CONFIRMED: ISLANDERS WANTED IN BROOKLYN
Ratner says arena will be retro-fitted for NYI
September 20: Point Blank exclusively reports that developer Bruce Ratner is interested in the Islanders for his Brooklyn Project. Utilizing their own resources, bloggers such as B.D. Gallof from Hockey Independent and Nick from Let There Be Lighthouse receive fourth confirmation and do follow-up stories. Newsday? Nothing, other than a sneer weeks later about how the proposed arena, as currently drawn up, does not have room for a hockey team.
December 9: Newsday – “Brooklyn Arena Developer has Eye on Islanders.” And the paper continues to quote the Rockville Centre “sports marketing” expert who said if the Islanders moved off Long Island, few would care.
73 Responses to CONFIRMED: ISLANDERS WANTED IN BROOKLYN
Ratner says arena will be retro-fitted for NYI
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Dan says:
I can break a little easier now but I am still worried.
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hextall72 says:
Would be the best thing for this franchise besides the inception and the 4 cups..
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bergie20 says:
great news! as long the isles stay somewhere on long island (including queens & brooklyn) i’m happy. and it looks like they will.
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Alex says:
if this happens… are they still called the islanders?
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me says:
Just from researching. It seems Brooklyn people have alot of pride. I wonder if that pride will carry over to the NY Islanders if they were to move there. Oh and I hope if they do go there, they remain the NY Islanders and not renamed the Brooklyn Islanders.
They will still be called the Islanders because Brooklyn is still geographically on Long Island. Just don’t know if they will remain NY or be called Brooklyn.
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brooklyyyyyyn ZOO! yeah i want the lighthouse, but this would be just amazing.
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Big Boy says:
This would be GREAT!!!!!! screw Nassau County with there 1980′s mentality…
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Staten Islander says:
GREAT news, worst case, they move to Brooklyn, best case, the Lighthouse gets done.
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Jerky says:
The new goal song should be NO … SLEEP … TILL BROOKLYN!
Honestly, would be thrilled if the Isles stayed in Nassau or moved to Brooklyn/Queens, so this is a big positive. More local options to save the core of the franchise from becoming a second team in Ontario or a middle-market shop in a city like KC.
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lol jerky (9)
No sleep till brooklyn would be great!
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They want them to be called the Brooklyn islanders. That’s ridiculous. I would much rather queens than change the name that has our history. Boo to Brooklyn if they want a name change.
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JJ says:
As long as they stay in NY, I’m happy (especially since I don’t live in NY anymore!). But, if the Lighthouse does not get done, I think Queens is a better option.
Queens is easier to get to for most Long Islanders (unless the Brooklyn site has an easy LIRR site).
Any place in NYC, though, may be better than LI. There’s many more people in the Manhattan and the boroughs, and when it’s as easy as hopping on a subway, people will show up more casually.
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JT says:
What better way to bring back a curse on those hated rangers, Broklyn Americans
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Stumpy32 says:
While I still believe Queens (if all things were equal) is a better option than Brooklyn, this is a real arena that WILL be built in the near future. I am thrilled that this is happening, and not just because I live within walking distance. The Isles will, overnight, become a major league, big-market franchise, with the cache to bring in high-level talent for high-level dollars. This gives CW major leverage with the morons who run the TOH. Sure, the real estate doesn’t exist, but do any of you even contemplate the different in the franchise worth of the Islanders if they play smack in the middle of the biggest city in the world? Wang would recoup his tens of millions in losses in an instant. Should he choose to sell, once the team is firmly situated in Brooklyn, he’ll make a killing.
Some of you will say that Brooklyn isn’t a “hockey market,” or that the area is unsafe. Please. I get that, for many of you, traveling to Brooklyn from LI is a pain you’ve never had to deal with as an Isles fan. But look at it this way – the viability of our beloved franchise will reach levels its never seen with this move. Sure, the team will be a little farther away…but it won’t be in Kansas City, or Hamilton, or Winnipeg, or wherever.
I’m psyched about this development. Let’s get on this. LETS GO ISLANDERS!!!!
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JC Frank says:
LIRR will stop there, along with 10 other subway lines.
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orngfan says:
lets be honest, sports marketing “experts” dont work out of rockville centre.. just like major newspapers aren’t published on long island.
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Blizzard says: I would totally support this move. I think the Islanders would thrive there. Mass transit access, new arena, shared venue with the NBA. It looks like win all around. Screw Nassau county. I live in Suffolk and I would have no problem hopping a train to see them. Cool area IMO.
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Brother Rat says:
Heh, if we get Brooklyn instead I could be down. I’d prefer that to Queens; the LIRR/subway fees have to be better than the aggravation and overcharging you’d get by driving to Willets Point.
Has anyone checked out the proposed schematics of the arena? The Barclays Center is already supposed to be decked out in orange and blue outside.
As for a name change, I’m fine with either the NY or Brooklyn Isles. I’d rather they don’t become the Brooklyn Islanders of New York or something idiotically Anaheimlike.
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you can call us the Brooklyn Biscuits for all i care….if we win and have a new arena all is good by me
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jimb says:
the great thing about brooklyn if you live in suffolk is that you can take a train right to the arena, the flatbush avenue brooklyn train is right next door
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isles72 says:
I wonder if wang would sell the team to ratner and still develop the l’house w-out the isles /arena reno as part of the plans
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Mike for Philly says:
Brooklyn/Queens is a million times better then Uniondale. Check out the proposed arena website, the building is going to be built on top of the Atlantic Train station terminal which has LIRR and 8 different subway lines. This would be great news if it actually happens.
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BR says:
Good news, to be sure, but we’re not quite out of the woods yet. Just because Ratner is interested in having the Isles play at B.C. doesn’t mean he (or the Russian) are actually interested in buying the team. What’s better than an arena with one tenant? An arena with two tenants.
Would the Wang-owned Isles move to Ratner’s place? Depends entirely on what the lease terms would be.
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John Keitz says:
The irony here? Since they put Newsday behind a paywall, thus alienating their readership, if Newsday were to close up shop no one would notice that!
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BringBackNyles says:
CB, I love the site. But I don’t care about Newsday, you are a great reporter..you don’t have to keep pointing out Newsday sucks. It comes off as petty.
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Brooks Simpson says:
One of the benefits of the Newsday paywall is that I’m spared the chance to read its “take” on the Lighthouse story.
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Steve M says: If Gervais didn;t suck as much, we would have gotten at least a point tonight. Instead we leave with our heads down, and hoping we win saturday.
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puck-o says:
someone explain exactly what gervais does? Cant play the pp cant clear the crease, cant reach the net on a slap shot. Can turn the puck over !! oh ok
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Dan says:
Even though people don’t think of it this way, isn’t Brookyln “technically” connected to the mass of Long Island? Like The Island in the logo, isn’t the very west end of that where Brooklyn is located? Same with Queens? Sorry, I’m not a geography king.
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Newsday article 12-9-09
Developer Bruce Ratner has just released a report affirming his keen interest in attracting the New York Islanders to his planned Brooklyn Arena in the borough’s downtown area.
Ratner’s report, prepared by Convention, Sports, Leisure International of Plano, Texas to help sell bonds to build the arena, comes a week after Nassau County Executive Tom Suozzi, one of the most prominent backers of the Lighthouse Project, lost his re-election bid to Republican Ed Mangano. The Lighthouse was to include a renovated Nassau Coliseum. During the campaign, Mangano was lukewarm about the Lighthouse Project.
Additionally, Lighthouse developers Charles Wang and Scott Rechler have been unhappy with what they see as the slow pace of the approval process for the Lighthouse.
“The New York Islanders could potentially become a tenant of the proposed area . . . moving from their current home of Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum,” the report states. The area, the report says, is currently designed to house the New Jersey Nets basketball team.
“If built as planned, the arena would need to be retrofitted to accommodate the ice-making abilities the [National Hockey League] requires for its franchises,” the report says.
Wang has threatened to move the Islanders, possibly to Kansas City, if the project is not approved.
John Meindl, president of Sportsbrandmedia Inc., a sports marketing company in Rockville Centre, said Ratner “sees a window of opportunity” following Suozzi’s loss. On his [Ratner's] part it’s a brilliant move.”
But, Meindl said, the Islanders – a woeful team for years now – might have difficulty attracting fans to downtown Brooklyn from Long Island.
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Steve says:
Well, it’s a great news that the Isles are wanted in Brooklyn. If the Islanders do move to Brooklyn, I would rather have Wang share the cost of the project with Ratner so that the Isles don’t pay a lease fee to Ratner. Ratner had to sell the Nets due to his financial situation, I don’t think he would mind sharing the cost of building the Atlantic Yards project with Wang. Personally, I hope that the Islanders put in a bid to Queens in the Willets Point project.
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Sorry Steve M (26) but Blakes GWG was not on Gervais, it was on Streit. It was a takeaway from Streit, not Bruno. Bruno did what he should have done, passed it to the open d-man. As much as I love Streit, that goal was against him more than anyone else. And lets not forget Comeau and Okposos “point blank” (pardon the pun) chances to score goals!!!!
Great party tonight, CB. I had a great time, even if I didnt win anything.
But I got to talk to Stevie, which rocked! My friend Savafan1 even took a pic of us for me, aand Im gonna put it right with the pic I have with him from back in his rookie year. 
Im proud he was an Islander, and he will always be an Islander to me! 
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“Wang has threatened to move the Islanders, possibly to Kansas City, if the project is not approved.” Um Charles Wang has never “threatened to move” this team ANYWHERE. GOD I HATE frickin Newsday!!!!!!!
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19 Isle in NJ 22 says:
At this point and time I just want something done that keeps the team in NY… I prefer the NVMC / Lighthouse site overall … but I’ll be happy and would not complain if it’s WP, Queens or even better for my commute to games … Brooklyn … the Atlantic Yards site is less than a mile from the hospital I was born. So in a way a second home coming if they move there.
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Jim Clark says: Can two teams owned by two different owners in one arena work? I lived in Buffalo in the mid-1970s and there were constant battles between the Snyder-owned NBA Braves and the Knox-owned NHL Sabres. The Sabres had the choice of good dates and refused to let the Braves have any. How would revenues from concessions, parking, concerts, etc be divided?
Do we want Ratner to have any part in the Islanders when his Nets are horrible..on their way to the worst record ever in team sports. Maybe this Russian fellow would be okay but does a man from the other side of the world know what local fans want? Or would he look to milk every ruble he can out of the franchise. Plenty of American/Canadian owners have done it.Does Wang want a building where he can make some money and support a winning team. Or is his interest mainly as a real estate developer with a revamped arena as window dressing to get support from fans like us? He’s always said a stand alone arena-rebuild wouldn’t work..why exactly is that? If he got his Lifesaver Project, would he use some of the money to build a first class outfield..instead of giving out Yashin trading cards and Guerin pennants as prizes?
Moving to the City of Churches may be the second (or third after Queens) option for most fans. Not me but I’m a Nassau/Suffolk provincial. But I understand why most fans are fine with a move to Brooklyn or Flushing.
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Priest says:
Who cares what Newsday thinks. The quality of Islanders coverage is 1/10th of this blog, and there are other sites better as well. I’ve stopped following Katie Strang on Twitter because all she does is tease articles that I’d have to pay to see.
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Lord Al says:
The teams that move to Brooklyn as stated by bloomberg and the bro. Pres. Must use the name of Brooklyn .
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kjs says:
As a Manhattanite, I went to a dull Devils game tonight. I can’t believe how provincial the Isles have been over the decades—not even a special bus to the NVMC for fans in NYC. Please move to Brooklyn or Willetts Point—my team will get the money instead of the Devils and their 2,000 fans who showed up tonight…
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Lord Al, are you sure about Islanders must use the name Brooklyn if they move into the borough? I think they should be keep their name even if they move to Brooklyn or Queens.
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At least there is Hockey Independent and this blog to counter the excellent reporting that Newsday reporters do. Sarcasm.
I wonder how long after the Isles head off to Brooklyn (or Queens) does it take for Nassau and TOH officials to start bad mouthing the Isles for not trying to work out a deal, abandoning their home, you know… the typical bs political game. Push someone away, then claim they abandoned you once they’re gone.
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D-man says:
jim clark: wang has already lost i would think 100 million on this team. he knew that going in. he also knew he could make it back with the real estate. who knew it could take this long. if that’s gone i don’t think he can just make all that back with tickets and hot dogs.
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Jason says:
If you’re coming from Nassau or Suffolk county, what bridge do you have to cross to get to Brooklyn or Queens?
Answer: None!!
Brooklyn and Queens are A PART OF LONG ISLAND!! And frankly, it kind of irritates me when people in Brooklyn and Queens say, “out on the Island”. – They are on the Island.
For those who have ever seen “Crowning Glory” – a documentary on Denis Potvin and Mike Bossy after they were inducted into the Hockey Hall Of Fame, when Denis Potvin was drafted by the NY Islanders, he thought he was going to New York (city). He had no concept of Long Island, per se.
Nationally, Long Island doesn’t have much of an idenity. If you’re a Long Islander and you go out of the New York area, and you tell people from New York, their thought immediately goes to sky scrapers and 3 million people… not some of the greatest golf courses, the best beach sand, and quaint mom and pop shops that are still in business.
Long story made short, the New York Islanders would be closer to what Denis Potvin was thinking when he first came to the Islanders in terms of location. Good thing? Bad thing? I don’t know in terms of the Islanders being moved from Nassau County to Brooklyn, but staying in the vacinity would certainly not be a loss.
With this being the case, the Islanders would still be the Islanders, but given the choice, I prefer that they stay in Nassau County, right where they are, with Charles Wang’s Light House concept… but if local politicians won’t allow it, Brooklyn is awesome, and no need for a name change.
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TM says:
YESS! If NYI go to Brooklyn I buy season tix the day they go on sale. Same for Queens. (Ratner’s report looks much like Goldman’s report last week)
I’m sick of LI’s small crowds at games, small team payroll, small minded politicians, small media and small results.
BROOKLYN – YES, QUEENS – YES, LI – NO!
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Thanks Hextall 31 for posting the article. To repeat what some others have said –
Moving to Brooklyn or Queens would be a million times better than Uniondale and the best thing to happen to this franchise since inception and the last Cup. (Even better than Tavares.)
Now if Wang sells it’d be icing on the cake.
Jim 36 – I’d love Ratner or the Russian as owner. Ratner had a long streak of Nets deep in the playoffs and even finals with J Kidd. They’re tanking this year to get the top draft pick and he said he’d buy plenty of FA’s next season. That’s NYI’s plan without the buying FA’s or spending any money part.
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OJK says:
Newsday still stinks. Well the owners Stink specifically. I’m sure the people who work there are harmless.
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For all those people who think they would have to change their name if they moved, who many lakes or in LA? There is NO Jazz in Utah. So just because a team moves, doesn’t mean a name change is needed. Plus, Brooklyn is technically on Long Island.
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VanVoorhees says:
Sorry guys, on a selfish note, Bring the Islanders down here to Williamsburg Virginia. You can all move down here with them. There’s lots of developable land and they’d be the only professional team in the state! – A pipe dream, Yes, but the Lighthouse project is beginning to sound like one too. Wang set a deadline, it’s come and gone, no significant development has taken place. If Brooklyn will take them, quit complaining – it’s a good thing.
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Ethan K says:
It’s time for Wang to turn the tables on Kate Murray. Nassau County needs the Islanders more than the Islanders need Nassau County. Have several meetings with Bruce Ratner, and make some serious planning on making this Brooklyn idea work. Make sure that word gets out about them, not just in Newsday. Then call Kate Murray and give her one last chance to start talking, or kiss the team goodbye. Even though it’s very convenient to live 15 minutes from Nassau Coliseum, I would still go to games if it was in Brooklyn. In fact, I’d prefer it at this point. Kate Murray should have lost the opportunity a long time ago. Let’s get the Brooklyn idea set in stone and move ASAP, and start being able to put money into the team and draw in free agents.
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Tom says:
This can only be taken as good news. Any location in NY metro area is AWESOME.
CB – As always this is the blog that gets the stories first. You were talking Brooklyn before anybody. Just recently another Blogger out there had a 1,000 word dissertation on how wrong you were about Brooklyn. Being first is great, being right is better…but you seem to be first AND right. Fantastic job. Thanks!
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mrlbem says:
I don’t think that Brooklyn would be good because it’s the heart of Ranger$ country. I think everyone is forgetting how entrenched the Ranger$ are in the area. It was difficult enough for the Islanders to make inroads on Long Island as an expansion team and it took one of the greatest teams of all time in any sport to make even a dent in the Ranger$ fanbase. Would the Brooklyn pride that everyone is talking about make lifelong Rag$ fans who live in Brooklyn all of a sudden become Islander fans? Doubtful.
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The question isn’t necessarily about attracting fans immediately. It’s about attracting fans over time. In 1972, the Isles had zero fans, by 1982 they had considerably more than zero. In 2013 let’s say, the Isles open up in Brooklyn they’ll be in MUCH better shape then they were in 1972. What kind of shape will they be in 2023? Better than 1998? Better than 2008? If the Isles can survive in Uniondale, they’ll thrive in Brooklyn. And let’s keep in mind, in 1972 the Isles didn’t have Tavares, they didn’t have history consisting of the best ever to play, they didn’t have 4 Stanley Cups…there’s no doubt, not even a little one, at least in my mind they can thrive anywhere in NY. Then you add in 2 or 3 ticker tape parades up the Canyon of Heros? Fahgettaboudit.
Don’t count the Islanders out. Never Say Die. I find the lack of faith in some Islander fans disturbing.
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dose says:
“if this happens… are they still called the islanders?”
no reason they shouldn’t. brooklyn is geologically on LI. the first “real” battle of the american revolution – which started less than a mile from the AY arena site – is called both ‘the battle of brooklyn’ and the ‘the battle of long island.’ and if brooklyn takes them in and embraces them, which i’d bet it will, then brooklyn deserves to call them ‘the brooklyn islanders.’ personally i think it sounds cool. and for purely selfish reasons, i hope this happens. i think it will awesome, for the team and the boro, and i think the team will be loved here.
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West Coast Fan says:
You don’t change the name, just like you don’t change the logo…
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Bill Scanlon says:
Here’s what needs to be done if they move to Brooklyn. Keep the Isles logo as it is with the addition of a fancy “B” on the map where Brooklyn is located. Make a small logo patch incorporating the fancy “B” and place it on the shoulders of the jersey. Also go back to the classic early 80′s uniform.
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51, i disagree. i don’t know anyone in my hood who cares about the rangers at all
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Paul says:
If the isles do move to brooklyn, I think they probably should amend the map logo to include both Brooklyn and Queens, as I believe it now only goes to the Nassau County/NYC border. Other than that, I’d say keep the same logos, name, etc. This organization doesn’t really have a good track record of changing logos so lets not go down that road again…
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If an LA team can keep the Lakers name, if Utah can keep the Jazz, there is no reason to change the name just because we move closer to the NY mainland.
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drive45 says:
Do the Rangers have any right per NHL bylaws to keep the Isles out of NYC? This move would really eat into the Rags fanbase over time.
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Im all for Brooklyn but we would not eat into the fanbase. We won four Cups in a row, NJ has 3 Cups, and our respective arenas are still overrun with ranger fans.
Maybe if we win a Cup in brooklyn we would but not before that happened
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tond24 says:
go to brooklyn
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If I recall, the Islanders had to pay a very high amount in 1972 ($5M) to the Rangers organization for infringing on their territory. It nearly bankrupted Roy Boe. At one point, Bill Torrey had to pay for for the hotel bills on roadtrips with his own credit card.
Debt paid, IMHO.
If the Islanders move to Brooklyn or Queens and want a financial-territory fight, bring it on…
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WCF – “You don’t change the name, just like you don’t change the logo…”
BS – “Keep the Isles logo as it is with the addition of a fancy “B” on the map where Brooklyn is located. Make a small logo patch incorporating the fancy “B” and place it on the shoulders of the jersey. Also go back to the classic early 80’s uniform.”
hell yeah. keep the original colors and logo and add a cool B there on the shoulder, or on a sleeve.
” the Islanders had to pay a very high amount in 1972 ($5M) to the Rangers organization for infringing on their territory.Islanders move to Brooklyn or Queens and want a financial-territory fight, bring it on… Debt paid,”
i’ve heard differing opinions on this and i don’t know the right one but for sure the already most heated rivalry in sports would be ratcheted up even higher with the brooklyn element and i’d hope the league would get it done somehow. -
odd thing is, Dolan would likely agree..as much as we may hate him, to Dolan we are programming for his network
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the whole thing seems so right in so many ways that i’m certain it won’t get done. somehow it’ll get screwed up.
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” the Islanders had to pay a very high amount in 1972 ($5M) to the Rangers organization for infringing on their territory.Islanders move to Brooklyn or Queens and want a financial-territory fight, bring it on… Debt paid,”
a) Sorry. I meant “if the [Rangers] want a new financial-territory fight…” I’m sure the rules have changed since the 1972-73 expansion. Anyhow, we’ve paid our debt to them. If we move, they win. We can’t lose—moving closer into their territory and grabbing some of their potential fanbase sounds very seductive.
b) Yes. Agree. It’s a heated rivalry. But Yanks/Red Sox, Giants/Cowboys, Manchester United/Manchester City fans, et al., would be laughing. It’s a local rivalry in the US’s fourth sport. Can you imagine how French Canadiens (Montreal) and Anglo Canadians (Toronto) went at it in the old days, if not now?
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“But Yanks/Red Sox, Giants/Cowboys, Manchester United/Manchester City fans, et al., would be laughing. It’s a local rivalry in the US’s fourth sport. Can you imagine how French Canadiens (Montreal) and Anglo Canadians (Toronto) went at it in the old days, if not now?”
those are all great, though kees/sox is the only one i’ve personally lived through first hand. there are others too, ie. michigan and ohio state, duke and north carolina, frazier and ali, athens and sparta. i guess there’s no right answer about THE best. suffice to say that when both teams are good, islanders/rangers is as intense as it gets, and the brooklyn angle would turn it up even higher.
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I’m biting my tongue, you dare call Hockey a fourth sport and belittle the Islanders / Rangers rivalry – and some how weave soccer into it? Shame on you – local rivalry…in the greatest city in the world? Islanders Rags games are the greatest show on earth, most fun you can have at a live sporting event, period. Let your soccer fans laugh, Football can’t even come close, your only good point is Canadiens and Leafs. -
I’ve been through the Isles/Rags rivalry for years. Went to college at the U of Michigan and know first hand the rivalry with the dirtballs from Ohio State. I’ve also lived in both NYC and walking distance from Fenway so I’ve seen the Yanks/Sox too. I’m a big Giants fan and hate the Cowboys. The biggest difference is that we live amongst Ranger fans. Isles/Rangers is like a civil war. We play them many times a year and run across their fans every day. Michigan only plays OSU once a year and it alternates stadiums each year. It sure is intense game week, but the rest of the year its not quite as crazy.
In my opinion, the Isles/Rangers rivalry is much more intense and fun. Just miss chanting 1940.
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i’m a jint fan too and the jint/dallas rivaly is great, but so is jint/eagles. they’re all great, but the point someone above made about ‘the civil war’ aspect and the local element is a great one. another unusual facet is that if you’re as old as me you know that all hockey fans in new york started as ranger fans. clearly the rivalry began as soon as the isles were born, but the real hatred (and i don’t like that word but it’s the only word that really describes this rivalry)started with the ’75 parise goal and the isles fast rise to prominence. that produced the jealousy among rag fans which then morphed into the two-way animosity that endures to this day. it’s great.
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JT-27 says:
I still think Willet’s Point is the best place to move to. A sports complex featuring the Mets, Islanders, Nets, and USTA would be amongst the best in the world. Tons of parking, highway. subway, and LIRR access, not to mention being feet away from one of NY’s best and most beautiful parks.
That said, Brooklyn is still a step up from Uniondale. Back in the day Brooklyn vs. New York (Manhattan or the Bronx) was the biggest rivalry in all of America. Can’t imagine how much greater Isles-Rags would be in Brooklyn!
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Oh and for the other “JT” out there (number 14 on this thread but number 27 on all of our hearts) I hafta give you props. I’d never want the name changed but I doubt many realize that the curse was started by the owner of the old “Brooklyn Americans.”
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James says:
Islanders in Brooklyn? Hell YES! There’s a new LIRR train station a block away from the future Atlantic Yards. No more forking over half the price of a ticket for parking, or, Nassau cops waiting to pull over random fans leaving the parking lot. Let’s not forget a new arena and less DUI’s. If the Isles are provided first class amenities maybe they’ll start playing like the first class organization we all know they are. The Islanders, and their fans, are all welcome in Brooklyn.
If it keeps the Islanders in New York, Brooklyn or Queens here we come. Shame on the coverage and investigative journalism Long Island’s paper is giving Long Island’s team. Have fun at Social tonight everyone, wish I could be there. Let’s go Islanders!