THE FIX: EXTEND MATT MOULSON?
NYI should lock up LW for three additional seasons
Today begins an occasional segment on what the Islanders can do during the second half of this season to get their very slow and often unsteady rebuild back on track, and have the public feel better about the franchise. We call it The Fix.
Who: Matt Moulson, the Islanders’ 30-goal scorer who could become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.
What: The Islanders should lock up the productive, reliable and likable Moulson for three additional seasons.
How Much: $3.5 million per season sounds about right for the rebuilding Islanders to be able to hold on to one of their own for three more years. (More on that later).
When: The Islanders have from now through June 30 to speak with Moulson’s agent exclusively to get a deal done. Contracts could not be agreed to until January 1, 2011 for players like Moulson on one-year deals. If he remains unsigned on July 1, the other 29 teams can talk to his agent.
Why: Because the franchise does not want to take a step back by losing one of its own – a top-six forward with great hands who has the respect of their young core players, including John Tavares.
Key Stat: Since the beginning of last season, Moulson is eighth in goal scoring among NHL left wings. Ahead of him: Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Semin, Dany Heatley, Rick Nash, Ilya Kovalchuk, Daniel Sedin, Loui Eriksson.
Background: In canvassing opinions for this post, there was one constant refrain: even to retain the services of a player the Islanders gave an opportunity to and a player who likes it here, the Islanders are going to have to pay “on the high end of the scale” for Moulson. Emailed one agent:
They are still a few years away. No progress on an arena. With what’s happened there this season, they’ll have to pay significantly to keep him if he continues to play well. Moulson has worked hard and this will be his big payday. The Islanders gave him a chance, but he has earned this. I don’t think there is going to be a discount. There shouldn’t be.
Final Analysis: After scoring 30 goals last season, the 27-year-old Moulson is one of the Islanders’ leaders in points and is on pace to score between 25-35 again. For good reason, Islanders management does not see him as a one-season wonder. His all-around game continues to evolve. The Islanders should send a positive message to their players and their fans and sign Moulson to a three-year contract extension. If the Islanders cannot find a way to keep Moulson, faith would take another blow.
Yay or Nay to a three-year extension for Matt Moulson? Have your voice heard. Your answers and reasoning on this specific topic are welcomed in Comments.
209 Responses to THE FIX: EXTEND MATT MOULSON?
NYI should lock up LW for three additional seasons
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Bri On LI says:
Absolutely. Sign him up. It’s the next logical progression in the big rebuild.
My only concern is a sudden announcement of Rick’s retirement and his new role as assistant GM…
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AJAX says:
That is EXACTLY what SHOULD be done. Unfortunately, the this teams overseers have NO clue how to build a winning team.
I don’t see this happening.
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sign guy says:
Yes Moulson has proven himself and is part of the rebuild.
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Mike says:
I think it was a mistake to only lock him up for one year during his RFA. We have to redeem ourselves and give this kid the contract that he deserves. The earlier it’s addressed, the better. We have enough to worry about this offseason with around 12 regulars being either UFA or RFA’s.
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Vincent says:
yes… but they might not since they should.
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agreed, 3 yrs sounds right. I have to agree with Snowy about staying near the cap floor. Now that the young players are maturing and there contracts are coming up for renewal, mgmt has the money to sign them and keep the team together
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Michael from Toronto says:
These talks should have started January 1. Everyone wants a top six forward that has some size, goes to the net and can score. The Isles have one right under their nose. Get this deal done now!
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yeah
1) likable guy
2) homegrown rebuild success story
3) tight with tavares
4) scores most of his goals in close, pays the price forhis success.
5) he seems to like it here, the fans like him, hes been a successful player. sometimes, it really is this simple. -
Isles66 says:
Well like by all fans. Close friend and linemate of JT. Headed for 25+ goals second year in row. How do you not keep him ???? Oh wait, it’s up to s-NO-w clue…..
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Battfist says:
Yay
Lets Go Islanders!
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Yes, I was hoping for that before they went to arbitration last season. Three years and at a fair and reasonable rate for what he does for this team should make everyone happy. Especially me!
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Rich 55 says:
Agree with CB on all points. I don’t think Snowang will let this get away unless MM tries to stick em up.
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Build the Buzz says:
Of-Course. Absolutely !
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shlo says:
Islanders like the army: if it makes sense you don’t do it………..
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Jamie says:
Islanders should resign Matt Moulson but 3.5 million a year is the max they should spend. I was thinking more like 3 years at 3 million per. Total 9 million.
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Islander Pride says:
Yay 100%
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mark p says:
Thats alot of money and years…..Do other teams see him as a first liner with #1 PP minutes? He is likely a 2nd liner 20 goal 40 point guy on a good team. Stepniak struggled to get paid last year.
I like MM…he is a good player….I want him on my team.
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TradeUp says:
Yes, but I would look for a discount. I don’t see Moulson getting the type of first line minutes and opportunities to score on any other team as he does with the Isles. We know Moulson likes playing alongside JT and we gave him his big break. Also, with an understanding of the financial constraints the team operates under, maybe he cuts us a little break. I can dream, can’t I?
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Phil says:
Yay
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Phil from Switzerland says:
A Moulson extension would also benefit JT. Having a friend around keeps you happy regardless of the results…
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geduffer says:
Affirmative. Not signing Moulson before he gets to July 1 would prove that managements are even bigger idiots than everyone seems to think.
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JT says:
Lock him up. It would be a shame to lose Matt. He has great chemistry with JT and the rest of the team, and provides much-needed scoring depth. Let’s let him continue to mature with this team and see where it takes them. The NYI gave him a chance, he’s earned it an extension, and has shown that he is the real deal.
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Ryan says:
Moulson has proven to me that he is not a one-year wonder, which I admit I thought he might be after last season. I believe Snow and Wang will make an offer comparable to the one CB mentioned. What we may have to worry about is Moulson wanting to play elsewhere. If he goes to free agency and receives offers similar to whatever the Isles offer him, he may opt to play on a contender. This is yet another reason that it is important to play well the rest of the season. We know the playoffs are almost certainly out of reach, but it could go a long way to get Tavares, Moulson, Okposo, Hamonic, etc. excited about the franchise and its direction.
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David from Sweden says:
Goal-scorers are rare these days so yes, lock him up.
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Akeem says:
CB,
In terms of players around the league the last few seasons in similar situations, ie coming off a season of 30 goal production without much else before that, and apparently headed for a second, what kind of contracts have been doled out the past couple of seasons? -
Richie66 says:
Im ok for 3 years but not at 3M per. I would offer 2M per but a bunch of incentives which if reached can pay an additional 2-3M
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Easyisle says:
Agree entirely – 3 years building from 3.5 to 4.0 per. Gives him solid $$ and the chance to bail if things are still murky leading up to the 2015 drop-dead date. When the budget is limited you have to pick and choose wisely; hands + attitude make this a pretty easy decision.
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Josef says:
With the Islanders near the cap minimum, he is a must sign player. Especially if you want to eventually resign Tavares. Throw 10 million over three years at him. Even at 25 goals a year that’s fair market value. As of right now loyal fans have about two Jersey purchasing options and the likable Moulson would definitely sell his share of them if they locked him up.
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isles6 says:
If you want to prove you are trying to build a team the right way, then you have no choice. It will send a serious message one way or the other.
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PotvinRocks says:
I completely agree. Moulson has earned a 3 year deal but because you wrote this Snow will trade him to spite you.
I think that if nothing else Moulson has given Tavares a comfort level with the NHL. Just like Jean Potvin did for Dennis. -
Matt 85 says:
YAY. It’s tough to find guys who go to the net hard, have good instincts around the net, and the hands to finish it. He plays the game the right way, handles himself well, and leads by example. He also doesn’t score in blowout games, he scores late in close games and comes up big when it counts.
As far as the discount goes, there shouldnt be one. Moulson has been mostly a minor leaguer making very little money the last few years. He either is getting married soon or just got married, he’s going to be starting a family, and he earned the chance to set his family up for years to come. As a pro athlete you never know when the end of your career will come, and he must cash in on this opportunity because there may not be another one. I’m sure the islanders understand that, and I can only hope they’ll pay him accordingly.
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dan says:
Agreed but if he is not signed by the deadline he should be moved to the highest bidder. I would rather see him stay!
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Gabe says:
Moulson will not agree to a contract until the season is over. Given that he’s nearly a lock for 30 goals, he would hurt his bargaining position by signing a deal before April. He can then negotiate a deal based on a proven track record of back-to-back 30 goal campaigns. The number of back-to-back 30 goal scorers in this league is extremely limited – it’s like an exclusive club at this point. It doesn’t matter that he did with the Isles. He’s got a leg to stand on for a big payday and unfortunately, the Isles stand to lose in this. I think a 3 year $10million dollar deal makes sense for both sides. It would be nice if Moulson gave the Isles a break as they did for him. However, business decisions typically don’t work out this way. Once the demands go north of 3 year, $12 million, Isles are out. Let’s hope it doesn’t go that far.
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Stumpy32 says:
Obviously, this is a no-brainer. However, like what seems to be the consensus, I don’t get why Moulson wouldn’t want to at least test free agency. While he may love playing here, no one can possibly know his value. If he gets a ridiculous offer from another team that the Isles can’t (or won’t) match, then there’s no reason for him not to take it. Like CB said, this is his big payday. I think he’s gonna wait to take it.
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BB says:
Of course we should and of course we won’t!! Which will in-effect another message to the Fans and JT were this organization is headed. No Discount this time, 3 years is right!!!
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Dave says:
not even a question – on pace for 30 again this year, one of the few young, proven NHL players we have…would set things back horribly to let him walk. his intangibles are the icing on the cake. would be severely disappointed in the team if they couldn’t find a way to keep him.
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TTAFS says:
Why would he accept 3.5 mil per year? A young player entering his prime and coming off two 30 goal seasons (if he stays on pace this year) is worth more than 3.5 million, no? He could definitely get more on the market.
Think Patrick Sharp. In the 07-08 season he got a four year extension at around 4 mil per year coming off a 20 goal season (his first full NHL season). Why would Moulson, in a very similar (if not better) statistical situation, take less money for fewer years on a team with questionable leadership, a questionable future, and a bad league reputation?
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Oncesince1940 says:
Extend Matty. This is a deal breaker for my loyalty to this team.
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So it’s been what… 4 days now? I’m getting a bit anxious. Should have been announced when the ball dropped.
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Healy says:
Moulson gets results because he battles hard and goes to the net every chance he gets. (its amazing how many pro players ignore this simple move). He’s got quick hands in close to convert BUT he’s not terribly fast or very good at handling the puck. He needs someone to get him that puck in front of the net and I beleive he benefits playing with JT. I think $10 Million over 3 years is fair.
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Tex in the City says:
YAY — based on interviews I’ve seen, he does seem to like it here, and he definitely has chemistry with Tavares. It would be foolish not to make a serious attempt to sign him.
The problem is, there are more attractive teams to play for at the moment. Hopefully he is willing to buy into the rebuilding, as it were, and wants to stick around on a team that did give him a chance (‘deserved’ or not, no other team saw it fit to do so) and that at least for the next little while has his good buddy Tavares on the payroll.
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MoreDraftPicks says:
Absolutely should -if not, the Rangers surely will. Do we wanna lose one of our “own” to the Rangers? Hayill no
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UIF says:
Obviously they should do what they can to re-sign Moulson. If we get a line about him wanting too much money and then he signs somewhere else for $2.5-3m/yr, it’ll be yet another crushing blow to this organization’s credibility. Heck, even if he’s looking for 4-5m/yr, just sign him to a 2-year deal and it won’t disrupt things too much (OK, 5 is a little high, but if “no one else will sign here,” as we’re always told, and if our best assets can only bring back picks and prospects in trades, then how else are we going to replace his 30 goals/yr?). There’s nothing wrong with signing players for big dollars. It’s adding a ridiculous amount of years to those big dollars that gets teams in trouble.
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Peter says:
Do the right thing Snow, Wang. Lock up Moulson!!!!
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Brian G says:
Would still prefer a 2 year deal for Moulson…but 3 years for 10 mil should be the maximum and would be a very fair deal for both the player and the organization…if the Isles offer him 3 for 10 mil, he should take it right away, I doubt he will get a 3 year deal from any other team.
PS: Moulson should have chose the party, they need to start playing that commercial again.
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Dhamma73 says:
Yes, yes, yes. Go 3 yrs, 12 mil if you have to. Moulson takes just as big a risk if he waits too long.
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Pat says:
Get it done now. I’d go as high as 4 million a year. But if he says he’s going to test the free agent waters you have to trade him and just maybe we could resign him then. Hope it gets done now.
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John says:
Continue to talk contract with him until the Trade Deadline. I’d go as high as 3 yrs/9-9.5 million. If he does not accept, trade him for nothing short of a 2nd Round pick and a conditional pick. If he signs before the deadline, then that’s great too! Win-win either way.
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hyedray says:
Keeping Moulson as an Islander would kill any rumors that the Islanders are not willing to spend money. This is a chance to keep a player that has become one of their own. At the same time, there is overpayment by going to perhaps $4 mil per year, and then there is overpayment of going beyond that. If Moulson’s contract requests are far off the $3.5-$4.0 mil range, I would understand why a trade prior to the deadline would be required.
Ultimately, it would benefit the franchise, and lock up a scoring threat, which the Isles have had struggle with. There is more than enough cap space to make sure that we keep Moulson, as well as resign Bailey, Okposo and add more players as need.
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Tom says:
It’s a no brainer
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Bill O says:
I Totally agree, it sends a positive signal to the team. If you are coachable, a team player and are productive you will get paid accordingly. It also sends a postive sign to future potential UFA with other teams.
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Tom says:
Absolutely they should resign him. However, I don’t see it happening until the regular season is over, and perhaps not until after the playoffs are over. I think MM and the Islanders will want to see what happens with comparative players. But I do see the team locking him up for 3 years. He’s proven that he can play at this level, and he’s proven that he’s a great line mate for Tavares. Think about Pittsburgh and their struggles with finding wingers for Crosby. Would it be easy to find a different LW for Tavares? Doubt it. Lock him up at $3-4 mil. per year for 3 years.
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Steve says:
For sure. 3 years is right, however, I hope he is not the long term soloution for Tavares as a top line winger. He would make a great second liner if he can find some chemistry with Bailey, though.
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Andre says:
I think a 3 year/10.5 million dollar contract is fair (3.5 million annually)and to be honest Moulson is probably the best and most realistic free agent scoring winger the Islanders will attract, so if they lose Moulson (we know they are not getting Parise or Semin), this franchise will continue to fall into oblivion and remain irrelevant to NHL. I don’t think Moulson deserves more than that because he is still at most 50 point guy. He is not going to light up point total even if he plays with Tavares.
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Richie66- there is no such thing as an incentive-based contract, unless it is signed when the player is over 35 years of age. That’s why absolutely nobody does what you are saying for players like Moulson.
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LIT says:
YES! He is the glue that will keep JT here for many years..
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RA says:
Totally agree with this. Once again CB, your the thought leader for the Islander fan base! Thanks!
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Barb says:
Not to get too old school but there is a Bossy,Trottier thing going on with Moulson and Tavares. They can and will grow to trust each other, work as a unit and both players will be better for it.This team can’t let that possibility get away.This needs to get done NOW!
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StevieL says:
Are we contenders or pretenders? This is the signing that will determine whether mgmt. is serious about building a winner! What does it take to be a no brainer signing on this team? If Moulson is allowed to walk , every young guy on this team will take notice, and more than likely , follow his footsteps!
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Yippy Yappe Uwe says:
Couldn’t agree more. Plus, its not everyday, I get to root for a classmate on the Islanders!
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The New Isles GM says:
CB – Love articles like this. It makes me think, if your thinking this in those words then Garth has to think about this. I remember last year you wrote a piece that had 10 things Garth and Wang could do to bring hope back to the organization. They were statements like bringing Kirill Petrov here, making Okposo the captain, Signing a top 6 forward, having a fun draft party that doesn’t cost money, things of that nature. I felt like none of them came true. But you insisted that if most of them had, fans would feel that positive feeling and excitement for a team that didn’t make the playoffs and had suffered another lottery pick in the draft. I remember responses being very positive and filled with excitement including mine. I just wonder if Garth will actually stick to his philosophy between now and the start of next season. If he doesn’t sign Moulson, I think it’s pretty safe to say the Isles are packing it in until 2015 and we shouldn’t expect much. They think attendance is bad now, could you imagine what fans will think next year if #26 isn’t in orange in blue?
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Mike says:
Completely agree. Plus, from what I understand, he’s close with JT — a player the Islanders want happy.
Lock him up!
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ed says:
Think the first move is to extend JT. Then Moulson will have his incentive to sign a contract that both sides like. If JT’s agent is honest about looking for an extension, Islanders should be all over that
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Hock says:
What Isles mgt does will be very telling of the direction we are heading:
1) Signing him will show some stability (we gave him a chance, he worked hard and produce, he gets rewarded….makes sense).
2) Letting him go for nothing in return (senseless!!!)
3) Trading him (he certainly is a good asset and can probably fetch something interesting, but can’t see it happening…. he is a player we sorely need skill wise and also a great guy)If he departed, I would also be nervous about Tavares staying, although keeping them together just because they are friends should not be (and is not) the main reason he should stay. He’s an important building block for this team.
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Steven says:
They’ll offer him 1 year or 30 years but nothing in between…
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Smitty031 says:
Yay
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Mikamakela says:
Why pay him when we can get a draft pick n stay in last place every year?
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Petey Pete says:
Nay. He’s not going to sign a favorable extension when he’s got his big 4 year/$20M contract waiting for him elsewhere.
Trade him now and get whatever draft picks you can. Unless we want to go back and revisit all the other high-scoring LW’s we’ve lost to Free Agency in the last 5 years.
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Blizzard says: …signing MM is a no brainer. The country is watching closely. If he is not signed it will speak volumes.
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Styles15 says:
I agree CB. I think Moulson is a valuable player on the ice and in the locker room. He is clearly good friends with JT and appears to be well liked by fellow players. He is young and fits in well with our core of younger talent. I do not think a discount is warranted. Why should the islanders demand Moulson take a discount to play for our team? In case anyone has not noticed, we are young, small market team. Monster clubs like the Flames, Rangers, Leafs would gladly pay 3.5 and more for a guy like Moulson to score thirty goals and win some games.
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claude says:
JT needs his other two line mates to able to carry and set up play in offensive zone. Parenteau seems to have no problem but Moulson just cant, too slow. Moulson is good from the hash marks in.
But as GM if I could find a throughbred with equilivant hockey sense around net? I dunno.
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In fact, I think we should be giving Moulson more for his work. I think a 4 year/16mil deal would do it.
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Islebethere4u says:
I think he wants to stay with tavares. 110% try to keep him. He’s proven himself, so reward him. Crazy if you don’t keep him. Probably should’ve tried in November to get him signed. Might have been easier then. If this little streak isn’t a fluke, the faster The Isles try to sign him the better. Don’t wait. If He goes, then I don’t care what anyone thinks, Tavares won’t be far behind.
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Eric says:
No question. Do it soon and send a message to the fans and the players that the Islanders will pay for productivity. While you’re at it, lock up Grabner too for at least another year.
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Eric says:
Got to agree with #61. Moulson was OUR find or Garth Snow’s. He deserves credit. Moulson is a solid solid player. Better then I expected half way through last season. He proved to me the last 15 games last season that he was the real deal playing his best hockey. This guy is going to have a BIG playoff moment in his career. He can have 6 goals in a 7 game series because he is that X factor kind of player like a Holstrom that EVERY team would love to have but their are very few of them in the nhl. He scores 5-10 feet from the net consistantly thats why he will do so well in the post season. He can be a first liner with the right players because all he has to do is stay 5-10 feet from the net. I like Moulson a lot and it be a big message to not sign him. It would show the fans that you are not interested at wining at all until you get a new arena in 2015. All we have is hope as Islanders fans. Not signing Moulson, your gem find, best friends with Tavares..well I might lose all hope. What would be a reason to resign him? Wake up Wang. If the Islanders do not sign Moulson this team is finished I am telling you. Tavares will hear the message loud and clear and he will be next and the islanders will again be bottom 5 next season. GET IT DONE WANG!
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Yes Ofcourse. Only question easier than this one is “should we keep breathing”…
Note: If the Islanders dont do everything to retain him, the fans and current roster should get the message loud and clear.
No snowjob or PR smokescreen from Snow, Wang, or Any Islander Spin-doctor should be able to disguise the negative message attached to letting Moulson walk away….
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Jim Clark says: If the Golden Moulson would accept the deal, the Islewangers should do it. But I’m sure Don Fehr is telling players and their agents to grab every dollar they can, no matter where. So I think there will be a deadline deal with Moulson sent away and Wang/Snow bragging about their trading acumen and pleading for the Lighthouse.
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MarioGazz says:
NO they should lock him up for 5 yrs.
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Losing Moulson would devastate me….and I think it would have a very negative on the team and of course JT.
How is he NOT worth a 3 year extension?
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Jim says:
To me this is an important signing for the Isles as it will speak volumes about where Wang’s head truly is. I have been onboard for this rebuild even though it has been very frustrating and I still would like to see Wang sell.
I cannot name one terrible move Snow has made so far. If they don’t sing Moulson or Okposo (who I think will also be free this summer) then it will say to me that cutting costs is Wang’s top priority and not the rebuild. That’s when I get off this rollercoaster.
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Lean Cugine says:
Fa La La ..La La La… Lock it up….
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Toby says:
hmmmmm. . . i dunno . . . . just kidding. yes yes yes. he’s on the better side of 30 and has respect from teammates and leadership abilities. a great attitude as well.
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jon from nj says:
As mentioned above, they should. But exactly because they should, they won’t.
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PTA says:
I have been waiting for this piece Chris, thanks. To me, this is the major indiciator regarding the sincerity of Snow and Wang. If we lose Moulson, everything they have said would be BS and there would be no reason to believe anything they say.
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JDP says:
Give me a reason Moulson should sign an extension? He holds ALL the cards. He’d be completely insane not to test the market.
Can we bump this post when he gets dealt before the deadline?
+1 for Jim Clark @77.
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DoubleW says:
I say trade him to Montreal. they will overpay for a guy who would be a great spokes person for their beer. Imagine Matt Moulson playing form the Molson Canadian owned Montreal Canadiens!
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Nick in NYC says:
Moulson is a no brainer and an extenstion would send a nice message to JT who loves playing with him.
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chos500 says:
Wont happen. Garth pulling the trigger VERY early on Wiz and Roli shows there is something going on behind the scenes.
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Brett says:
The Islanders have Spin Doctors? Cool!
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Absolutely, sign Matt as soon as possible! Let’s see, a very likable, homegrown young player who is just starting to hit his stride, is very durable, crashes the net and oh yeah, –he SCORES! I’m sure Garth will sign him to a fair deal. If there is anyone who deserves to be shown the money, It’s Matt. I don’t see anyone else who is a free agent and fits into this rebuild as well as Matt. This is a chance for management to send a message to their young core and the rest of the league, We will sign the right players!
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goowy says:
Love Moulson. He will not accept anything less than 4.5 million. All the other guys on that list are making over 6 million (Semin will get at least 5 million this summer). This guy isn’t Cheechoo. He’s not a one hit wonder. Moulson is putting up 7 million dollar work playing with mediocre or really young, unproven guys.
3.5 million is just unrealistic.
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don’t forget Okposo and Bailey NEED to be resigned. That may be too much money for Garth to spend.
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Hollywood says:
Make him a legit offer and I’m sure he’ll sign. He should be part of the core. I don’t think he’s a first line winger but he should be here with JT, JB and KO.
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ClarkGillies says:
Is Garth capable of negotiating a real contract under 12 years ?
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Al L says:
This again will be another test of sincerety(Rebuild or Austerity)! Matt Moulson has earned his stripes and would be a fine addition to any team. The kid has character and slowly but surely has become a silent leader respected by all,not to mention sure handed scorer willing and able to get his nose dirty.
The available Cap Space here has already burned a seven alarm fire in Wangs pocket. It is time he applies some of it,don’t ya think? Pay the Man and pick up Michael Leighton while your at it!!!
Snow and Wang should desire Moulson’s presence here more than the latter. Hopefuly it is not too late to show it!! -
Isle be Damned says:
It would be a huge punch to the gut if they don’t resign him.
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Moulson has been Golden and happens to be my favorite Beer give him 3 years CB
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Irish Isle says:
100% Agree
I have no problem with the Wisniewski or Roloson trades. They made sense for a team that is not contending this season.
That being saif, there is no way Garth can trade Moulson. He is productive on ice, and is best friends with the franchise superstar. Garth needs to sign him before the trade deadline. I would be willing to give him up to 4 mil a season. -
dack1972 says:
Yes sign Moulson- 3 years 2.5 per is fair. Why is everyone so negative towards Garth. It takes time-he took over a team that had NO prospects. He can’t rebuild a team that had no foundation in 3 years. I think Garth has done a worderful job in drafting and staying patient even though with all the pressures he gets from the fans. Look at the so called genius Burke in Toronto- he’s set that franchise backwards- we will be a powerhouse in few years if Garth remains patient.
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James C from RVC says:
The production is fantastic but there is something more important being built with the younger core of the isles right now mainly Moulson, Tavares, Shremp, Bailey, Nielsen, KO (and even recently Parenteau to an extent) and eventually will spread to the younger Martin, Joensuu and Hamonic (possibly Wishartas well). The camaraderie is the reason we need to lock up Moulson, the numbers are just the rationalization.
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Justin Marques says:
Five years, $15 million. He has another year or two before he even hits the prime of his career. A five-year contract allows for the salary to drop down to a hit of only $3 million per season, but it also allows for a five-year commitment in which the Islanders could easily see five seasons of 30-40 goals from Moulson. By keeping the salary cap hit low, the Islanders would also be maintaining plenty of room to resign Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Grabner, Hamonic, and deHaan for the long term. There is a more promising future in this organization than most people think. Just wait until we draft another top-ten pick this year and our depth has people quite intrigued. Name all the potential top-six forwards we have in the organization and you will see there just aren’t enough roster spots anymore.
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MIKE says:
Yeah lock the guy up. He can put the puck in the net. JT seems to like him around. Hes not going to break the bank. Sign him Snow, you idiot.
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JT-27 says:
Sign-n-trade!
Moulson is a nice player having a nice couple of years. Don’t count on it lasting, I PROMISE that this is as good at gets!
In a couple of years, when MM is 30 the Isles will have at least 3 younger, faster, more talented LW’s (Nino, Petrov, Grabner) who will all be more productive than him.
In terms of young talent Isles look good at Center (JT, Bailey) at D (Travis, CdH) and at G (Poulin, Koskinen).
Aside from Okposo however they have no RWs. Use Moulson to bring back a righty shot so that they can then push Comeau and Parenteau down a line. Neither of those dudes belong on the 1st or 2nd line and the turnaround can’t happen until there is depth everywhere.
Trade Moulson and get some depth at RW!
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Lafontaine16 says:
I think they should sign him for sure 4 years 14 million. An extra year given to avoid him going to market. Sometimes waiting isn’t the best thing. Look at Lee Stempniak, he scored something like 30 goals last year and wasn’t signed till later in the summer I believe. Moulson is a smart guy too, sometimes the grass isn’t always greener somewhere else, and if he is having success and fun with a close buddy like Tavares why would you leave.
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25yearfan says:
Tough to work this one – comp-wise, he’s in some rarefied air — then again on another team, he’s probably not out there as much / getting the same points….
4 years x 3.5 / year = 14 million should lock him up until he’s ~30, shows some commitment from NYI Mgmt. League should start voiding any contracts > 4 years (hey the president can only serve 4 years, why not).
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Alex says:
Give MM 4 or 5 years. The problem with a 3 year deal is that Moulson will still be in his prime when his contract is up at age 30, and then the young crop of Isles prospects (KO, Nino, JT, Bailey, Hamonic, De Haan, etc.) will only be beginning to hit their prime then. Moulson most likely would not be locked up for a team that would make a serious run at the cup. If the Isles gave Hunter 5 years, there’s no reason they should not give Moulson years. Free up some salary by dumping hunter via trade, waivers, or buyout. At this rate, he does not seem to have a solidified spot in a future lineup being built for success.
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Kaszycki's Krew says:
I would do 3 years at 4 mill or 4 years at 3.5 mill as my opening. The key point I would make to him is to use Jason Blake as an exhibit – that he left a situation where he thrived to go to a destination where he didn’t know if he was a “fit”. That is no worry on Long Island. He is clearly a “fit”. I would have to get this deal done by the deadline. From what I recall CB – they cannot do a “sign and trade” deal ? I am not advocating dealing him. I *am* advocating that we either sign him – or get some value for him and not be in any way shape or form – stuck with him walking away at end of year. My preference is to SIGN HIM NOW.
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3 years for $10 million sounds about right. I like MM and he seems to have chemistry with JT. Additionally, goal scoring left wings are hard to find and the Isles don’t have a ton of depth in the system on the off side.
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Frank Di Pietro says:
there’s so much speculation about whether Snow/Wang are actually trying to rebuild a contendor or whether it’s an excuse to run a franchise at the lowest possible cost until the earliest time they can get out of Long Island. The signing or non-signing of MM will be a big indicator of whether they ACTUALLY want to build a contender. So, we’ll see……
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Mike B says:
Keep dreaming. Wang/Snow will never spend money on this team and thus will not spend the money necessary to keep Moulson Every move they make is designed solely to save money and pay the minimum they are required to.
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EAF says:
they would probably sing Doug Weight for another year or two instead
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Y2G says:
The one good thing Snow did in his tenure was finding Moulson and giving him a legit shot. In fact, you could say the Moulson signing gave Snow back some of his legitimacy as a GM after the DP contract. I know this is the isles but if Snow can’t possibly think letting him walk is a bright idea. If Snow had any ego he’d resign the guy. On a side note Calvin DeHaan was outplayed by fellow blueliners Ellis & Gudbranson throughout the entire WJC, I hope Garth knew what he was doing when he passed on Cam Fowler. Cizikas has been awesome though and should be killin’ penalties for us for the next decade.
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LouD says:
YAY! Absolutely yay and if they don’t sign Moulson it will show us everything we need to know and have suspected, they don’t care about the team on the ice. This is a no brainer. When you have guys who produce and you’re trying to become a great team you sign those players. When you have guys who produce but you don’t sign them what are you telling the fan base? What are the Islanders going to tell us about the future of this team?
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Justin says:
Yay
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Islander86 says:
Yes. Isles must sign Moulson.
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Bryan says:
Need to resign him, he’s a proven commodity. Besides that, he’s close with JT which might help us down the road. I think the Isles will up the years to save some money. 4 yrs $14mill or maybe 8 yrs $24mill haha
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matt2191 says:
YES, with out a doubt, should this even be a question? i thought personally he was a good addition to the rebuilding process, you need people like him. YES PLEASE
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Mark says:
i like the idea but i bet he gets traded at the deadline more some magic beans…
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csk says:
this should be the team’s priority 1, 2 & 3
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Hishutzi Skorz says:
Let’s not overlook the fact that he is not an all around forward. No PK, not great defensively, and quite honestly, the best puck carrier on his line is PA.
10-11M over three seems fair. If he is offered this type of contract and opts for free agency, it’s not on Garth.
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Gary says:
yes, for sure–I guess hes being traded then
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2Bit says:
If the Isles fail to sign MM they will certainly lose a large portion of the fan base that is left. They MUST sign MM!!
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Kevin says:
Yes absolutely. No brainer. Do we have the cap room? LOL
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Tim F. says:
Re-sign Matt!! He has been one of the few bright spots the last two years. I love his work ethic, and I think that he will continue to improve.
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Garthsnow says:
I say he gets 5 years 21.3 million. That is respectable and if the Isles are going after a big name player in the future, you need guys like Moulson to complement.
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Never Happen says:
Yes he should be locked up immediately if not sooner but anything that makes sense the Isles will not do. If Moulson was smart he would run like H-E-double hockey sticks. LOL. Matty will cash in somewhere else, probably with a contender. Why would anyone want to play for such a poorly run organization. I love the Islanders and always will but it’s hard to be optimistic with this team.
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cgs878 says:
Yes, resign Moulson for $3.5m-4m per, minumum 3 years. My 9 year old daughter would be thrilled… she LOVES him. Heh.
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jimbones says:
Yes but I say Snow trades him for “future consideration”.
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Ct 1970s says:
We have a good group of individual players
who seem to be evolving into a strong hockey team and with some of the draft picks still in Bridgeport or elsewhere may give us a team to compete for the Stanley Cup. I also think Capuano is doing a great job with this team, taking it at least at the present, to a level none of us expected as this year wore on. -
TimQ says:
Absolutely yes. Every team needs players that can contribute 20-30 goals per year. We have one and shouldn’t let him go
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Don't Mind the Haters says:
What agent will say “you can get him on the cheap because of the opportunity the ‘team’ has given ‘x’ player!!!”
3.25/year over 3 years would by my max limit.
Hopefully we could sign him for 3 mill/year over 3 years, but it’s not my money.
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isles72 says:
maybe matt trades $$ for a few extra years of security
5 year , 15 mil.
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RD says:
Absolutely YAY! He is on pace to score about 35 goals this year and has become a leader on this team. Reminds me a lot of Ryan Smyth. I would even take it a step furtherand give him a 4-6 year deal. On another note, he is Tavare’s good friend and might be smart move to keep Moulson and Tavares together.
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Sumo Goalie says:
Got to hit the cap floor somehow and Weight will be collecting Social Security checks soon – can’t use him to get there forever.
Oh, and he’s good too. Doesn’t hurt.
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Anne says:
Absolutely. He should be re-signed as soon as humanly possible.
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John says:
Sign the guy and go a little further and give him a 4-year deal… he may take a little less dollars for an extra year.
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gary9-19-22 says:
With the talent coming on board in the next few years I would only go 3 years with MM. If we have to, I would go a fourth year but would fully expect to lower the cap hit by at least 500K per year.
On the other hand, the organization has not proven yet that they are really serious about the rebuild plan. All they have proven is that they want to stay at the cap floor.
This year will be interesting. If we resign MM and show a long term investment commitment to our developing players than I will fully buy into the Garth/Wang plan. Otherwise… it’s all BS.
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ASL says:
If the Islanders do not find a way to re-sign Moulson and they trade him for picks, my 20+ years as a season ticket holder are over. I will be convinced that I am just wasting my money.
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Here’s a good one. Who will get back to the playoffs first. The Islanders or the Devils? Then we can see which system works?
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Strummmer's Army says:
I agree 100%! He earned it (not like Yashin). Snow has had a good week in acquiring a 2nd, 5th, and Wishart, this would be another good step.
It would be a PR boost and make us fans feel better and it’s wise.
If Snow is going to attract players they want to see guys like playing here and that they are rewarded for their good work.
I’m trying to think who else is UFA, I wouldn’t keep Martinek or Sim, I’d try to move Parenteau in trade, and I may sign Jurcina pending what ele I can get done before the deadline or summer.
Hope Poulin gets a start.
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dug says:
Garth loses credibility if he does not re-sign MM. He pushed his way onto the roster, having been signed to add scoring in Bport. For everything that has been said about what he cannot do, he is a goal scorer at the NHL level. Do not kid yourself, he is not Jason Blake, hogging the puck skating around while trying to score. If they let him go, he will score anywhere he goes.
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CSM says:
A MUST! Just get it done! I wear the #26 tee proudly.
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Cold Spring Harbor says:
The new Mrs. Moulson is counting on a multiple year extension otherwise it is back to Doug Weight’s cabana.
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tom27 says:
Its such a no brainer…….and thats what scares us all.
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isles14 says:
100%.i hope this gets done.would make me feel much better about waiting for a winning team.
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Numbers65 in Ohio says:
Sign him now! Add to the good momentum. Show us something, the team stepped up, now Isles mgmt must.
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Mike A. says:
Re-sign him now and get it over with before he tests the open market. I don’t want to hear about the drama. Moulson should not be signed at a discount. Although this looks like an AHL roster, he is playing in the NHL. Pay him like it you greedy bastards.
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AngryPete says:
ABSOLUTELY! which also exactly why it will NOT get done, lol
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Jim says:
Moulson won’t be resigned, count on it. Have you forgotten who runs this team?
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What should concern all of us is that, my guess, Wang and Snow did this rebuild in part to buy themselves a few years of low payroll until the arena situation was finally dealt with.
Here we are, our core is starting to come up for new deals, and the arena situation remains unsettled, and future revenue streams are unsettled. With the expected path in complete flux, it will be interesting to say the least how the Isles move forward from here. The Isles have yet to be in a situation where they MUST re-sign someone. No one they’ve lost since the summer of ’07, we’ve really missed.
So…its kind of a game of chicken. Are the “we’re keeping the payroll low so that we can sign our young guys when they come up for RFA and UFA” Islanders telling the truth? We’ll find out soon.
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rob76 says:
I agree with all you wrote but usually with this team and this owner logic is thrown out the window. I bet they trade him for a conditional 2nd round pick and Garth blames the arena situation
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rpchief2 says:
#99 stole my line..Wiznewski and Roloson were never going to be part of the future Moulson absolutey should be. We need to hold on to our scorers if others do not want to come here. Resign Moulson, Yes
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nyislanders93 says:
Great moves so far by Snow this year. A GM has to decide who is part of the core of this team to build around and who is not. Moulson should definitely be a part of it. 3-4 million is what he’s earned and he should be paid accordingly. A 3-4 year extension is the right move for the franchise.
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thepolishprince says:
Yes, management absolutely should give MM a 3 year extension. He is part of the core. But we all know it ain’t gonna happen.
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IslesRock says:
It would be yet another PR disaster if they cannot resign Moulson. I say it gets done.
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doc says:
In response to Barb @ #59… Tavares and Moulson are in no way Bossy and Trottier in the making. Boss and Trots were at 100 pts or well over 100 points every year they were together including their 1st season together in 77/78.
I think both Moulson and Tavares are good to very good and are growing into their roles… but Boss and Trots were superstars from the day they 1st laced up their skates as 19 and 20 year olds.
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Heres the real question. Can the isles pay moulson 3.5 million a year, and still play under the cap floor? Isles wont increase payroll, 90% of the fans who still go to games will go no matter what. They simply want somwthing to do on weekends. The fans who care about having nhl plsyers on the roster quit going last year.
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ny711ot says:
ditto tom 27 (145)
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Good times ahead! Rebuild starts to grow,Wang builds New Arena next to old coliseum,Isles be come contenders once again and the New Coliseum is filled with happy hockey fans Oh yea CB back in the New Barn where he belongs.
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Brother Rat says:
Moulson should absolutely be a part of this Isles rebirth, and he should be locked up for 3-4 yrs. But the only F we have signed past next year (2011-2012) is Trent Hunter–I hope that Garth can change that. Can Garth resign UFA Moulson and RFAs KO, Bailey, Grabner, Comeau, and Schremp, all this summer?? I hope so, but I’d wager not. Moulson should be someone we should try to retain at all costs. It’s hard to consider investing in buying a current player’s jersey when so many may be in their last year on LI.
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C.J. says:
Yay.
Reliable, goal-scoring LW’s are hard to come by in this league. He’s also still young and his bond w/JT is key.
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Pay the man.. this isn’t Chicago, or Pittsburgh, or Vancouver.. he’s earned and deserves his payday. AND,.. he has a connection from boyhood and now with the Isles to Tavares. Bet your bottom dollar Matt would like to make the Island his home for the next couple years. The Isles, as is customary it seems will probably find some silly way to make this NO BRAINER interesting in some way but, in the end, he got his shot with the Isles and now should get paid accordingly.. his body of work and dedication rightfully deserves it. GO ISLES !!
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MilburyRuinedMyLife says:
Absolutely, this is the type of guy you pay. Great guy with a great attitude who brings it every night and is best buddies with your franchise player. No brainer.
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jeff says:
If they don’t resign MM, they might as well trade JT now, before he follows out the door.
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Brian $ says:
3 years nothing more… Give him his fair value 3.5 sounds right. NO 5-YEAR DEALS!! if he’s still that good to the team in the 3rd year they can always extend him again, start thinking smart. who knows we might have kids that could knock him out in 3 years
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Ethan K says:
It is likely he will be resigned, and it’s the right move. I didn’t know he’s been one of the better left wingers in the whole league over the past year or so. If they resign him, next year might actually be a skilled young team with real competition for spots, especially if they make even a small splash in the free agency pool.
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robert(staten island) says:
Snow is seeing these salary numbers, and is getting antsy. Before you know it, Moulson will be traded. Hopefully not!!
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Dave H says:
This is a no brainer, sign him!
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Daryl says:
3.5M seems like he would be giving the team a small discount still. I think 3 yrs up to 4.5M yes, if he wants much more than that I dunno. 4 yr, 16 mill seems about right to me.
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doug f says:
3 year/$12 million should get it done. I would start negotiating now because if Moulson balks then they should look to trade him at the trade deadline.
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adeljason says:
100% agree!! id also like to lock up Schrempf
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IslesNation says:
Sign him up. He’s been good on a team that is short on talent, just like JT. 3.5-4 mil over 3 years is fair and wouldn’t hold this franchise back from bigger deals down the road.
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Paul says:
Extending him is the sensible move…
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Darren says:
If we are not going to resign these type of guys, there is no rebuild only lingering mediocrity, so this has to happen or what does this tell Bailey, Okposo and Tavares etc. This signing is important at many levels and will be a good litmus test for the sincerity of the organization.
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Charlie says:
I hope he wants to stay as much as everyone wants to sign him to an extension.
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Bob Bassen says:
Yep, cool.
If the Islanders get stuck having to pay premium pricing to keep/sign Moulson (and others for that matter…) then it’s their own fault for having so many disfunctional aspects to the Organization. -
peter debenedetto says:
Signing Matt will secure JT for years to come. Besides, he is the right guy for this organization. This would be crippling for Garth and the Country not to get this done now. Don’t wait it out.
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JimfromStJames says:
I say (5) years @ 3 mil, If they go for a cap cutting deal of some kind, the NHL will finally put an end to that!
They guy they really need to “re-sign” is CB!
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therain93--terriers fan says:
YAY — when was the last time the Islanders had a productive LW? Tonnelli?
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RJC74 says:
I hope Garth signs him, if not it would be Armageddon out around here
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SET says:
3 years at 3.5 million sounds fair but I am 95% sure that Charles Wang will not want to pay a player that much money. I see Moulson leaving as a free agent and as hard as this may to say but I can see him playing on the second line for the Rangers next year.
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Vlad from Brooklyn says:
They will have no choice but to lock him up long term: to many reasons.
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Spartiarti-RVC says:
Yes you resign but no more then 3-3.5mm for 3 to 4 per year. Not more. One must not forget what benefit of playing with guy like JT is like. When moulson was removed from playing with JT last season his production suffered. JT is even better this year, moulson and PA reaping the benefits.
Don’t compare moulson to a guy like sharp who helped win chi a cup last year.
Great guy and yes u extend just don’t get duimb and extend parenteau.
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Steve says:
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A big YAY. He’s the type of player we need, want, and would like more of.
Losing him would impact faith in management.
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NYI FAN says:
This will be a test for Islander Management. If they are truly serious in rebuilding, signing Moulson is the key. If they let him go, regardless of the offer, they are NOT serious about the rebuild & we can kiss this team good bye. Phase 2 of the rebuild should be re-signing the young guns; trading for a draft pick & giving Moulson away before signing him is the kiss of death for our team.
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I believe that the Islanders should keep Moulson. Just out of curiosity what could be be traded for. Could they get a top prospect and a high pick. If so I could see Snow trade him. What if he wants 4.5 million per year. I cut him off after 3.75 and I am not even sure hes worth that. He is a 50 point player.
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Agree 100%. For the mere fact that Tavares Like’s him I think it is a must. In the end he is one of 2 consistent scorers on this team. If we don’t sign him where are we going to get goals from???
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Pete says:
snowman will dump him for more draft picks like 3rd rounder.Of course sign him no matter what, but we are talking snow and wang never happen……How sad….
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bhockey47 says:
Botta, dead on with respect to Moulson. And I would sign him sooner than later…make him want to carry Islander pride.
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Bott’s, I agree on the 3-year term but I think the rate that you’ve written about (and what the quoted guy in the know speaks of) is way too much for someone like Moulson. Snowy has never been one to Overpay and I don’t think he will in this instance either. I’m thinking more like 1.6/year for each of the 3, NO WAY more than 2 Million per year….He’s a late bloomer who won’t ever become any of those other guys…..
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michael says:
this deal should be done ASAP! lock him up, because other teams will be looking to get him. One of the most underated players in the NHL. The numbers don’t lie!
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McLovin21 says:
They should, but I have a feeling that cheapskate charlie isnt going to want to pay him, and we will lose yet another good player.
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billy says:
hey CB, i dont think we have to be desperate with moulson and give him 3.5 per. Look at the long term contracts they’ve been able to give neilsen,a-mac, and hunter. At least Neilsen could’ve said “screw you, im not signing long term here”, but he did and he’s far more valuable imo than moulson is. A 3 year deal that increases each year would be fine ex 2.75,3.25.3.75. If this team is going to build around character, then i expect a guy like Moulson to honor this team that gave him the time of day.
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joe says:
I say if he can score and continues to produce, pay the man!!
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D in BIG D says:
The question is not what other teams value MM @ but rather how important he is to Isles.Lock him up 3yrs min @ around 3mil+/-.This will send positive message to younger players.If they do not resign him what will be the message then?
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Jerky says:
Three years for $3.0-$3.5m per year is about right. Any longer than 3 years probably isn’t smart and anything less is disrespectful to MM. I prefer they wait till the season is over to get this done. Has anyone else noticed that every time the Isles sign someone mid-season, they seem to immediately get injured?
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no reason to sign contract extenstion now..let him sign after the season..though, they could still talk during the season..
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Isles fan in Fla says:
It will likely take more than 3.5 to get him. 4.5 area is about right. A 27 yr old back to back 30 goal scorer in his first two full seasons on a last place team goes for more than 3.5. I think he could sign prior to July but it would have to be about 3-4 yrs @ 4.5 per. Pay him, you are not going to replace that goal production any cheaper than that.
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Pete says:
3 Years sounds extremely reasonable. Why get outside trash when you can reach the cap floor by signing Moulson. You’ll keep a productive fan favorite and be closer to the floor to help with the teams economic woes. This is a no-brainer. I think the team wants him back and three years isn’t something that would be a dangerous contract in terms of length.
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jim says:
He’s in his prime, He’s part of the #1 line with JT and PA, if this rebuild is happening there should be no question in resigning him. Stability now is what we need with the young players. Things are starting to come together with 3 nice lines all playing well. Its time for management to put up or shut up. Lock the young kids up already!
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19 Isle in NJ 22 says:
Bingo!!! Now you’re talking CB.
I think $3.5M for 3 years is more than fair. Perhaps even a 5 year $15M long term deal.
That agent is correct… considering the building situation and the Isles’ record the last few years Matt doesn’t owe the Isles a discount. He earned it.
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The Pork Chop Express says:
I agree MM should be locked up with an extension. 3-5 five years works however it should be in 2.5-3 million range. MM is not like those players listed above. He is not at that level. Those players are game changers who can take over the game when ever they are on the ice. They score more points then games. MM is not. He is showing that he has the talent to be solid goal scorer but not a game changer. MM strength is between the slot and the goal crease. In order for him to be effective the puck needs get there. If he improves his all around game (defense/skating/forecheck) then perhaps he can develop into that player. Players who can do that should be paid at 5 million- 8 million. Patrick Sharp makes 4 million a year and I believe MM is in the tier right below him. Remember according to the plan we are going to have alot of young skilled talent who will be making money at the same age so you need to have enough to spread to the around.
Like I said MM needs to be locked up because winning teams have players like him. He is a solid player for us and this will show commitment from the organization to the players and to the fans. If they can’t lock him up by trade deadline he will probably be traded.
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as i said last night after their big win in calgary, this will show if wang/snow are serious or if things will continue to be a snow job. of course he should be signed to a 3 yr. contract. hopefully this will also be a good sign for the future of j.t. with the isles. it is up to wang what message he wants to send to the fans. if moulson is traded for the usual 2 nd. round draft pick and doug weight is signed just to reach the bottom of the cap floor, then i wouldnt care if wang moved the team to china.
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Cary says:
MM is a very significant signing – definitely our most consistent good player over the last 2 seasons. Maybe the ONLY consistent good player we’ve had besides Rolo in that time span.
I’d start at 3 years $9 mil but would do 5 years at $4 mil per or even slightly more if that’s what it took. We’ve got the room!!!!!
Get ‘er done!!!!!!!!!!
100% agreed.