Comments on: THE TRUE COST FOR CALVIN de HAAN:Campoli, a 2nd round pick, two 3rds and a 4th http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th Independent, Daily Coverage Of The New York Islanders Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:00:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James C http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100898 James C Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:46:09 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100898 "’Im no hockey expert, but until proven otherwise, I continue to believe our hockey brain trust resembles the Pirates more than the Penguins." -Merrick 10/7 post # 39 Ouch. Another awesome article Chris but this one stings. Added pressure on de Haan, he looked possibly blue chip, but hey . we're the islanders so we have given away olli jokinen, roberto luongo AND (dany heatley or marian gaborik) for mark parrish and oleg kvasha. It actually brings me tears. “’Im no hockey expert, but until proven otherwise, I continue to believe our hockey brain trust resembles the Pirates more than the Penguins.” -Merrick 10/7 post # 39

Ouch.
Another awesome article Chris but this one stings.
Added pressure on de Haan, he looked possibly blue chip, but hey . we’re the islanders so we have given away olli jokinen, roberto luongo AND (dany heatley or marian gaborik) for mark parrish and oleg kvasha.

It actually brings me tears.

]]> By: gary9_19_22 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100857 gary9_19_22 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:59:27 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100857 Man...people love to complain. I saw a show about Marty B. Lou Lamarillo said they were not geniuos' for taking Marty. It was good fortune that Kidd was taken ahead of him. He said if he knew then how good Marty would be hw would still trade anything to move up. And that's from the guy who stepped in SHT that day!!! Man…people love to complain.

I saw a show about Marty B. Lou Lamarillo said they were not geniuos’ for taking Marty. It was good fortune that Kidd was taken ahead of him. He said if he knew then how good Marty would be hw would still trade anything to move up. And that’s from the guy who stepped in SHT that day!!!

]]> By: Irish Isle http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100831 Irish Isle Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:17:47 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100831 I like this deal for several reasons. First I liked that Garth was bold, he knew who he wanted, and got him. How much did the scouts see de Haan play alongside Tavares, see chemistry, and have that influence their pick? I like this deal for several reasons. First I liked that Garth was bold, he knew who he wanted, and got him. How much did the scouts see de Haan play alongside Tavares, see chemistry, and have that influence their pick?

]]> By: Jason http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100827 Jason Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:08:32 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100827 #85, don't forget that Ryan Ellis went 11th. The Islanders made the trade immediately AFTER that selection. The Islanders must have felt some urgency, and I can appreciate that. Sure, de Haan could have been there at 14th, 15th, or 16th, but the Islanders felt strongly about this player and didn't want to risk it. Ultimately, I view this as a good move. You can not assume that a player is going to last until 26th because THN Draft Preview says so. In 1991, Peter Forsberg was ranked 24th or so, and wasn't quite as skilled as Markus Naslund. I'll dig up that preview and get back to you on it. In the mean time, chew on that one. #85, don’t forget that Ryan Ellis went 11th. The Islanders made the trade immediately AFTER that selection. The Islanders must have felt some urgency, and I can appreciate that. Sure, de Haan could have been there at 14th, 15th, or 16th, but the Islanders felt strongly about this player and didn’t want to risk it. Ultimately, I view this as a good move. You can not assume that a player is going to last until 26th because THN Draft Preview says so. In 1991, Peter Forsberg was ranked 24th or so, and wasn’t quite as skilled as Markus Naslund. I’ll dig up that preview and get back to you on it. In the mean time, chew on that one.

]]> By: Jason http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100823 Jason Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:56:22 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100823 With all due respect, I think you are way too hard on this trade. If this is the player that the Islanders wanted, and they wanted him that badly, I can't consider what they gave up as "too much". Based on what I saw in pre-season (1 game), I liked what I saw of him. He's very poised and patient with the puck. He didn't show any particular speed, but he did remind me of Paul Coffey minus the speed. He can keep the puck on his stick, deke oncoming traffic, and ultimately get the puck either out of the zone or on a teammate's stick. If the player is part of something great, then it was well worth what they've done. With all due respect, I think you are way too hard on this trade. If this is the player that the Islanders wanted, and they wanted him that badly, I can’t consider what they gave up as “too much”. Based on what I saw in pre-season (1 game), I liked what I saw of him. He’s very poised and patient with the puck. He didn’t show any particular speed, but he did remind me of Paul Coffey minus the speed. He can keep the puck on his stick, deke oncoming traffic, and ultimately get the puck either out of the zone or on a teammate’s stick. If the player is part of something great, then it was well worth what they’ve done.

]]> By: Hockey1919 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100800 Hockey1919 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:26:22 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100800 Each pick affects who else you take so you can't just determine one pick's value on its own. The possibilities are endless, would the Islanders be better with Filatov/Hedman/Kassian or Bailey/Tavares/DeHaan? Time will tell, I just hope they aren't trying to be too smart. Each pick affects who else you take so you can’t just determine one pick’s value on its own. The possibilities are endless, would the Islanders be better with Filatov/Hedman/Kassian or Bailey/Tavares/DeHaan? Time will tell, I just hope they aren’t trying to be too smart.

]]> By: tond24 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100799 tond24 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:25:08 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100799 Comrie? too much way 2 much, look at the d we passed on for bailey..... Comrie? too much way 2 much, look at the d we passed on for bailey…..

]]> By: nightfly http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100773 nightfly Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:30:47 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100773 Campoli's a third pair guy, de Haan could be a top pair guy. Third pair guys are a dime a dozen, you can sign them for $600K nearly every off-season. Besides which, Campoli was a seventh-rounder whom we got better-than-expected play from. So, that first-rounder he got from Ottawa/San Jose was really a 7th-round pick once upon a time. Snow got a couple of years of credible play out of it, and then flipped it in part for de Haan. Further, a lot of what he gave away came to us in the Bailey trade. CB's math is correct but not entirely complete... add in the gains from the '08 draft, much of which helped this move possible, and it looks more like this: Campoli, Filatov, a two, two threes, a four for Bailey, de Haan, #40 in '08 (they took Aaron Ness), #66 (?) in '08 (they took David Toews, meh). Bailey and de Haan are a better pair than Campoli and Filatov. Ness just has to be better than any of the other three (G Anders Nilsson, CLB; G David Hackett, MIN; RW Cameron Abney, EDM) to make all of that a net gain for the Isles... and that's apart from anything they get from the projects they were able to draft in '08 and '09 that they could not have risked without the extra picks (Petrov in '08, Cizikas in '09). ** a confusing note... the Isles dealt #92 overall in '09, but the draft chart says they took Cizikas there. The Jackets had the #94, but the draft chart says "via Colorado." I am puzzled, but Cizikas is an Islander, so I'm not sure where that fourth rounder came from. Campoli’s a third pair guy, de Haan could be a top pair guy. Third pair guys are a dime a dozen, you can sign them for $600K nearly every off-season. Besides which, Campoli was a seventh-rounder whom we got better-than-expected play from.

So, that first-rounder he got from Ottawa/San Jose was really a 7th-round pick once upon a time. Snow got a couple of years of credible play out of it, and then flipped it in part for de Haan. Further, a lot of what he gave away came to us in the Bailey trade. CB’s math is correct but not entirely complete… add in the gains from the ’08 draft, much of which helped this move possible, and it looks more like this:

Campoli, Filatov, a two, two threes, a four
for
Bailey, de Haan, #40 in ’08 (they took Aaron Ness), #66 (?) in ’08 (they took David Toews, meh).

Bailey and de Haan are a better pair than Campoli and Filatov. Ness just has to be better than any of the other three (G Anders Nilsson, CLB; G David Hackett, MIN; RW Cameron Abney, EDM) to make all of that a net gain for the Isles… and that’s apart from anything they get from the projects they were able to draft in ’08 and ’09 that they could not have risked without the extra picks (Petrov in ’08, Cizikas in ’09).

** a confusing note… the Isles dealt #92 overall in ’09, but the draft chart says they took Cizikas there. The Jackets had the #94, but the draft chart says “via Colorado.” I am puzzled, but Cizikas is an Islander, so I’m not sure where that fourth rounder came from.

]]> By: Iels19 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100743 Iels19 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:57:53 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100743 Bailey is a great character guy that will give 110% all the time and continue to get stronger and improve. This is the the culture that is being created. We dont want anyone that does not fit in this mold. Filatov has questionable character and work ethic. Bailey is a great character guy that will give 110% all the time and continue to get stronger and improve. This is the the culture that is being created. We dont want anyone that does not fit in this mold. Filatov has questionable character and work ethic.

]]> By: Isles Fan in Ulster County http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100742 Isles Fan in Ulster County Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:48:19 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100742 Someone mentioned CB's take on Bailey v Filatov. No thanks. Enough of the postulating of the picks that never happened to somehow validate the picks that did. Bailey and Filatov are completely different kinds of players, how do you assess who is better? By goals? By assists? By points? By +/-? Do you compare centermen like Yzerman to scorers like Bure (before he was a Rag) and then say one is better than the other? I'm just picking names here. They serve different roles on their teams. Someone mentioned CB’s take on Bailey v Filatov. No thanks. Enough of the postulating of the picks that never happened to somehow validate the picks that did. Bailey and Filatov are completely different kinds of players, how do you assess who is better? By goals? By assists? By points? By +/-? Do you compare centermen like Yzerman to scorers like Bure (before he was a Rag) and then say one is better than the other? I’m just picking names here. They serve different roles on their teams.

]]> By: dose http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100741 dose Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:46:39 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100741 "Are they trying to become a goalie surplus store?" snow not only take care of the immediate goaltending need but literally built a stable of goalies he can use as chips later when the rest of the team is coming together. having a surplus of goalies is like having a surplus of starting pitchers. if the 2 kid goalies he grabbed develop, in a couple of years he'll have multiple pieces with more value than draft picks to play with, and plenty of options. the debate about the dehaan move is beyond me, i guess how good dehaan gets will decide it. but i think snow was wise and did a great job on the goalie situation. “Are they trying to become a goalie surplus store?”

snow not only take care of the immediate goaltending need but literally built a stable of goalies he can use as chips later when the rest of the team is coming together. having a surplus of goalies is like having a surplus of starting pitchers. if the 2 kid goalies he grabbed develop, in a couple of years he’ll have multiple pieces with more value than draft picks to play with, and plenty of options. the debate about the dehaan move is beyond me, i guess how good dehaan gets will decide it. but i think snow was wise and did a great job on the goalie situation.

]]> By: tom http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/10/the-true-cost-for-calvin-de-haancampoli-a-2nd-round-pick-two-3rds-and-a-4th/#comment-100740 tom Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:38:52 +0000 http://www.islanderspointblank.com/?p=16476#comment-100740 who cares if they gave up a bunch of 2nd-4th round picks, you can find guys like that anywhere, they wanted to get a potential top 4 nhl dman, we've had enough 3rd round prospects around here the last 10 years so what who cares if they gave up a bunch of 2nd-4th round picks, you can find guys like that anywhere, they wanted to get a potential top 4 nhl dman, we’ve had enough 3rd round prospects around here the last 10 years so what

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