard anything, then why go on here because Chris doesn’t have to come on here hourly
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It’s going to be Guerin for 2 Second’s and some fourth rounder; I know it’s been hyped but everybody has to stop expecting the Isles to get back a high-caliber player.
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i think the only thing we r getting back is the C off of BGs jersey!
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Prospect or Pick? Which would you prefer?
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What is going to appear first…The snow on the ground or the Snow in front of a microphone?
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prospect
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whats the chance that its actually the caps, and that snow is working on an extension with nylander and thats the holdup?
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I wonder if Witt will actually end up in Washington? anyone have an opinion on that?
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Why would we want Nylander. He’s 35, soft, and a former ranger.
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think it would be good for both wsh and witt….i wanted Pat Lafontaine to finnish here!
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Roberto says:
Nylander is not an impending UFA…so zero chance.
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That was a good one Mike for Oceanside (361)
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Can’t see them getting Nylander…what for?? We’re rebuilding, so why go from one veteran to another? I’m not saying that I wouldn’t take him, but not straight up for Guerin, and if I’m Garth Snow, this makes no sense…
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nylanders has 3 yrs left on his deal and ntc. We do not need him. We need picks
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HilbertSnipe says:
I’ll be happy with anything at this point as long as Comrie doesn’t come back to the Island.
Bobby, I think everyone set themselves up for a huge disappointment except for maybe me haha!
If something in the trade wire is holding this up, it is near impossible to have any organization handle it perfectly IMO. If it’s what is speculated, and that is that something is holding it up on the table, then the Isles are more than likely trying their best to get the trade done. I wouldn’t mind a statement by management, but for those of you who are complaining about constant updates from the Isles themselves, I think that is ridiculous. That is the media’s job… to speculate. I’m sure G-SNOW is doing his best job to get the trade done! -
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The deal for Nylander would make no sense, unless he is traded to another team (Chicago?) for a package.
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On a side note, if you read the newsday blog it sounds as though Gordon has sewn the “C” on Hunter’s jersey himself.
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You could flip him at the deadline, but why not do a 3 team deal if that were the case?
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HEY CB…..is it safe to go eat dinner?
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this will be priceless when hes back in the lineup tuesday night
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Anyone think Weight could be following Guerin?
Maybe that could be part of the hold up? Just the ironing out that portion of the trade?
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NYI : Bill Guerin
WAS: The dude that played goal for one period.
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Sutton and Meyer are not on the Isles depth chart on the team website. Don’t know if that is cause of injury but Thompson and Weight are on there and they are hurt.
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Bill Guerin will not play, they wont risk letting him get hurt before the deadline. We already lost Weight. Snow is too smart to not let Guerin play.
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Mike B. says:
Witt to Washington just was said to be imminent on Isles Nation
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I’m not sure, but doesn’t Nylander have a large contract now, something similar to Guerin.
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bruinsfanatik says:
Don’t u think its possible that with the previous experience Gordon had with Providence that he might want to get some kid he already knows in exchange for Guerin??
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Jimmy Sparx says:
Let’s get ridiculous here……..
To Montreal: Guerin, Weight, Witt, Park, 1st rd pick(San Jose), 2nd rd pick, 3rd rd pick, and $$$$.
To Islanders: Higgins and Komisarek.
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The only way we get Nylander is if it is part of the salary dump. In that case, it could be Witt and Guerin to the Capitals for Nylander, a good prospect, and a first rounder. Guerin and the salary dump would equate to the first rounder, and Witt is worth a prospect. See though, everyone can speculate as much as they want. My words here are as pointless as everyone elses until we find out if the trade really goes down and what happens.
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Jimmy Sparx, that was the worst trade I have ever seen in my life. Higgins isnt worth more than a good prospect and a second round pick at best. Komisarek is worth a first and a prospect, but why would we give up all those players for them two?
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Sutton and Meyer are on the depth chart
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they are on the roster page yea, but off the depth chart.
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i think we are all missing the point here….if we get someone decent…how do we keep him here? We have traded away or lost our last four captins,even with a NTC!
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Um, so, just for a break in the action, what was everyone’s all time favorite Mike Comrie-toe-drag-move?
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Mike says:
CB…congrats on 1 mil hits!
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Steve K says:
Justin (388), I think it was a joke…
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Congrats Chris on 1,000,000 hits in one day. that is unbelievable! I think I provided about 350,000 of them tho!
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IM CRYING ALREADY GARTH SNOW!!!!! TELL US WHAT THE DEAL IS! ill do anything at this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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updated with a chippy non-update and a question at 6:00 pm…CB
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Fauxrumors says:
Who broke Campoli? Pretty much every mainstream media outlet. TSN and RDS both reported it long before you lame site. The fact that you were in an airport on not surfing the net does not mean someone you know wasn’t. Just because you heard it on your blackberry and not the net doesn’t mean you broke it!
IDIOT!
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brian, just read that too. Wonder what they would get in return?
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Thanks for the (non)update, at least it’s something.
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To Justin #388— Like I said ridiculous…lol.
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The Flyers have plenty of cap room, that is a false statement from Strickland.
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FauxRumors (# 399), do your homework. You have no idea who you’re insulting, do you? This isn’t some schmuck in suburban Philadelphia in his basement using the handle of a 3rd line schlep as his alter ego.
Thanks.
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Brooks Simpson says:
There is another blockbuster trade brewing, but a few things are holding up my being able to announce it yet. These include neither the teams nor the players having been decided upon yet. Details forthcoming when I have them.
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Strickland now saying Flyers… waiting to clear room under the cap.
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Don’t let the banhammer smack you too hard….
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Pitt won, so 3 points seperate 6-10….that puts us in the drivers seat as a seller. So we got that going for us.
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(399) Faux: That’s why I asked the question. I didn’t know. Thanks for answering my question on my lame idiotic blog you just happened to be on 30 seconds after I asked it…CB
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Well, Moose (it’s Twilight), With a name like FauxRumors you think this joke has a clue anyway? Go back to your basement and cry to yourself, troll.
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Nice job Brooks Simpson, or can we just call you BS.
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Philly? eehhh… idk, how the heck would they fit all that salary especially now that briere is back, … In all honesty, if they pull that trade off and happen to go deep in the playoffs, Paul Holmgren deserves the gm of the year IMO.
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faux….go home!
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I really wish people would show CB respect. He is awesome and does all of this for us fans. I for one really appreciate it. I am a die hard islanders fan and this is my favirote site!!!
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I’m sure 399 pissed off pretty much everyone, lets just let CB handle it.
Thanks again for the update, again even if its not breaking news, its still something to read, and still keeps me at the edge of my seat. Hope you’re stayin warm Cb.
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Guys, the Flyers have over 3 million in cap space. All contracts now are pro-rated making Guerin’s about 1.2 or so.
They have plenty of room. Strickland also thought that Pronger stepping on someone’s ankle last year got a much longer suspension then it deserved so since then I take nothing he says seriously.
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Philly is probably the tightest against the cap. That’s why they had to lose Metropolit and another just get Briere back form the inkury list. Jersey is a close second which is why Clemmonson is in the minors and Weeks is still with the Big Club.
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Well said 999
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i 2nd you 415..as a fan of this ng team liviout of state im still part of the action with this site!
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i reada nylander was a healthy scratch maybe its a 3 way trade Islanders, chi, and wash.
Maybe its to philly i know they want pronger and that will take lupul, one of there d guys and a pick. Guerin would take lupul’s spot.I wonder if its possible for us to get James Van Rymesdyke if we add witt in the deal.So something like Guerin, Witt, Park for Van rymesdyke and a 3rd and any salary dumps they want to get rid of
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Guerin to Flyer for Van Riemsdyk I hope!
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Good riddins to MC Toe Drag. He had a few good ones but give me 10 chances at something and I am bound to strike gold once or twice.
I am convinced nothing happens until tomorrow. I probably will hear it on NHL network on XM. Who would want to break a story on a Sunday anyway. You get more bang for the buck on a business day when everyone is working and looking for a story.
This long played out deal will probably be followed by another move shortly after. Garth is hammering away in a bunker right now. Make it happen Snowy!
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There is no way that philly has 3 mil in cap space.
I mean, I may be wrong, but i dont see it at all… any proof?
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not a cahnce that would be straight up. Wed have to add so much more
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I think CB has done a great job, he isn’t making things up he just reports facts which gives us Islander fans some insight into many situations that arise.
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Must be a three-way deal…I mean WTF would be holding up Guerin for a pick and/or prospect?
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jisles says:
I think this is a big trade and the isles are probably giving more up ie weight also. If this was just guerin for draft picks and prospects we would have known about it last night. You dont sit on that. So I am still going to say this is a big deal and the islanders are taking on a veterean player who is going to be a FA at the end of the year and are working out a contract extension. Just my sense. It is not a stretch to for the islnaders to bring back a veteran player who is in the prime because we would have sillinger playing right now. lets see what happens.
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if it was a 3 way i think wash chi isles would be teh best bet.
wash-guerin and idk
chi-nylander and idk
isles- pick or prospect
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yeah maybe weight is invovled some how
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Are lots of trades this hard. Or is it possible no deal was really made at all and snow is that smart!
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I dont think its a 3 way, i think its someething simple, and highly doubt us getting back anything more than a pick or prospect…
The wait is making this way more overblown than it should be..
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Post 399: Wow, what an angry post. Oh well, now there is one less blog for me to bother following.
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Philly lost Metropolit to Montreal on the Waiver wire just to make room for Briere coming off of the injured reserve list on Thursday. Jersey is super tight against the cap also which is why Clemmonson (who had a great year) was sent to the Minors when Brodeur came back.
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Clemmonson was sent down because Weeks has a 1 way contract and they did not want him to be claimed by another team.
That from Lou himself.
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john says:
I just pulled up the Isles offical web site and Bill Guerin’s photo on the front page was replaced with Kyle Okposo’s. That’s interesting.
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TIM says:
Isles fan 999 #414 i’m with you CB we got your back
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Cain says:
#435: Just noticed that myself too…
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Capitals Recall Jay Beagle from Hershey.
That should clear up why he was a scratch from the Hershey game. Another dead end rumor.
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(417) Clemmensen is in the minors becuase he didn’t have to clear waivers to go down because he was an emergency call up. Weekes would have had to clear to go down.
I would love to see Guerin bring back VanReimsdyke (spelling?) but I don’t think it will happen…not with just Billy anyway.
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been like that all day on nyi.com
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SinCityHockeyFan says:
ok common sense here… i firmly beleive if cb does know anything and its not supposed to be leaked cb cant break the story…. or he would most likely be cut out of the loop. I think cb has been dropping hints..
second you can trade a player claimed on waivers if its before the dead line…. if you pick up a player off waivers after the trade deadline that player could still be traded BUT he can not play for the team he was traded to until next season… this is referred to as the “Jeff Hamilton rule” remember him lol.
And its real easy to people to have hockey connections… think about it…. hockey players and execs have friends… siblings and they also grew up and went to school somewhere. I for instance grew up on long island.. and played hockey with quite a few people who played and still play in the N.H.L. wow i miss playing late night hockey at the rinx in hidden pond park.. made lots a great connections. I guess what im trying to say if you played ice hockey growing up and were quite good at it. you’d be amazed at how many hockey connections can be made. I have what may people would consider quite a few credible sources. only difference is friends don’t take advantage of the people they know so they can make themselves look good on message boards. So i highly doubt rich as any kind of first hand knowledge. I think hes just stirring the pot. and he’s getting a reaction from you guys.
if i had to venture a guess i be willing to guess that garth pulled guerin from the line up to force other gm’s hands hes been talking to.. so if hes talking to three teams for instance… you make them think a deal is real close… then it makes the other teams eaither sh*t or get off the pot.. or if it was a game of poker garth is calling.. so he can see what the other teams are holding. i also have a strong feeling cb is fully aware of garths plan… i think snow is alot shrewder than people give him credit for.
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Guerin for JVR not happening guys, not a chance..
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I’m not going to work till this gets done.
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I am sitll not ruling out the rangers. Sather wants to inject new blood and get rid of dead wood. The rangers want to make a push for Kovulchuk but they cant because of the cap they have to clear cap space. The rangers are like the yankees at trade deadlines. They give up whaterver they have to to make the postseason and Rangers with that massive payroll have to make it. Sather sees that slipping away and the rags cant score. He sees Guerin leading the worst team in the nhl in goals scored and knows he still has soemthing left if put between a playmaking centerman (Gomez). I beleive it is to the rangers for Redden and a pick. The islanders pick up another veteran dman. Redden is not a bad player. He is in a bad situation and he obviously cannot handle msg. Garth’s thinking is if I get Redden the isles will take on a 5 year contract. Which is basically what he gave streit. Assuming Redden gets his game back the islanders now have 2 solid vet dman and all but assures us of getting Tavares since there will be no need to draft Hedman. I would do it in a heartbeat.
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I just dont see how philly makes room for Guerin…
Im thinking that he’s not going there..
I may have to eat my hat, but i just dont see it happening..
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We are def going to eat a big salary if we trade him to philly
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Phil would be a great team to work out a trade. They are ranked 7th in terms of prospect talent in the NHL. Lots of top tier prospects to be had.
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seriously philly doesn’t have room for a bag of pucks under their cap…
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Ron from Lindenhurst says:
*INSIDER UPDATE!!!*
Guerin heading to the All American Hamburger in Massapequa for what could be his last meal on Long Island -
fauxrumors #399, good thing u are an internet dope, cause if you made your statement in front of a 1/2 dozen of these blogger you would be pickin your teeth up off the floor….JMO
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i hope garth is talking to teams about his other players also.
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When Redden played in Ottawa, he was usually their best d-man( on offence and defence). Last season that seemed to change. Lack of confidence, change of coaches, who knows. He isn’t the same player he was 5 yrs. ago. Don’t think you can blame MSG.
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If you go to NHL numbers you will see that the Flyers have plenty of cap room seeing that Guerin’s pro rated salary is about 1.2 mill or so.
Enough with the Philly is making room business. He COULD be going there, but it isn’t stalling because they need to make cap space.
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Mary on 411 … So long as you call.
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Now we’re talking. All American is good stuff.
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Isles316 – the 3 million it says they have in cap room is for the full year salary amounts, not what is left. so guerins number for that site would be 4.5 million. so they do need to make cap room. plus, that site is not 100% accurate. no sites are.
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It appears that Philly has 57 grand of cap space. Matter of fact Montreal, Rangers, and the Capitals would all have to move bodies around in order to absorb the remaining Guerin contract.
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Go to that link from hockeybuzz with salary numbers on it.. Thats been updated as of today, on nhl numbers briere is still on ltir! so he’s not going to philly unless they clear cap space! -
I’m sure a trade with any of the teams we’ve been talking about will require the Isles taking back a player/salary.
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I’m way past worrying about Guerin’s going. He’s gone, one way or another, and the only question is the assets gained in return. Now, as to Witt and Weight, and anyone else … that’s more interesting. How would have thought Hilbert would be on CB’s list of attractive targets?
After this season Snow and Gordon will have to face the fact that they have built the team they wanted, and we should not hear anything more about past mistakes … although I guess we’ll always hear about DiPietro’s contract.
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Lenny says:
Guerin for Alzner
only kidding, but imagine? mmmm
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Chris M says:
I’m officially preparing myself to be let down. It’s the Islanders and they always let me down. Why should today be any different. We take one step forward and two steps back. Looking forward to CB’s comments on the Gordon vs Vets controversy. This cannot be good for our chances of signing FA’s.
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agreed with Chris M, lets all close our eyes next time we hit refresh and hope that the trade we see doesnt let us down like it most likely will…
sigh.. well it was fun for like 5 minutes, then it just got annoying..
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Post #460… and Kevin Fitz
Guerins pro rated salary of 1,207,316 based on 22 remaining games for the Flyers (which now they have less I believe) fits under the 3 mill left on nhl numbers and 1,272,000 on the other link.
The Flyers have room.
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According to XM Radio the Bruins just acquired pronger. I would assume that rules them out.
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i’m expecting the Isles to get screwed out of this one. it sounds like a comlicated 3 way deal and all we’re going to get out of this is a few picks in ’09 and ’10
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I am not gonna argue this. They do not have the cap space right now. And remaining salary is based on days not games.
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Guerin to the rangers or Pens. Watch. The best fit for Guerin is Pitt. He would score alot of goals playing along side crosby and give that team a jolt of vet leadership and energy.
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#467 Why is Glen Metropolit, who was playing for the Flyers last week,a member of the Montreal Canadiens?
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is anyone else thinking snow made this whole thing up to generate interest for guerin?
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I believe you Kevin, and I’m approximating everything but I don’t see anywhere how they don’t is all I’m saying.
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Philly waived him to make cap room for Brier;s return
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Shawn33 says:
Bob, They put him on waivers and the habs took him.
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nhl numbers is not updated!!!
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Ron #451 – Funny! Maybe we can get News 12 on the story and follow Guerin’s white Bronco/Escalade down Sunrise Hway and give us updates
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ary no details given though. says:
three way deal in the works involving isles montreal and calgary no details given though.
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For all the fans EXPECTING to be let down, let’s remember how most of us lauded the Smyth trade at the time, as did most of the hockey world. For the most part, with the exception of the Zednik move, Garth has made sound moves…
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whats ur source 479?
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479, source?
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479 not passing the “smell” test
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Akeem:
I agree that Garth has made solid moves, I’m not disputing that.. I’m just saying, let’s be realistic.. Billy G is not what he used to be, I dont think he will bring in the return acceptable enough to be considered a great trade,IMO a great trade would be getting a 1st rd pick for BG.. add in a prospect ill say GS fleeced the opposing gm.
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Breaking News – Guerin just bought a cheesteak at Subway. No doubt this means he’s going to Philly
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Maybe we should take hilbert outta the game and martinek and then start a bidding war for them!!!
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479′s source is some guy named RICH lol
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ckac730 sport in montreal radio station web site
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@487
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LMFAO @ Rob and TimQ
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Akeem, I guess you’re right about Zednik( I think he cost a second round pick( too much)), but he was one of the team’s best forwards in that brief playoff series even though he didn’t dress for a couple of games. That’s about all you can realistically hope for in a rental player.
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I think if we get Rob’s joke, that means we’ve been on here we too long eh guys?
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My wife just served me with divorce papers on grounds of sitting in front of a computer for more than 24 hours without any inkling of the so called trade I have been telling her about since last night.
I will argue it was only 23 hours and 59 minutes.
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My source tells me that Guerin is insisting that unlimited pierogies are included in his deal to Pittsburgh. No pierogies…no deal
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@493
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Why can’t we just get Matt Cooke and a pick and call it a day?
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Bobby #468, any other confirmation of Pronger going to the Bruins?
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strickland is reporting its to the flyers.
supposivly he’s close w/ guerin from st. louis dayswho knows….
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world of warcraft is the ultimate divorce!
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Why is it that whenever some random guy posts a rumor there is never any source, formal introduction, or even grammatical input? It’s always as if they’re running around and feel obligated to stop on the computer to write something.
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Scott says:
the hold up is that Guerin will be named the new GM of the Islanders so Snow can come out of retirement. jk
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The report was Pronger to the Bruins for Mark Stuart, Joe Colbourne and a 1st in ’10
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well guys, I can tell you one thing, its not for Higgins. As I’ve said on CB’s post about Higgins a week or so ago, I’m friends with Chris’s younger brother and just talked to him. I didn’t ask for anything other then if Chris was heading this way and the answer was no
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There is no truth in the Pronger trade anywhere…let alone why anyone would believe XM radio BS over TSN or NHL or anything else…
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Danny,
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Im curious on both of the other posts about Pronger to Beantown and the 3 way with nyi and mtl and whoever else …
anyone confirm or give more details?
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updated with my latest guess and a response to something a few of you have written here…CB
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B.P. says:
Come on Botts, give it up. You know.
:p
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The rumor of Pronger was from 3 days ago. Not a bad trade but there is not enough cap room for an old washed up defenseman when there are young talented kids to sign next year!
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either Wash or philly have some nice prospects so either would be good
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Wow! CB bucking the trend! Does that make you an “unreliable media type”???
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CB;
Do you have a count on how many hits this blog has generated today?
Looks like all eyes are on you to break this.
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The view is great my seats are in the second row so I get a good view of the whole ice – I have basic internet on my blackberry I just use it for aim and google as for WiFi I don’t know
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The longer this goes on I think MTL is not the team. Guerin does not want to move far away from his family. This is why it has to be a team very close to LI. ie rangers, philly.
For those who are saying Garth is making this up to spur interest are wrong. You dont do that because you risk breaking relationships with other gns around the league. GM’s need strong relationships with each other so that they can work out future deals and not blackballed by other GMS if you try silly stunts. Also, if Garth was making it up to drive interest he is all but stuck with Guerin because if no one bites he will not be able to trade him and he cant put him back in the lineup. After the article in todays newsday Billy is getting traded 100%. there is a legitimate deal in the works and we will just have to wait and see what it is.
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Danny,
I was just kidding, bro. As if you were sitting in 306 right now… -
Good call CB
but…
to quote Sean Connery from celebrity jeopardy.. Until i know for sure..
“I’ll play your game you rogue”
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This is just plain bizarre. It is like grammar school all over again trying to play guessing games. Hopefully we will know soon.
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Changed “in” to “from” to avoid further confusion.
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LIke i posted earlier this is for a vet player with a contract coming back in return. Scotty Upshall? Gagne? Hartnell? I dont understand why this would take so long just for draft picks and prospects. WTF. A big player is coming back.
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I’m sure when and if something does happen, Chris will get it to us quickly as possible.
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once theres 10″ on the ground we will hear breaking news
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I just hope the actual information is as good as the build up to it. This has certainly been wildly entertaining!
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maybe briere? cant see gagne upshall or hartnell being moved, but they might not like how danny briere fits on the team now.
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Im SURE we will all have a big laugh about this at IslandersPointBlank night next week! haha
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Didnt CB just say wsh or am i mistaken?
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Briere might not be perfect, but he would look sweet in an Islanders uni.
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It all gets more and more strange…I can tell you out here on the West Coast…this is quite entertaining.
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Well if u think about this…what Philly player will be willing to move his NTC to go to the last place Isles when the Flyers have a chance at the Cup??
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dmen77 says:
Maybe the deal is to Philly and Gagne is coming our way.
The holdup is over Gagne’s birthday celebration. His birthdate is 2/29, leap day. Snow and Holmgren are arguing when Gagne should be celebrating it.
Snow argued it should have been last night and he can be traded today. Holmgren is arguing his celebration should be today and he cannot trade him on his “birthday”.
The deal will probably go down at midnight.
LOL
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You know what would be terrible… If the trade didn’t go down tonight and I got snowed out of work tomorrow, so we could do this all again tomorrow… Oh who am I kidding that would be awesome!
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PFR says:
Wont the Flyers need to move a player to free up cap space if they bring in Guerin? Maybe the hold up is that Philly cant find a team to dump salary on.
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LMAO @ Kevin
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LMAO #530 and 531!!! Thanks!
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wow #515.. while some things you bring up are valid… but wow dude what world do you live in.. gm’s dont do stunts.. they dont try to maximize interest in their assets to get the best return.. wow dude and i bet you believe every hand of poker is won by the person with the best hand. and again think of the smith trade… the islanders trader a number 1 pick in a draft not considered as deep as 08 and 09… traded neilson and omarra… the islanders didnt think either player would amount to didly squat. so if garth told edmontons gm yeah we think both o’marra and neilson suck. i think not. you are clueless when it comes to how the game is played. the problem is most people think because they participate fantasy hockey leagues… just because some of us are into the fantasy hockey leagues don’t make you a GM.
Great sight CB congrads on providing a quality place for intelligent hockey talk… even the ones who TALK LOUD but SAY NOTHING.. those are always good for a few laughs.. so cb how hard to you laugh at some of these posts mine included.
Last note for people who personally attack CB. while hes more then capable of defending himself i only offer this… think about it this way.. CB is not going to your web sights to rip you apart for providing a free alternative place for islanders fans to post and get great info.
coming here to post negative comments that are not warranted about CB is as offensive as coming over to someones home and verbally berating them in their own house.
I guess some people were not brought up correctly, and have no etiquette.
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Dump salary on?? How about, oh I don’t knowww, maybe the ISLANDERS!!!
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I may as well just say it.
This trade is not going to break today.
(Now watch it announced in the next 15 minutes)
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I am pondering whether to call in or not. I gotta get on the road at 6am and there is suppossed to be a foot of snow on the ground by then. sounds like I will be doing this all day tommorrow.
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GAHHH I just missed “a day in the life of mike green” on the NHL network because of this damn website!!!
CURSE YOU GARTH SNOW CURSE YOU!!!
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philly has no chance at the cup with or with or without are last captain and his vet buddies
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528…write the names of possible destinations on a bunch of tennis balls…throw them on your roof…whichever hits the ground first is the destination. THIS WILL HAVE MORE ACCURACY!!!!……
Bruinsfanatik…Chiarelli said in an interview with the Boston herald that he will worry about next year next year, right now, his job is to win a cup. That would lead me to believe he will go after whomever he believes will help attain this goal. -
Garth, this wait better be worth it.
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If it is Philly, they’ll probably flip him for Brayden Coburn II on Wednesday.
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eklund on hockey buzz .com reportts possible trade involving montreal and calgary. same day as gueringate. hmmm….
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i can not imagine why this is taking so long.
We are not brokering a peace plan for the entire planet.Thank you to the islanders for keeping me wrapped up in this fiasco.
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Bill Guerin has been traded to the Hartford Whalers for a Pat Verbeek jersey and the right to use ‘Brass Bonanza’ as our goal song.
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HAHAHA @545 perhaps a peace plan will be needed if garth doesnt let us know what the hell is going on soon..
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#535, I am not saying that gms dont maximize thier assets but you dont pull a stunt like taking Guerin out of the lineup. If gms are as shrewd as you say they are would you fall for it? I sure wouldn’t news would get out in heartbeat that Garth has nothing and now Garth is holding the bag. And gms who do try to play silly games usually dont last that long in this league. BTW ryan smythe was an UFA and he and edm could not reach an agreement. Snow offered prospects and draft picks there was nothing shady about that.
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garth trades the isles for the capitals! the things i’d do to 1 day see ovechkin in isles uniform! cant we dream
I just hope we can draft someone who shows up every night and loves the game of hockey like ovechkin.Anyone read that saga with don cherry ripping ovechkin when he scores. Boudreau or however caps coaches name is spelt fired back at Don cherry!
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isles22 says:
I’ll say it.
The Bill Guerin trade is turning into Kirk Muller 2 electric buggaloo.
This is a debacle. Either someone is balking at coming here (Nylander?) or now Guerin, the trade fallen through and at odds with the coach is being asked to stay away for the team.
THIS IS STAGE THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Moose
Where have you been!?!?!
We already had a discussion of whether BG would be going to the whalers to play WITH pat verbeek or Ron Francis, cmon man where’ve you been!!! -
SinCity, it appears you’re new to the blog. Thae VAST majority of people who read and post on this blog love CB and all he does for Islander hockey. There aren’t too many ad hominem attacks on CB. Anyhting negative people say, it’s just disagreeing with his opinions, which, I believe, CB encourages…
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Is Fedorov still with Anna? Let’s get them. I miss Hilary.
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AJ says:
Eklund is reporting that Guerin has been traded to the Gaza Strip for 10 kassam rockets.
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Someone may or not be traded today or tomorrow although no one knows for sure.
I, however, have decided to trade Guerin on my NHL 09 game. However, as my season’s already over on NHK 2K9, Guerin (and Campoli and Comrie) stayed with me to the victorious end.
Who will be the next captain?
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Islebethere4u says:
Don’t sweat it CB, you know who your fans are. Silly talk is just that. BTW, great response to this Billy G saga. It seems no one is losing interest just yet. Keep the faith, and keep it going!!!
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Mike says:
this is getting ridiculous… can they just say what this trade is already and if Snow is just messing with everyone he better hope it works
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Update: Guerin for Obama trade confirmed (see, it was Washington!).
Obama directs that FMIV give up uniform number 44, then diverts stimulus money to Lighthouse project, deeming it “shovel ready.”
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Outside says:
No official Guerin news tonight
An Islanders official just informed me the team plans no announcements tonight. Nor is there a timeline in which to expect a future announcement. In other words, everything is “status limbo.”
If I get more later, I’ll post it here first.
Posted by Greg Logan on March 1, 2009 7:32 PM
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Asitiswhenitwas says:
Next Cap: Park?
Cheers on the fantastic work CB.
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You guys gotta understand. Snow is recieving a bunch of offers right now. Im sure everytime hes ready to close a deal, another is coming in on his desk. Give the guy some time to make the best possible deal. Im sure Guerin made his list on where he will sign-off to go. Which snow is probably negotiating the best possible trades. Give it time. Their is no rush! We arent fighting for a playoff spot, here. Just let him do his job.
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Oh you’ve got to be kidding me
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CB…great job sticking with this!
so lets say the trade falls through do we keep running guerin out there for the last 20 games or do we just waive him, bench him
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Bill Guerin was traded to the Yankees for A-Roid and Jeter.
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Well said #561
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In completely unrelated sports news…
Did anyone else see the suit rick pitino was wearing tonight???
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Ok that it, I’m not going to refresh now for at least 10 min. I’ll show you…
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See I knew it….it’s Gagne’s birthday. Nothing will be announced tonight.
Snow just told Holmgren if Simon has too much to drink tonight and cannot play tomorrow night, the deal is off.
It’s all in Gagne’s hands now.
LOL
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Will says:
Washingtion would be a good fit for Guerin and if we take back a guy like Nylander (awful contract with 8.5 M over the next 2), that will maximize what comes along with Nylander. A player like Fleischmann or possibly Alzner if we throw a draft pick back to Wash
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Logan just posted, there will be no announcemnnt tonight or have one planned for the future,good night
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gary says:
i think you know who shot Kennedy, fess up Greg….
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@570
Hey, i’m the resident Will here, you confused me into thinking I wrote something i didnt, I demand a name change!!!
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updated, with my take…CB
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Spencer says:
This team is going to be the death of me!!!!!!
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lol my bad although I assume your joking, but I just noticed that too so I’ve added something to it to avoid confusion
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honestly uve ALL BEEN TRICKED! Snow is using this hyped up interest in the islanders to announce his TRUE intentions to the hockey world….HES COMING BACK OUT OF RETIREMENT to compete with DP and the others for the starting gig…the guerin stuff was all an excuse to get everyone looking our direction on LI…
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Islesphan25 says:
It won’t be for Gagne… He got hurt today against the Devils…..Brian R. slapshot off the hand..look bad..
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Sean says:
If Garth Snow is creating a slight bidding war I’m going to be very impressed.
I heard Philly wants to move Dan Briere. He is 2 years into an 8 year deal paying him $52 mil. If we trade Billy for him (plus other draft picks/prospects in the deal) it would be awesome. This would allow Philly a little more wiggle under the cap because they need another defenseman. Just a hope. Bad news is he might win us a few games and take us out of the bottom of the league.
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Thanks Cris, Good night all.
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In light of Logans recent post I am now at the “uh oh stage”. No news tonight?!this deal broke down and now we will be lucky to get a bag of pucks for Guerin. This sounds like the player coming back wanted no part of the islanders. Snow has really screwed this up. What is going on.
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@576
Completely Joking But thanks!
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unreal…
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JayK says:
In the Islanders’ defense, they never said they had a trade. WE said there was a trade. They clearly had something cooking for Guerin, and didn’t want to risk injury (which given that he’s an Islander and had not been hurt already, he was probably destined). So they took him off the ice. Really, as far as the Islanders, that’s really all that happened. We are the ones who turned this into a frenzy.
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What the heck, it must have been a premature pulling from the game Garth thought he had a deal in principal and the other side must have spit the bit or the deal was contingent on Guerin signing an extension. Will see who plays tomorrow night or just shows up.
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when will the pain end
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Well I think our prediction of disappointment was minorly correct eh? haha
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ok im pissed off so much….guys we will see guerin in action this week. maybe draft day will bring better news
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NYICHAMP39 says:
You have got to be kidding me. This franchise and this team have driven me crazy for about ten years now. This is just another one of the ridiculous situations that only the Islanders franchise could create.
I will always love my isles but i wouldnt disagree with anyone right now who says that this organization is a joke. So sad.
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That’s realy blows… I guess puting Logang’s and CB info together I would say BG has been kicked off the team like Derek Morris of Phoenix. Unreal… Isles turned into zoo zgain? Please, don’t let it happaned, Allmighty.
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584..sorry dont agree. we created nothing the islanders pulled him, made no “official annoucement” they created this mess we are just trying to figure it out.
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AB30 says:
I have been sitting around all day since watching the Devils telecast and nothing has changed with Guerin. Could there be a Multi-team trade? Maybe thats why its taking such a long time.
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If Guerin was pulled out of the lineup with no real trade in the works then Garth should be fired immediatley by Wang. That is BUSHLEAGE BULL. Now Guerin has absolutely no VALUE whatsoever. if there is no trade how can Guerin come back when the coach said guerin leaving was “inevitable.” How can you put Guerin back in the lineup? Just insane and total Bush. Bobbles at it again. shame
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So much for that.
I suppose what ever he had going on just fell through or he’s just beginning to get offers.
Oh well.
two and a half more days.
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#594. You have to understand, trades fall through sometimes.
“You guys gotta understand. Snow is recieving a bunch of offers right now. Im sure everytime hes ready to close a deal, another is coming in on his desk. Give the guy some time to make the best possible deal. Im sure Guerin made his list on where he will sign-off to go. Which snow is probably negotiating the best possible trades. Give it time. Their is no rush! We arent fighting for a playoff spot, here. Just let him do his job.” -My Post Earlier.
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Stevie10703 says:
I hope that Wayne Gretzky didn’t copywrite this but, 3 words:
Mickey Mouse Operation
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Steve S says:
No doubt, Stevie. This is the most pathetic organization in all of sports. So sad what this franchise has become.
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itss hard to root for this team when they do this
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That is it! Snow doesn’t have the balls to give more information. What a crock.
I think us diehards deserve better, don’t you? Trade or no trade, we deserve an explanation!
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upstatenyifan says:
Was someone waiting for Kate Murray to pull the trigger on this deal?
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If it’s Philly may be they still need to make some moves to accommodate Billy G.
There’s still plenty of time to work a deal. The sky isn’t falling…. yet.
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Does this stuff happen with any other franchise in sports?
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597 i agree that snow might be getting some offers, is he being knocked over with them not so sure. What can the market bring back for brendan witt and maybe a trent hunter. the way bergenheim is playing right now he might be the best player we have available.
Regardless i think Snow tried to create a market, and it failed. If this was a “ploy” i am not sure how his fellow GM’s will react to this.
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Doug F. says:
The deal fell through. Whoever was coming to the Islanders would rather play in the KHL…
What a joke!!!
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lol, this is so bizarre. no trade, unbelievable.
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come on guys lighten up…
whens the last time our isles got some recognition??
This is waht the trade deadline is all about, it’s a cat and mouse game…
dont say that “This is the worst orginization in all of sports” Thats BS
Be happy we have a team and shut your mouth! I’d rather have to deal with this than having to watch my team move to kc or hamilton or winnepeg or whatever..
Deal with it!
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Pete DeBenedetto says:
maybe this is guerin’s way of saying “I’m not playing for Gordon anymore.
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the “mystery team” probably backed out of the deal. It’s that simple.
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if there is no real trade, wonder what howie and bill say in regards to this tomorrow night.
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Matt says:
Obviously this fell through. Sucks because what probably happened was the other team coming to their senses which will pretty much destroy Guerins value. You almost get the feeling it was going to be a decent deal for some reason. If this did happen Snow is going to be in a horrible position with Gordon’s quotes. What the heck is he going to do if he doesn’t get traded? Obviously the rest of the league is going to be very aware of this and know we have to dump him, hence destroying his value. In other words we are screwed which is something as an Islanders fan I should be used to but for some reason never gets any easier.
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All you crying need to get a life. You are bashing the team because a deal fell through??????? You guys are pathetic. You guys are the ones who should look in the mirror. For every 1 passionate islander fan there are 10 Idiot ones as the blog has clearly exposed
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thanks Chris, it has been nice reading the updates all and just know that there are plenty of Islanders fans here still that won’t pull ths “I have sources ” garbage and wont disrespect you or other fans by blasting your blog in this comments section. Or think that they are owed an explination on why it hasn’t or never will go down (i guess you can’t please everybody) Thank you for your dedication
the ‘Nut
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So at least we know there are 11 Islander fans!
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or maybe Weight didnt pass a phsycial
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My only question: Now what happens? Does Billy play tomorrow?
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really happy b/c they think the snowstorm will force the game to be PPD so they wont have to air it?, and not have to show 500 ppl in the stands who were nuts enough to go out in a foot of snow?
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doc says:
Please. The Islanders never announced they had a trade. They did the right thing and pulled a player from the ice… and maybe at the request of the “OTHER” team.
Things fall through.
Melky Cabrera was traded for Mike Cameron… he’s still playing for the Yankees.
It happens. Deals fall through. Guerin would be welcomed back I’m sure, if the deal colapses completely. Just my opinion.
DOC
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CB – Nice gratuitous Ice Girl pic on the trade blog. And I thought you only used those goodies on game nights!
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Bri on Li says:
CB, what would happen if no deal is found? Does Bill sit the year out? If the deal falls through what are the choices of Mr. Snow? Does he look for a last minute replacement and hope the Captain says ok? Does Bill sit for the rest of the year? Had this kind of situation happened while you were an inside man?
One last thing: What do you need to see happen for you to keep this blog alive until we win a Cup? You keep hinting at this blog possibly being a one shot deal. Why, and what can we loyal (read: addicted) readers do to convince you to keep on keepin’ on?
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Will – 608
I will always be an Islanders fan. But you are crazy if you think that we should just sit around at take the crap that has come out of this organization in the past 10 years. Im sorry I have to totally disagree with you. I dont think anyone should just “be happy that we have a team” and shut up. If we think this team is run like crap then we should talk about it like we do on this blog…then maybe things will change.
Voicing disapproval is the only way to see what you want fixed actually getting done.
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jonw says:
Love to see people calling themselves diehards then blasting the orginzation in the same sentence . looks like the deal fell thru from the other side with no fault to the Islanders. How about giving them credit for having enough respect for Bill G and the other team/s involved by pulling him early and keeping it as hush as its been. Little respect for Garth too fry trying to better the team rather then just giving Bill G his old friend just a home and a good pacheck to finish his career with.
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Sick and tired of everyone saying this is a PR stunt and is all the fault of the Islanders if the deal falls through.
Pathetic.
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isles72 says:
I think a deal is in place but for cap reasons the other team might want to wait til wed so that less salary is on their books
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Vukota 613
Its frustration dude. I dont think you would disagree with that fact that this organization handles about 75% of its operations in the complete wrong way. Especially within the past three years. Neil smith firing, lafontaine quitting shortly after, Garth snow as GM, the Nolan firing, the constant exposure of lockeroom and organizational fueding and now this Guerin trade. Its a freaking circus. Get a grip on reality.
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@623
I completely agree that we should be allowed to voice our disaproval and have nothing wrong with that especially those who pay money to see these games..
My issue is the fact that because the guy is scratched and no reason is given people say that this is “the worst orginization in all of sports” thats rediculous.. this is not the worst orginization in all of sports.. thats what i was saying shut up too..
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Well, I’m off to go cry. Looks like that late second round pick that we might have gotten doesn’t want to sign here. Or was it Nylander? Or Higgins? I forget. Anyway, oh well.
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point well taken will. I would agree with you there too. The worst organization in all of sports in my opinion through last year was the new york knicks haha NEW YORK REPRESENT!!
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I just want to know what team the trade was with and why it crashed.
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I’m not the one who needs a grip on reality. I never said the Isles didn’t mess things up, my beef is with people crying because they wasted their whole day waiting for a trade that never happend. So they bash the Isles because the little babies didn’t get what they wanted. Yet I’m the one who needs a reality check. Ok….
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season tix holder says:
typical islanders. now we’ve alienated guerin who will never play again for us. the other teams now know this so we’ll be lucky to get a few pucks and a roll of tape for him. Get real folks, no FA coming our way until we get a lighthouse committment, the “kids” grow up and show they can play or the team moves to KC.
Given the situation the Isles & Gordon are doing the right thing but Guerin deserves respect and another shot at the cup if thats what he wants. He was no Kirk Muller.
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Youth Isle says:
On the Islanders site under recent news they are advertising breaking news alerts on your mobile phone like something is coming in the near future.
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For the first time in over 10 years they are rebuilding the right way and people are still complaining. Some people just feel they need to complain all the time. It’s old already…..
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I don’t care anymore. Was there a trade or not but why would Isles official website removed Billy’s picture off the main banner. It was tgere just before Buffalo game…
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I just can’t believe how much this teams own fan base is down on it. Its not bad enough that the team and organization are ridiculed and disrespected by the fans of other teams but the venom I’ve been reading about this trade thing from Islander “fans” borders on the disturbing. What makes any of you nay sayers think that if it did indeed fall through that it was Snow’s fault? NO ONE – not the Islanders, not the other team, not Guerin – has said ANYTHING so how do come to that conclusion? I know this team has been down for a while but geez. Why don’t we leave the Islander bashing to someone else.
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Will ~628, thank you. I was thinking the same thing. Fans of half of the teams in professional sports think that about their franchise.
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Sometimes you guys have to realize that this is the internet.
There are trolls. There has been a troll on this site for the last two days pumping out tons of BS.
Take the complaining with a grain of salt and the world doesn’t hinge on what some loser says on the internet.
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CB needs for all the knuckleheads to abide by the rules and he probably needs a sponsor to throw him some guaranteed dough so he can tell his wife and kids that there is a reason he stays up all night on the weekend before trade deadline staring at his blackberry. A day like today in terms of hits and posts goes a long way to his sales pitch in the off season to possible sponsors/advertisers or whatever makes money in the virtual world.
Maybe no news is good news. I can’t say this surprises me. I’m sure there will be moves come Wednesday and plenty to chat about.
Let’s see how the team plays against a struggling Colorado team. Reaction to Smyth? (if he is there)? Go Isles.
Danis starts? I can’t see why not…Can you? Bergy on the PP? Why not?
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@636
I saw that as well, however, usually if something was too happen, the player would completely be taken off of the roster page… last i checked he’s still there…
Until he is taken off the roster page i wouldnt worry about the banner..
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BringtheReign says:
Well Billy’s off the Islanders front page, now Kyle runs it. Something def has to go down
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I get it that people are down on the franchise. They haven’t won anything in forever and let’s face it, there always seems to be a dark cloud over the franchise.
Vukota is right though, this is the first time that I remember the team doing and commiting to a true rebuild and they ARENT blowing smoke up our rears. They are telling the truth.
Im this trade fell through on the other teams behalf.
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The sad thing is since all those other sites used point blank as a source all the trolls and idiots have come over here and polluted what was once a nice quiet site for the die hards. CB hope you can weed them all out. Keep up the good work. The REAL fans appreciate it.
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OK…so the deal is held-up or lost. Appears that it’s with *the other team*. No worries. More than half of the available *Eastern Conference teams* have potential Cap/contract related issues…probably where the problem is. Can’t blame them for sitting out Guerin…he and Witt are the only real commodities that will bring back the highest return. the Isles. Tick-tock-tick-tick-tock. Was fun checking in on progress throughout the day. Could be worse. We could be waiting for Sean Avery to come save us (Rangers) or we could be just out of a play-off spot and looking to dump Ryan Smyth’s bloated salary (Avalanche).
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No one should be annoyed at the Islanders…they did nothing wrong. If Guerin plays yesterday…whether there was a trade on the table or not, and he got hurt…everyone would kill them then. Therefore it was the right move. The Isles never said there was a trade…Guerin was supposedly quiet the entire time. And NO ONE knew anything. Just look at the last 24 hours. There could be so many reasons why there isn’t going to be any news tonight. Maybe another team wants one more day. Maybe Snow has multiple offers and wants to go through all of them one more time. Maybe the deal did indeed fall through for some reason. Well…so be it. I know everyone is upset cause we’ve been watching this all day. But no one should be killing Snow or the Isles organization.
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Isles 316- As always got my back. Much appreciated brother
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Adam M. says:
CB,
“There is no trade” or there will BE no trade?
Have to clarify. =P
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NYIChamp (623): I agree that as fans we have a right to voice our disapproval of team actions, but how can you fairly voice your disapproval about a situation in which you have absolutely NO information? Not very fair in my mind.
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Booten says:
just throwing this out there but i went to iceworks today around 5 to pick up a streit jersey and there were at least 3 police cars with officers outside the entrance talking. Anyone know what was up?
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Hey Pete, Im with you on (637). Some go so overboard on the drama its unreal… like if we dont get some 2nd round pick and a prospect that means (insert 34985734987529 complaints about it being Garths fault, Wangs fault, NVMCs fault, etc etc etc etc etc.) The only other fanbase Ive ever seen that bashes its own team as much as the Isles do is Toronto! What does that say?
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By the way…I’m still pretty sure Guerin will be traded before the 4th. So why are we worrying?
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stopthepain says:
Here’s the problem with what went (or didn’t go) down. It’s all about the way it was handled by the organization. If there was no trade actually in place, why pull Guerin before the game? That is what created the speculation and excitement among the fan base. It’s amateur hour, or amateur decade…but who’s counting?
CB – it’s events like those that occurred over the past few days that give the fans pause about the eventual success of the rebuild. If they can’t handle the everyday events for a professional organization (invite everyone to Iceworks and have the wifi go down; create excitement among the fanbase by holding Guerin out and then have nothing occur, etc…), why should the fans have faith in the rebuild.
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Refhater99 says:
If I had two cents to bet these days I’d say that Guerin rejected the trade. I can’t imagine Snowball being that picky about what he gets in return. The fans however should be picky. Because draft picks don’t impress me anymore. This team needs players who can contribute now, not five years from now. Flash Gordon is not impressing me either by the way he somewhat alienates certain veterans. No quality veteran will want to sign here if they think the coach will put unproven talent ahead of paid and proven stars.
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@ Booten
There are always cops around there as its a popular meeting spot for catching speeders on the road. They sometimes go in for coffee as well. I always used to wonder when I went in there but its been going on for a few years now. People just love to speed on that road lol.
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Does anyone really think Guerin won’t be traded before the deadline?
We’re getting something out of this, it’s fairly obvious.
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This ain’t the first time you are gonna see a trade fall apart in the next few days.
It’s a seller’s market and prices are high. You’re gonna see a lot of false alarms.
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Lawrence Teller says:
A POSITIVE SIGN?
According to http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/03/01/islanders_guerin/ – its the Islanders who slowed this process as they have more than one interested party.
Interesting thought – Garth Snow, SUPERGENIUS?
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AZS says:
A little perspective people …
a) We don’t know why this trade fell through – why are we assuming it was Snow’s fault?
b) We’re assuming the Islanders we’re getting some tremendous prospect back when it could have really not been much at all
c) There could be another deal in the works for Guerin (who could have said “no thanks” to the 1st “Trade”)
If this would-be-trade falling through ruined your weekend then you need some perspective on life …this was fun and I was hoping (and still am) that he’ll be dealt, but let’s all step in from the ledge and wait to hear an explanation or see what happens before the deadline ends …keep the windows open for ledge jumping if we pass on Tavares or don’t get the Lighthouse done …
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There is probably a bidding war.
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I know we are all used to being let down in the most painful of ways.
I get it. It has been tough to be a fan of this team. We have been through it more than any other team in sports. Hell, even the Clippers won a playoff series 2 seasons ago.
We have a good thing here with Garth Snow. The guy is smart and he is sticking to this plan. Let’s give him more than 3/4 of a season during a rebuild to throw him under the bus too.
We actually have a coach that says what he thinks, doesnt BS anyone and sticks to his guns and most of the young players have gotten better this season. Even Tambs had a good game last night doing little things that made him affective and useful without touching the score sheet.
Come on guys, get behind this thing. We can all complain and whine but if we get behind and it turns out the way we all hope it does, how great will that be?
What fanbase deserves it more? Hang in everyone, good things are coming in time.
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Not sure if it matters much if we trade him today or by Wed, truth is that we played well on Sat night without him and the guys that should be getting the playing time (Bergy) did and performed well. It sucks a deal hasn’t been announced yet but it’s not the end of the world that people have been jumping up and down about.
CB – great job on all this stuff. Appreciate your honesty and forthrightness. (is that a word??)
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Patience people. Garth has proven he’s no dummy. I’m sure their is a good reason nothing happened today(at least nothing we know about.) Nobody is embarrassing anybody. Guerin is definately not Muller, thank god. Probably something out of Garth’s hands anyway. Just chill. We’ve got 3 more days to do the deals.
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bidding war,if we are lucky,
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#664, The Habs, Sabres and Flyers all DO NOT HAVE a second Rounder. We may steal a first out of this.
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We are in such a great cap position to take on some high priced pending UFA from other teams, hope garth is looking into that. We take their high priced player for a couple of weeks + 2nd or 3rd rounder for our 5th or 6th rounder
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Sounds to me like as soon as word got out that Guerin was pulled from the line up last night Snow’s phone started ringing off the hook.
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This situation is very typical for Isles. Forget it then. Billy played rather crappy sins Doug went down anyway, so if he isn’t in a line up, who cares. Go-Go is doing his job better than I expected, lately… Bergy and Sim are completely new players since sitting out. McAmmond is a poor man Silly but not bad on face-off, s what else can we ask for? All I want is someone to put two-three hits on Smyth tomorrow, so i can see his smashed crying face glued to Colli glass on a permanent display. Let’s get two tomorrow, boys. Go Isles.
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1st rounder would be a steal for rent a ——
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Isle Be Damned says:
What a strange situation this is. What a strange organization we root for.
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mike says:
This Franchise has become such a JOKE it is really sad.Leave it to the Isles to turn a simple trade into ANOTHER MESS!
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So let me get this straight once AGAIN for you pessimistic types; The islanders pulled guerin from pregame, reports this morning was guerin was very happy and accepted, the isles didnt leak ANY information (wow, what novelty, not leaking information as opposed to airing dirty laundry *cough some vets*)
and the isles have said there will be no information tonightSo again, what did the isles do wrong here?
Would it have satisfied all of you guys if they had come out and said“YEAH WE GOT A DEAL IN PLACE FOR BILLY G AND THE TEAM IS X AND YEAH WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH”
Great..so then all of you could bitch and moan and complain once AGAIN once the deal fell through, only this time you would have ammunition of saying “AHA SEE..THEY ANNOUNCED THE DEAL AND THE OTHER PARTY GOT COLD FEET..DAMN YA MICKEY Mouse organization”
Damned if you do..damned if you dont
Again.. dont bring up muller and stuff from 20 years ago, this is not regressional therapy session
Exactly WHAT did the ISLANDERS do wrong here? Someone with HALF a brain tell me?
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bueller…anyone..bueller
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FWIW, Dreger on TSN seems to think that the delay is with *The Other Team.* signing off. Relax, chill put things into perspective and if it is really that bad being an Islander fan just cheer for another team. Life is too short to get all wigged-out about something that is entertainment. Can’t wait for Thursday’s game!
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Should we expect guerin to be traded to the same team that he was supposed to or another team?
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if sportsnet is right, then this whole insane situation may have created a bidding war for guerin – thus driving up his value. i really hope they are right.
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jeff says:
So let me get this straight. Obviously, the Isles have no deal finalized to trade Guerin, but will not play him Monday night. CB, please explain to me how it is that the Isles can continue to dress less than the best team possible and still expect fans to come to the games. Why on earth would any free agent ever come here? I love the Isles more than any team in any sport, but it is getting really tough to continue to be emotionally invested in this charade.
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BringBackNyles says:
national TV game, 15 inches of snow coming our way to hold the crowd down to hundreds, an AWOL captain….as always we put our best foot forward for the national stage
Why not just have a KC style BBQ in the tent at intermission?
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Sec 215 says:
Lets all take a breath…feel better? (Think I should change my screen name to Dr. Phil) We’re all frustrated, a million different things could have happened. Not that i believe it, but maybe there never was a trade in the works, maybe Billy had a death in the family, maybe he had a hang nail. Who cares, obviously they’re working on it.
What do we know? In a really terrible time we have/have had/will have (?) a great captain. What else? The sun will rise tomorrow, all be it shrouded by snow (the innuendo is just too beautiful!)
Everyone just calm down. We have 2 more days of this, put the aneurisms on ice for a sec. Lets just thank big poppa Chris for being there, holding our hands and blogging in the new era. Can’t we all just be islanders…for at least little longer?Disclaimer: Portions of this comment were conceived on large portions on vodka. May not be suitable for younger readers.
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Mike from Philly says:
Wow….just wow
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We are going no where with Guerin. In wake of Weights injury, I have no problem with the Islanders sidelining Guerin until a deal is struck for insurance purposes. Could be the difference in a pick which is the future……
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Mike (671) What “joke” are you talking about? I swear that the people who keep saying this over and over cannot possibly be Islanders fans… or if they are, they just say this automatically without even thinking about the situation. There is nothing that is a “joke” here- at all. What in the world is flipping you out?
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streit 02 says:
Jeff – this is the most bill guerin has attracted as far as bringing fans to the game than he has since he signed here. I wonder if you would have the same reaction as you do now if the isles dressed guerin for nexts game and he breaks his leg. For some fans, its a double edged sword with the isles. No matter what they do, its always a problem. There is nothing out of the ordinary with what the isles are doing with guerin right now.
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Personally, Guerin hasn’t shown much in the past 3-4 weeks anyway. If it means not dressing him, I don’t think they are hurting their team so much. And frankly…I’m thinking Tavares or Hedman, so who cares. I’m going to reiterate the fact that this team, more than anything else, needs a franchise player to build around…and a #1 pick (hopefully) will do that.
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David Lee says:
Streit–the isles are a PR NIGHTMARE…injuries, false “inevitable” trades. The fans are not whiners, they are beaten down , punch drunk gluttons for punishment. Mickey Mouse indeed.
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read lebrun on espns hockey page. i think CB mentioned him somewhere in the last 5000 posts as a credible journalist. then sign off, and hit this blog tomorrow. if it takes longer to get a better deal, so be it.
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mrlbem says:
We’re not doing anything different than what Phoenix is doing with Derek Morris. And Phoenix is coached by. . . oh yeah, Mr. Mickey Mouse Organization himself. I bet Gretzky is not being lambasted like most of the people here are doing to Garth. Gretzky does it and it’s a prudent thing to do, so Morris doesn’t get hurt before the deadline. We do the same thing and the sky is falling.
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patrick says:
welcome to the NY Islanders
total amateur hour
you would think i’d be used to this crap
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Paul* says:
You never Know what the next day brings dont stop believing, even if their is no trade!
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CALM DOWN!!!!
As I stated earlier. This is a SELLERS MARKET!!! The prices are high to acquire players this year and this won’t be the first one to be held up or fall apart.
Just relax.
There’s no fiasco here. This is what the market is. For younger contending teams Guerin is going to have a nice price tag. Vets like him are what teams like Toronto, Pittsburgh, Boston and Montreal are gonna want.
He’ll keep those younger players on an even keil when they go into the locker room after the first down 2-0.
Just calm down.
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MAB says:
The Islanders have not done anything wrong here. It is easy to pick on they way the team is run, but if they feel they have a deal in place last night and are protecting there asset by not playing him there is nothing wrong with that. The organization never came out and said they had a trade it is all speculation on everyone’s part.
P.S. CB keep up the great work love the site
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Robert says:
CB i fell bad for you having to deal with this for over 24 hours… But I will feel even worse for Islander fans that actually care, if we don’t walk away with something to look forward to…
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They just found Guerin, he was on a bender at Scores, but says he will be ready for the next game!
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Not sure why a lot of people are freaking out. Of course we’re all anxious to find out what the deal is, but what’s the rush? If Garth can create a bidding war, more power to him, the deadline isn’t until Wed.
And why are people assuming the ‘deal’ fell through? Perhaps it’s complex (salary cap issues), multiple teams involved, or some other team called last minute to ask Snow to slow down (so they could make a better offer).
Regardless, let’s hear what is happening (or did happen) before we jump to the conclusion.
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Very good point Law… but I still think he is at Scores handing out dollar bills!!
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hathead68 says:
Re: post 672 The Real Truthster – well said. Everyone just relax. The Islanders are handling everything correctly. The lack of information unfortunatley gets people all bent out of shape and leads to wild speculation. It’s human nature but it’s NOT the Islanders fault. This stuff happens all the time in sports behind the scenes and we know NOTHING until a deal is finalized. Many times we hear how a deal took weeks or months to come to fruition. The mystery is just because Geurin was scratched right before the game. Lets just see waht happens, and not let our wild imaginations/speculation set us up for disappointment. Give GMG and Coach Gordon a chance. For all the Islanders fans old enough to remember, Bill Torrey and Al Arbour worked closely together, and look at Darcy Regier and Lindy Ruff in Buffalo (Darcy was strongly influenced by his time under Arbour and Torrey). I think we’re all pulling for the same thing: continued development of the young guys, last place and winning the draft lottery, Jonathan Tavares and a strong draft, a good offseason, and the Lighthouse Project. LET’S GO ISLES and keep up the good work CB!
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patrick and David Lee
dont dilude us with your pessimism..either tell us what the isles did in this situation that was mickey mouseish or take your ball and go home to wallow in your tears
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Robert, c’mon, let’s be serious here…we all know he prefers dive bars. =P
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MRLBEM (688): Nicely done my friend… nicely done.
DOC
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eye on the island says:
its obvious what this whole “trade” was
a cooked up scenario by Cb, so he could get credited by tsn, and see traffic go through the roof
just wait, tomorrow they’ll be a whole new site design and advertisers galore
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rm says:
So the other team balks and its the Isles fault?
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Ha ha, no trade… wouldn’t that be rich? The whole media circus was just a fun diversion on the weekend before the trade deadline. With our luck, Guerin will be starting the game tomorrow vs. Colorado.
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Just read Pierre Lebrun’s article on ESPN. He stated that the Isles are the ones that were waiting until Monday to finalize the deal. Guerin approved the move on Sunday, but talks with continue into Monday. He contacted the Bruins, NJ, Panthers, Flyers, Penguins, Habs Hurricanes and Sabres all denied having interest in Guerin. The Caps did not respond either way and the Rangers never called back.
If true what does all this say. Guerin will be dealt, but obviously Snow is trying to get more. Maybe another team came into the picture or the deal is bigger than originally thought. Hopefully we will see tomorrow.
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Robert (696): Maybe he is giving out dollars to the homeless on 10th avenue or something- because Scores closed down lol.
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So is it Guerin for Poti and Kozlov? Guerin for draft picks? Is Washington done with its rebuild now? Who wants to play 20 questions? Does B.F.D. violate the policies of this blog? Do I need more sleep?
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Brian says:
(706) – No. Yes. Maybe. Me. Nah. Yes! =)
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CB: I also think that it is that its Washington. But I dont think it can be “a simple, two-team, pick-and-prospect trade” because of their complicated salary cap situation. I think its got to be either the ISles taking back someone with salary or a third team as part of this. In light of their cap situation, what do you think?
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Vlad from Brooklyn says:
10:20 You say? I’ll be watchin’.
About Guerin “rollecoster”: I’d say – let them (Snow & Co.) deal with that and wait for the results.
I just don’t want this “storm” to shadow the great game Isles had with Buffalo. They just did what they wanted to do without anybody slowing the game down for them. Loved the game. And Bergy is much bigger news for me now!
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Good job the past 27 hours CB.
You should get some sleep after your interview and let’s HOPE this thing is finalized tomorrow. I also hope this wait has been worth it, Snow better have a good deal on the table to do it now instead of closer to Wednesday.
Good night everyone, make sure all your snowblowers are prepped for the morning!
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you’re the man chris. a 2nd rounder and a mid level prospect from the caps is my prediction. maybe if there were other bids (as sportsnet said) we could up that 2nd to a first rounder.
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Of course the one time I ever wanted to watch News 12 I’m stuck in Atlanta due to he fricking weather. I hope everything from TV is on here lol.
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ESPNN agrees with CB .. says Caps most likely destination .. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3944746&name=lebrun_pierre
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If you are right CB, it would be nice to get Finnish LW Oskar Osala and a pick. He’s a big strong winger that can score. We can only wait and see.
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Mouthwash says:
wow did News12 get worse? I lived in Queens for a while and watched NY1 all the time and always thought it was basically the same as News12 LI. This is the first time I’m watching since I moved back to LI a year ago and boy was I wrong… I feel like I’m watching public access.
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just listened to cb on news 12. Nice work chris. this site def shows Islander country is alive and well and we are passionate about the islanders.
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just listened to cb on news 12. Nice work chris. this site def shows Islander country is alive and well.
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Very nice little interview, CB! And forget TSN coverage, now youre gonna get the News12 bump!
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great job CB. Best source of Islander news is right here!
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Good job in a short interview CB. Great publicity to show interest in Long Island’s ONLY professional sports franchise is alive, well and passionate!
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Great job CB. Wish you had more time, but Micheal asked good questions and you were able to get everything out that is relavent.
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Chief says:
One simple parameter if Washington is the mystery team: they would need to clear out ~$2.4M in salary. It couldn’t be a simple prospect & pick deal. It would have to be at least one player making that in that neighborhood on the season to make it fit. Nylander, No Movement Clause and all, seems like the obvious player for Washington to try to get rid of seeing as how he’s been a healthy scratch the past three games…whether to NYI or elsewhere beforehand.
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Deadhead says:
Hug it out at the end? Are you kidding? If you read the Newsday article about the rift between Scott Gordon and Bill Guerin then you know that this ends on a sour note, just as the Campoli/Comrie trade did. Sure we get a pick or a person back in return but there are some serious issues in the this organization right now, and a lot are off the record stuff.
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Ryan says:
CB, you truly are the man…Thank you for all the great work you have done the past 27 or so hours
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DINO says:
Man Of The Year: Chris Botta
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CB your gonna need a holiday after the circus is over HAHA
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One thing I just read. The only East contending teams that can take Geurin’s salary without moving anything are NJ, Buffalo and Carolina. This tells me that cap space needed to be cleared, unless he went to one of the teams above.
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dalcy says:
would you consider Semin a prospect?
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I believe we’re about to crack the 1500 mark on comments. Get this man some money! The internet makes a lot of money… give him some of THAT money!
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Deadhead (726): Dont you think its a little odd that you are telling CB what the organization is like? I mean, honestly- dont you think that he knows more than we do? Just something to tink about is all.
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Brian G says:
Possible trading partners:
Washington for Fehr & 2nd round Pick
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If you think they are getting Semin for Guerin, you are out of your mind. They’d be asking for Okposo, at a minimum, to give up Semin. Thus, it’s not happening. I am expecting a 2nd round pick – anything on top of that is gravy.
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Gary says:
Actually, I would consider Semin a budding star.
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c’mon Dorfman, that post was done with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
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someone hit the nail on the head when they said that teams usually wait until mondays to announce deals and not usually announce on sundays. My take is that washington is BG’s destination but its a three team move and we’re just waiting for the third team to fanalize. Great work and patience CB!
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In a wild game, Tampa Bay won 8-6 in Calgary tonight.
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To be honest, after the return from the campolli trade I’m pretty happy with our draft situation.
Whatever we get for Guerin, Witt and Weight is just icing on the cake.
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I agree with CB on this, I think Washington is where Billy will end up for a 2nd rd pick.
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Steven from Boston says:
Imagine the Islanders were trading a good player?
This is amazing how this trade has gotten so monumental.
Go Isles!
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nickystix says:
Maybe its witt and guerin to the caps and the caps need to free up some cap space.
And for fellow blackberry users that hecticly scroll down on these long comment pages like myself, hit the “B” button to go to the bottom of the page. Just figured it out saves a lot of time -
capsfan says:
Hey guys, dropped by yesterday with an idea, seems like it might be plausible. Basically we (Washington) have about 1.7 mil in cap space, and a 4.8 mil healthy scratch in Nylander (who unfortunately has a no-movement clause, six kids, and a wife who would probably get along with the missus out in Anaheim). I would not be surprised at all if what’s holding this up is the deal that would get Nylander out of DC, whether it’s him refusing to waive his nmc or the other team balking at the terms. Either way, I’m not so sure the delay is coming from Long Island. Also Chris Botta I’m not familiar with your work (never been here before yesterday), but our organization is by far the most mysterious in the NHL. If they deny something, that means it’s imminent (or not), lol.
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CB – That “BFD” on your last entry reminded me of Bob Murphy’s “…and the Mets win the damn thing…” radio call.
Unexpected, yet yotally appropriate. I could hear the 28 hours of frustration coming out of your keyboard.
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Well, I certainly hope that we’re not taking back Nylander–he’s got two years left on his contact. Also, does Washington even have a 2nd round pick in this year’s draft? They traded it to Montreal for Huet. Washington’s number 1 and Nylander for Guerin? I don’t think so.
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Beaker says:
at this point i think they are just making this trade to dump some salary space, make a run for lebron in ’10. everyone knew he would end up in a blue and orange new york jersey
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I have solid information from a source somewhere in Canada that the deal is as follows:
Ottowa Senators send Chris Campoli and Mike Comri to NYI.
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Spinner9 says:
Brian G:
I hope your right about Fehr and a number 2. I was thinking the same thing. He’s a big wing with a lot of upside and a former #1 pick. By the way, I think some kudos are in order for the wakeup call Gordon sent to Begenheim by making him a healthy scratch for a few games. He’s been playing at a higher level of intensity since his return to the line-up.
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where can i find the news 12 interview if i missed it i cnt find it on news12.com
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don’t fret, its Channel 12 news. they will replay it ad infinitum for the next 2 days
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Travelchic59 says:
CB, I don’t have time to read all 700+ posts at this time of night. Just want to say thanks for keeping us as informed as possible. Love your sense of humor.
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Paul says:
I have been following this site for a while now and I have to say thank you very much to Chris! The amount of information you give us is amazing! This is my favorite hockey site bar none! Also I have to say that I am proud to be an Islander fan! I know it has been brutal around here for a while! I do! But when you see so many fans of a team so into what is happening to the team on a daily basis its great to see. I feel in my heart that the Islander organization will come back strong! Long Islanders are not quitters, we are fighters! In the end we will have the last laugh!
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746- I didn’t say Nylander was going to Long Island, I said he needed to be moved. Subtle but huge difference.
Also, don’t expect Fehr coming back in any trades, especially not for Guerin.
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sorry, i still feel nj is involved
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@Ajax, they don’t have enough cap space, who are they going to let go? Btw this is HSHS from the Caps boards.
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CB’s on record….. he says we traded for Ovechkin!!!! LOL
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kingbet123 says:
WOW!!!! After reading the article in Newsday today, there’s no chance BG plays another game for us.
CB, thanks for the great job and continued success with the site.
Gonna try and make it to Gab’s for PB II.
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@ capsfan – Definately agree with your Nylander theory. I mentioned earlier that Nylander/1st rounder for Guerin would be a perfect trade. I think some people have slightly overrated Guerin’s trade value (38, UFA, 2nd/3rd line RW on teams considering him, not a PK’er and will see limited PP time in the playoffs). Since Nylander has an awful contract maybe the Isles can work a prospect like Carlson, Perrault, Bouchard or Osala into the mix, but more that is asking a lot in my opinion.
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Armand says:
#748 Why would Ottawa trade for Bill Guerin ..they’re out of the playoffs. He’s UFA at the end of the year.
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BC says:
The biggest question I have is if we truly get a pick and prospect in return, which has the better value. I mean is it more likely we get a first or second round pick with a prospect expected to be a third liner, or a third or fourth round pick with a prospect with more upside?
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we need youth prospects, Guerin and Weight are goof people and solid pros, but at this point we NEED prospects.
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brian says:
Can someone (Botta maybe) explain to me why it is such a big deal for Guerin to go to an Eastern team? At most he’ll be there for a couple months and then he is a UFA. He can then do whatever he and his family wants in the offseason.
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janiceenberg says:
Hello everyone i am completely new to this forum. Interested in learning many new things. Hope we all will share our knowledge and talk about different concepts in this forum.
i hope it wont come to this!